Top 25 talk

[RustCollege]

Rust College,
Where can one find the box scores and other statistics for your basketball team?
Thanks.

go to NCAA.org

[John Gleich]

A top 20 without a WIAC school seems both odd and improbable.

Jerrel Harris and Johnny Johnston were recruited away from the UWSP program by outgoing assistant Lance Randall, who is now the head coach at D-II St. Leo in Florida.  Randall decided to build his program by pulling players away from others... He also drew away Marcus Ruh from Eau Claire... though that was much less disconcerting... Eau Claire has a new coach and hasn't had much success in the last decade.  But 6 of his 14 players were on different college rosters last year (not counting juco kids).

Lance Randall has moved around a lot as a coach. Here's the press release from St Leo: http://cnewspubs.com/wp/?p=5917. Too bad he had to take UWSP players with him.

... Don't we know it.  I gave him the benefit for the doubt when he got hired... he said the right things to the paper in terms of wanting to settle down, etc... but then he applied for the UW Superior job after his first season.

It became clear that he was who we thought he was at that point.

But I honestly wonder at what point he started whispering in players' ears about jumping ship with him.

Point had a great year last year... but I wonder what could have been without that division.

[y_jack_lok]

I understand the sos when it come to making the playoffs and getting ranked its just we get no respect we have one of the best player in D3 and he is not an All American or a all south region player   

Hopefan has seen Markeith Wilson play. I would respect his judgment regarding Wilson's talent and whether he merits being an All-Region player.

[hopefan]

I understand the sos when it come to making the playoffs and getting ranked its just we get no respect we have one of the best player in D3 and he is not an All American or a all south region player

Rust, you use the no respect line, but the Athletic Dept needs to line up more D3 schools... I know the situation has improved recently, but... I'm not looking at a map, but why aren't there games with Emory, Ogelthorpe, Spalding, Centre, Louisiana College,or a second game with Milsaps, or a second game with Mississippi, or another trip to St Louis to play Fontbonne or Greenville or Westminster... I know this involves more travel and some fast talking scheduling, but if the program wants recognition in D3, it has to play D3 teams. Why not be in the GSAC and get Maryville, Huntindon, LaGrange, and Covenant twice, or be in the SCAC or the ASC?   I'm sure there are reasons related to number of sports sponsered etc, but.....

[KnightSlappy]

I understand the sos when it come to making the playoffs and getting ranked its just we get no respect we have one of the best player in D3 and he is not an All American or a all south region player

Rust, you use the no respect line, but the Athletic Dept needs to line up more D3 schools... I know the situation has improved recently, but... I'm not looking at a map, but why aren't there games with Emory, Ogelthorpe, Spalding, Centre, Louisiana College,or a second game with Milsaps, or a second game with Mississippi, or another trip to St Louis to play Fontbonne or Greenville or Westminster... I know this involves more travel and some fast talking scheduling, but if the program wants recognition in D3, it has to play D3 teams. Why not be in the GSAC and get Maryville, Huntindon, LaGrange, and Covenant twice, or be in the SCAC or the ASC?   I'm sure there are reasons related to number of sports sponsered etc, but.....

But not just playing D3 teams, you need to build the reputation of playing and beating GOOD D3 teams.

There are over 400 D3 teams, so the Top 25 represents the top 6% -- 94% of all teams are unranked!. You have to be consistently beating the best of the best to get in there.

My opinion on Rust (admittedly having never seen them play) is that they are to be taken very seriously as a potentially tough opponent (going back to last year, they probably would have made the tournament had there been a second Pool B bid), but they didn't do enough on the floor to just be handed a top 25 spot at the start of this year.

[nescac1]

RustCollege, just curious, how many of the 25 pre-season all-Americans has Markeith ever played against?  How many of those players have YOU ever seen play in person?  Or for that matter, on video?  I certainly couldn't have appreciated how good, say, Ian Franks of Wooster truly was until I got to see him in person last year.  It's really easy to overestimate the excellence of guys you watch every day until you have a chance to watch the best in the country go head-to-head, and until Rust plays SOMEONE with an elite talent, there is no way to compare Markeith to the guys who have played against tougher competition.  Remember, the folks who put these teams together have combined to see more D-3 players that probably anyone else in the country. 

[RustCollege]

RustCollege, just curious, how many of the 25 pre-season all-Americans has Markeith ever played against?  How many of those players have YOU ever seen play in person?  Or for that matter, on video?  I certainly couldn't have appreciated how good, say, Ian Franks of Wooster truly was until I got to see him in person last year.  It's really easy to overestimate the excellence of guys you watch every day until you have a chance to watch the best in the country go head-to-head, and until Rust plays SOMEONE with an elite talent, there is no way to compare Markeith to the guys who have played against tougher competition.  Remember, the folks who put these teams together have combined to see more D-3 players that probably anyone else in the country.

