Top 25 talk

[Hugenerd]

According to the release, Guilford is tied for first and second in the south region. 

[Hugenerd]

MIT loses their second d3 game of the season, to the same team they lost their first to.  Wheaton shot 10-15 from 3 and 24-27 en route to the 84-77 win.  It was a 2 point game under a minute left but Wheaton made their FTs to win.  I am sure MIT will fall in the polls pretty hard next week.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Sounds like MIT has the same problems with Wheaton that UWSP has with UWW... sometimes a team just has your number thanks especially to match-ups!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Sounds like MIT has the same problems with Wheaton that UWSP has with UWW... sometimes a team just has your number thanks especially to match-ups!

Yeah, except the bubble teams will really have to be worried about MIT losing to Wheaton a third time, whereas both Whitewater and Point are both going to get in anyway.

[John Gleich]

Sounds like MIT has the same problems with Wheaton that UWSP has with UWW... sometimes a team just has your number thanks especially to match-ups!

True, but both Point/WW games went down to the wire... in Whitewater, the game was in overtime, and the lead changed hands in the last 30 seconds of the game in Point.

[Hugenerd]

Sounds like MIT has the same problems with Wheaton that UWSP has with UWW... sometimes a team just has your number thanks especially to match-ups!

True, but both Point/WW games went down to the wire... in Whitewater, the game was in overtime, and the lead changed hands in the last 30 seconds of the game in Point.

Same thing was true in the Wheaton MIT games.  It was a 2 point game with 36 seconds to play tonight and MIT had a shot to tie it in the first meeting (at the buzzer).

[John Gleich]

Sounds like MIT has the same problems with Wheaton that UWSP has with UWW... sometimes a team just has your number thanks especially to match-ups!

True, but both Point/WW games went down to the wire... in Whitewater, the game was in overtime, and the lead changed hands in the last 30 seconds of the game in Point.

Same thing was true in the Wheaton MIT games.  It was a 2 point game with 36 seconds to play tonight and MIT had a shot to tie it in the first meeting (at the buzzer).

I wasn't discounting the fact that Wheaton/MIT went down to the wire...  but the phrase "has their number" usually implies that team A beat team B handily... that wasn't the case for UWSP/Whitewater, and it also sounds like it wasn't the case for Wheaton/MIT.  I think the difference is that SP is 20-3 and Whitewater is 19-4, and MIT is 21-3 and Wheaton is 9-16.  I think the "has their number" line works more in the second case than the first one, 'cause it doesn't seem like MIT and Wheaton are the same caliber of team.

[Hugenerd]

Sounds like MIT has the same problems with Wheaton that UWSP has with UWW... sometimes a team just has your number thanks especially to match-ups!

True, but both Point/WW games went down to the wire... in Whitewater, the game was in overtime, and the lead changed hands in the last 30 seconds of the game in Point.

Same thing was true in the Wheaton MIT games.  It was a 2 point game with 36 seconds to play tonight and MIT had a shot to tie it in the first meeting (at the buzzer).

I wasn't discounting the fact that Wheaton/MIT went down to the wire...  but the phrase "has their number" usually implies that team A beat team B handily... that wasn't the case for UWSP/Whitewater, and it also sounds like it wasn't the case for Wheaton/MIT.  I think the difference is that SP is 20-3 and Whitewater is 19-4, and MIT is 21-3 and Wheaton is 9-16.  I think the "has their number" line works more in the second case than the first one, 'cause it doesn't seem like MIT and Wheaton are the same caliber of team.

I agree with you that Whitewater is a "better" loss than Wheaton, given their respective records.  No argument there.  

Wheaton (MA) just seems to shoot unbelievable every time the two teams play.  They were 10-19 in the first meeting (scoring half their points behind the arc) and tonight they were 10-16 (and were additionally 24-27 from the line, outscoring MIT by 19 at the line).  The two teams could also meet in the semifinals of the NEWMAC tourney, would be interesting.

[Pat Coleman]

According to the release, Guilford is tied for first and second in the south region. 

That's why we don't link out to the NCAA for this stuff.

[John Gleich]

#5 UWSP runs away from UW Platteville 78-56 after overcoming 60% Pioneer shooting in the first half and just a 42-36 halftime lead.

