Top 25 talk

[Titan Q]

Talismanred.com has North Central #1.  Looks like these records are updated through last night, which is pretty impressive.

http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/byrate4.txt

1  North Central     11  0   692
2  Hope (MI)         13  0   668
3  Illinois Weslyn   11  1   651
4  Wittenberg        12  1   633
5  Occidental         9  1   625
6  Lawrence           9  0   621
7  Wooster           12  1   619
8  New York Univ.    11  0   613
9  Hampden-Sydney    10  0   604
10  Hamilton           8  0   602
11  Baldwin-Wallace   11  2   602
12  Wilmington (OH)   12  1   600
13  Carnegie-Mellon   11  1   596
14  Albion            11  1   595
15  Puget Sound       10  2   585
16  Amherst            9  1   584
17  Bluffton          11  1   583
18  Ohio Northern      9  3   580
19   Wis.-Whitewater   10  2   580
20  Wis.-LaCrosse     12  2   579
21  Augustana (IL)    12  1   575
22  Tufts              9  2   572
23  Worcester Tech    10  1   569
24  Mississippi Col.  10  1   568
25  Carroll            8  1   567
      Transylvania      11  2   567
      Wis.-Stout        11  3   567

[patcummings]

Wow...if Talismanred (not sure who that is anyway) has NYU #8...wow...what a complete and utter joke.  That, to me, is more haughty than North Central, who could certainly merit some top billing.  The competition NYU has faced is nowhere near that of tens of schools under it...

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wow...if Talismanred (not sure who that is anyway) has NYU #8...wow...what a complete and utter joke.  That, to me, is more haughty than North Central, who could certainly merit some top billing.  The competition NYU has faced is nowhere near that of tens of schools under it...

Prior to this week, anyway!

Yeah, there are a number of howlers there - Oxy will be #24-28, I predict, not #5.  And look at #14-16!

If you scroll down the full list from the link, you'll find some teams that are probably 100 or more slots out of where they belong.

Maybe there is a reason that I, too, have never heard of Talismanred!

[njlincolnlion]

I still can't believe Lincoln lost to Lebanon Valley  .  This loss is really gonna hurt. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Here is my rundown as of Sunday:

1.   IWU (11-1, 1-1) home loss to North Central, win at Carthage
2.   Wittenberg (12-1, 3-1) wins over Kenyon and at Oberlin
3.   Wooster (12-1, 4-0) neutral win over New Jersey, win at Wash & Jeff
4.   Amherst (9-1) loss at Occidental, win over Williams
5.   Albion (11-1, 2-0) wins at Adrian and vs Tri-State
6.   Hope (13-0, 2-0) wins over Kalamazoo and at Olivet
7.   Lawrence (9-0, 3-0) win over Ripon
8.   Puget Sound (10-2, 4-0) wins over Pacific Lutheran and George Fox
9.   WPI (10-1, 1-1) win at Babson, home loss to Clark
10. Stout (11-3, 4-2) home loss to La-Crosse, road loss to Steven's Point (2OT)
11. York (11-1, 1-1) wins over Brockport State, Lebanon Valley and Messiah
12. Baldwin-Wallace (11-2, 5-1) win at Mount Union, home loss to Wilmington
13. Augustana (12-1, 2-0) wins at North Park and over #16 Elmhurst
14. Wartburg (9-2, 2-1) loss at Loras, win at Cornell
15. Hampden-Sydney (10-0, 4-0) win at Bridgewater
16. Elmhurst (8-5, 0-2) home loss to Millikin, loss at #13 Augustana
17. Randolph-Macon (12-2, 7-0) wins at Bridgewater and over Guilford and Emory & Henry
18. Rochester (8-3, 1-2) win at Rochester Tech, loss at NYU, win at Brandeis
19. Carnegie Mellon (12-1, 3-0) wins at Brandeis and at NYU (2OT)
20. St. John Fisher (8-2, 2-0) wins at Cazenovia, Utica and Hartwick
21. Lincoln (14-4) wins at Franklin & Marshall, neutral win over Messiah and a neutral loss to Lebanon Valley
22. Ohio Northern (9-3, 4-2) home loss to Wilmington, win over Captial
23. Mississippi College (10-1, 7-1) wins at Texas Lutheran and Schreiner
24. Hanover (8-5, 1-1) win over Franklin, home loss to #25 Bluffton
25. Bluffton (12-1, 2-0) wins over Manchester and at #24 Hanover

[PowerBall]

I can see CMU making a jump in the Top 15 but NYU has yet to recieve a vote and I don't think one win over Rochester will get them many unless UR donates them over to a fellow UAA member. Not happening.

[bouttime]

I can see CMU making a jump in the Top 15 but NYU has yet to recieve a vote and I don't think one win over Rochester will get them many unless UR donates them over to a fellow UAA member. Not happening.

I completly agree with this. After its second loss it conference Rochester will drop out of the top 25. After going 1-1 on the season against real opponets NYU will get some votes but will not make the top 25.

[hugenerd]

One correction to Hoops Fan's list, Rochester's loss was not at home, it was at NYU.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think NYU has a shot at getting in.  They beat Rochester and took Mellon to double OT.  Their schedule hasn't been that tough, but I think they deserve a spot.  We'll see how many voters actually agree with me.

[bouttime]

Only 4 of NYU's 11 wins are against teams with winning records. Two of their wins were against 2-6 Polytecnic. I think these facts shows that NYU hardly merits being included in the top 25

[TheFence]

I can't believe I'm lobbying for NYU, but 11-1 is 11-1 no matter who you play.  Yes it's a week schedule, but a decisive win over Rochester is huge and taking CMU to 2 OTs is big as well.  Again Top 5 Wooster only beat Rochester by 1 so that should show you how good a win that was for the Violets. A good week-end for NYU should get them in.  If not I'm sure NYU will prove tough throughout the very tough UAA this year and earn it's merit at some time down the line

Time will tell.

[Pat Coleman]

I can't believe I'm lobbying for NYU, but 11-1 is 11-1 no matter who you play.

Actually, no, it's not.

[David Collinge]

Again Top 5 Wooster only beat Rochester by 1 [...]

I believe you are thinking of "Top 5 Wittenberg" (soon, presumably, to be "Top 1 Wittenberg.")  Mistaking Wooster and Wittenberg won't increase your life expectancy in Wooster or Springfield, Ohio. 

[ScotsFan]

Again Top 5 Wooster only beat Rochester by 1 so that should show you how good a win that was for the Violets.

It was Wittenberg and yes, they only beat them by one, but it was the 2nd game of the season for Witt and it was at Rochester.  Yes, NYU beat Rochester convincingly, but it was at NYU, not at Rochester.

[David Collinge]

New top 25 is out:
1. Wittenberg
2. Hope
3. Wooster
4. Albion....

...hmm.  I think I see a trend here!