I keep up with alot of them players and no disrespect but he is better then alot of them and at 6'4 he is hard to stop can shoot from deep and post up guard

[RustCollege]

I understand the sos when it come to making the playoffs and getting ranked its just we get no respect we have one of the best player in D3 and he is not an All American or a all south region player

Rust, you use the no respect line, but the Athletic Dept needs to line up more D3 schools... I know the situation has improved recently, but... I'm not looking at a map, but why aren't there games with Emory, Ogelthorpe, Spalding, Centre, Louisiana College,or a second game with Milsaps, or a second game with Mississippi, or another trip to St Louis to play Fontbonne or Greenville or Westminster... I know this involves more travel and some fast talking scheduling, but if the program wants recognition in D3, it has to play D3 teams. Why not be in the GSAC and get Maryville, Huntindon, LaGrange, and Covenant twice, or be in the SCAC or the ASC?   I'm sure there are reasons related to number of sports sponsered etc, but.....

what's up my friend...well I'm just gone say some of them won't play us for reason you should ask them

[y_jack_lok]

RustCollege, just curious, how many of the 25 pre-season all-Americans has Markeith ever played against?  How many of those players have YOU ever seen play in person?  Or for that matter, on video?  I certainly couldn't have appreciated how good, say, Ian Franks of Wooster truly was until I got to see him in person last year.  It's really easy to overestimate the excellence of guys you watch every day until you have a chance to watch the best in the country go head-to-head, and until Rust plays SOMEONE with an elite talent, there is no way to compare Markeith to the guys who have played against tougher competition.  Remember, the folks who put these teams together have combined to see more D-3 players that probably anyone else in the country.

I keep up with alot of them players and no disrespect but he is better then alot of them and at 6'4 he is hard to stop can shoot from deep and post up guard

By "...keep up with alot of them players..." do you mean you've seen them play either on film or in person, or you just check out their stats? I will say this for Markeith Wilson, in looking at the box score of Rust's game against Webster last season he scored 31 including 6 of 9 two pointers, 6 of 11 3 pointers (that's 12 of 20 total) and 1 of 2 free throws. And Webster was a good team last year -- beat Wash U, lost to Illinois Wesleyan by 4. I did not see the game against Rust, however. Still looking for hopefan to weigh in on how good he thinks Wilson is. Perhaps he doesn't want to comment for diplomatic reasons, which I would understand.

[mass_d3fan]

RC

No disrespect, but there are players puting put more impressive numbers....

Did he have any games near what Lamonte Thomas did last year in the GNAC semi-finals?

40 points on 11-15 from the field and 18 of 20 FTs, 6 boards and 20 Assists!

Thomas is a 6'2" guard and he averaged 30 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 6.1 apg, 52% from the field and 42% beyond the arc. Top scorer in the country and led his team to 21 wins, including a 1st round victory in the NCAAs.

GNAC Title game on the road - 33 pts, 6 assists and 7 boards
In the tournament - 43 pts, 9 assists, 7 boards in the 1st round
                    28 pts, 4 assists, 6 boards in the 2nd round

All that = All-American!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

RC

No disrespect, but there are players puting put more impressive numbers....

Did he have any games near what Lamonte Thomas did last year in the GNAC semi-finals?

40 points on 11-15 from the field and 18 of 20 FTs, 6 boards and 20 Assists!

Thomas is a 6'2" guard and he averaged 30 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 6.1 apg, 52% from the field and 42% beyond the arc. Top scorer in the country and led his team to 21 wins, including a 1st round victory in the NCAAs.

GNAC Title game on the road - 33 pts, 6 assists and 7 boards
In the tournament - 43 pts, 9 assists, 7 boards in the 1st round
                    28 pts, 4 assists, 6 boards in the 2nd round

All that = All-American!

And he's practically triple-teamed through most games.

[RustCollege]

RC

No disrespect, but there are players puting put more impressive numbers....

Did he have any games near what Lamonte Thomas did last year in the GNAC semi-finals?

40 points on 11-15 from the field and 18 of 20 FTs, 6 boards and 20 Assists!

Thomas is a 6'2" guard and he averaged 30 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 6.1 apg, 52% from the field and 42% beyond the arc. Top scorer in the country and led his team to 21 wins, including a 1st round victory in the NCAAs.

GNAC Title game on the road - 33 pts, 6 assists and 7 boards
In the tournament - 43 pts, 9 assists, 7 boards in the 1st round
                    28 pts, 4 assists, 6 boards in the 2nd round

All that = All-American!

OK i will match you vs HENDRIX UNIVERSITY 11/30/10 Markeith Wilson had 20 pts on 7-12 shooting and 4-7 on 3's 10 rebounds all off the bench
vs University of Dallas 12-03-10 25pts 11 rebounds off the bench
vs WEBSTER UNIVERSITY 12/11/10 31 pts 5 rebounds off the bench
vs Piedmont College    01/09/11 30 pts 5 rebounds off the bench
and i can keep going with this so he is just as good as your boy

[Pat Coleman]

None of those is against an NCAA Tournament team.

[smedindy]

And it's not solely about stats, it's about how his contribution helps his team win. Yes, you can put up gaudy stats. But its how you accumulate those numbers and in what context you do it in. All-Americans get their teammates involved, and take charge at the end of the game on both ends of the court.

[John Gleich]

Time to dust this off again...

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