#9 Whitewater leads by as many as 23 and hang on to a 62-50 win over UW Oshkosh.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

OK - you all took my line way to seriously... I was just indicating that sometimes a team struggles against one other team, no matter show talented they are. MIT seems to struggle or at least not get the job done against Wheaton this year... same goes for UWSP and UWW... no matter the point spread. That's all... nothing more... "has their number" in my mind does not mean dominating... just means they seem to cause the other team to struggle.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared--Midweek Report

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	609	Washington U.	20-2	02/19 vs. Case Western Reserve; 02/21 vs. Carnegie Mellon
#2	603	Williams	23-1	02/20 vs. Wesleyan
#3	563	St. Thomas	22-2	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 75-51; 02/20 at Hamline
#4	528	Guilford	22-2	def. Washington and Lee, 91-80; def. Emory and Henry, 94-65; 02/20 at Randolph
#5	511	UW-Stevens Point	21-3	def. UW-Platteville, 78-56; 02/20 at UW-La Crosse
#6	449	Middlebury	22-2	def. Green Mountain, 76-57; 02/20 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#7	430	Whitworth	22-2	def. Whitman, 70-57; 02/20 at Linfield
#8	428	William Paterson	23-2	LOST at Rutgers-Newark, 46-55; def. New Jersey City, 66-55
#9	423	UW-Whitewater	20-4	def. UW-Oshkosh, 62-50; 02/20 vs. UW-Superior
#10	404	Virginia Wesleyan	20-4	LOST at #12 Eastern Mennonite, 68-88; 02/20 at Hampden-Sydney
#11	378	MIT	21-3	LOST at Wheaton (Mass.), 77-84; 02/20 at Springfield
#12	345	Eastern Mennonite	20-3	def. #10 Virginia Wesleyan, 88-68; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 86-81; 02/20 vs. Washington and Lee
#13	330	Chapman	22-2	02/19 at West Coast Baptist
#14	296	St. Norbert	20-2	02/20 at Carroll
#15	282	Franklin and Marshall	20-4	LOST to Johns Hopkins, 45-46; 02/20 vs. Dickinson
#16	274	Randolph-Macon	20-5	def. Lynchburg, 84-62; LOST to Hampden-Sydney, 61-66
#17	233	St. Mary's (Md.)	20-3	def. Wesley, 75-73; def. Gallaudet, 92-69; 02/20 vs. York (Pa.); 02/21 at Mary Washington
#18	193	Anderson	21-3	def. Manchester, 83-64; 02/20 at Hanover
#19	183	Texas-Dallas	19-4	def. Texas-Tyler, 63-62; 02/18 vs. East Texas Baptist; 02/20 vs. LeTourneau
#20	129	Carthage	19-5	def. North Park, 61-55; 02/20 at Millikin
#21	101	Wooster	19-5	def. Ohio Wesleyan, 94-78; 02/20 at Earlham
#22	90	Cabrini	21-2	def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 93-86; 02/18 vs. Centenary; 02/20 at Neumann
#23	75	St. John Fisher	20-4	def. Nazareth, 64-58; 02/19 vs. Utica
#24	57	Medaille	21-3	LOST to Pitt-Bradford, 63-79; 02/20 at Pitt-Greensburg
#25	49	John Carroll	18-5	def. Heidelberg, 95-91; 02/20 vs. Ohio Northern

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	45	Brandeis	17-5	02/19 at Rochester; 02/21 at Emory
#27	31	Illinois Wesleyan	19-5	def. Augustana, 62-59; 02/20 at North Park
#28	24	Wittenberg	18-6	LOST to Wabash, 69-72; 02/20 at Oberlin
#29	18	Central	20-4	def. Coe, 74-67; 02/20 vs. Cornell
#30	17	Merchant Marine	20-4	02/20 at Drew
#31	8	Defiance	19-5	def. Bluffton, 70-60; 02/20 at Franklin
#32	5	Hope	17-7	LOST at Adrian, 68-73; 02/20 vs. Trine
T#33	4	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	19-4	def. Whittier, 67-54; 02/20 vs. Pomona-Pitzer
T#33	4	Gordon	20-4	def. University of New England, 64-61; 02/20 vs. Salve Regina
T#33	4	Wheaton (Ill.)	17-7	def. Millikin, 65-61; 02/20 at Elmhurst
#36	2	SUNY-Old Westbury	18-6	def. Polytechnic, 75-66; 02/20 vs. Sage

[Gregory Sager]

Wash U wins at home over Case by three points to take the UAA title and Pool A bid. Case had the ball underneath the Wash U basket with 5.6 seconds left, down by two, with a chance to win or tie -- and Bryan Erce threw away an inbounds pass. The Spartans then missed a 35-footer at the buzzer that would've tied it.

[Hugenerd]

MIT just clinched the NEWMAC regular season crown, taking down Springfield on the road.  It was a real ugly (lots of fouls), defensive game, but I guess that is what you would expect with the conference championship on the line.  Noel Hollingsworth had 15 points and 15 boards for MIT, while 5th year senior Billy Johnson had 20 points.  MIT earns a bye in the first ournd in the NEWMAC tourney and will host the semifinals and finals next weekend.  Wheaton secured a top 5 finish with their win, and could face MIT in the semis next Satuday if the fall into that #4/#5 matchup and win (they could finish #3 after tiebreakers if Clark beats WPI today).

Update: #4 Wheaton (MA) will host #5 Clark on Wednesday.  The winner will play at MIT next Saturday.

[Ralph Turner]

Waiting on Darryl Nester's wrap-up before I submit my posters' poll.