Top 25 talk

[Mugsy]

Wheaton (Ill.) moves to 5-0 by beating U. of Chicago 76-54.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	610	Augustana	4-0	def. St. Ambrose, 83-75; 12/02 vs. Wisconsin Lutheran; 12/03 at TBD
#2	587	Middlebury	5-0	def. Southern Vermont, 107-51
#3	582	Amherst	4-0	def. Lasell, 94-61; 12/02 at Springfield; 12/03 vs. Westfield State
#4	531	Marietta	4-0	def. #17 Wittenberg, 87-63; 12/03 at Baldwin-Wallace
#5	479	Virginia Wesleyan	3-1	def. #34 Randolph-Macon, 63-60; 12/03 at Emory and Henry; 12/04 at T#48 North Carolina Wesleyan
#6	462	Wooster	4-0	def. Kenyon, 84-68; 12/03 at Adrian
#7	425	Williams	4-1	def. RPI, 91-84; 12/03 vs. SUNY-Purchase; 12/04 at TBA
#8	423	Whitworth	4-0	12/02 vs. Lewis and Clark; 12/03 vs. George Fox
#9	408	MIT	6-0	def. Emerson, 89-57; 12/01 at Newbury; 12/03 vs. Lesley
#10	384	Emory	6-0	def. LaGrange, 89-70; 12/03 vs. Covenant
#11	285	Cabrini	4-0	def. Neumann, 87-77; def. Philadelphia Bible, 82-66; 12/03 vs. Keystone
#12	284	Rochester	5-1	def. Geneseo State, 72-60; 12/02 vs. Nazareth; 12/03 at TBD
#13	276	Wheaton (Ill.)	5-0	def. T#51 Chicago, 76-54; 12/02 vs. T#27 Hope; 12/03 at Calvin
#14	254	Franklin and Marshall	6-0	def. Lancaster Bible, 57-40; def. Ursinus, 70-52; 12/03 vs. McDaniel
#15	237	Mary Hardin-Baylor	3-0	def. East Texas Baptist, 80-71; 12/01 at LeTourneau; 12/03 at Texas-Tyler
#16	226	Buffalo State	3-0	def. Houghton, 89-74; 12/02 at Oneonta State; 12/03 at New Paltz State
#17	196	Wittenberg	1-2	LOST at #4 Marietta, 63-87; 12/03 vs. Oberlin
#18	160	WPI	4-0	12/01 at Lasell; 12/03 at Becker
#19	151	Birmingham-Southern	5-0	def. Huntingdon, 93-75; 12/03 at Oglethorpe
#20	127	Salisbury	4-1	LOST at Hood, 55-67; 12/02 vs. John Jay; 12/03 vs. TBD
#21	109	St. Thomas	4-1	def. St. Olaf, 72-56; 12/03 vs. Gustavus Adolphus
#22	107	Puget Sound	5-0	12/02 at Pacific; 12/03 at Willamette
#23	93	UW-Stevens Point	4-1	12/03 vs. UW-Superior
#24	77	UW-Whitewater	5-0	def. T#38 Illinois Wesleyan, 65-53; 12/03 vs. UW-Stout
#25	75	UW-River Falls	4-2	12/03 at UW-Platteville

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	58	Wabash	5-0	def. Rose-Hulman, 58-44; 12/03 at Denison
T#27	47	Hope	4-1	LOST at Western Mich., 58-80; 12/02 at #13 Wheaton (Ill.); 12/03 at Carthage
T#27	47	Rhode Island College	6-0	def. Johnson and Wales, 89-62; 12/03 at Plymouth State
T#27	47	Ramapo	5-2	def. Scranton, 86-82; LOST at #31 William Paterson, 71-82; 12/03 vs. Kean
#30	44	Texas-Dallas	5-0	def. Sul Ross State, 64-49; 12/01 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 12/03 vs. McMurry
#31	43	William Paterson	6-0	def. T#27 Ramapo, 82-71; 12/03 vs. Skidmore
#32	42	Oswego State	3-1	12/02 vs. Potsdam State; 12/03 vs. Plattsburgh State
#33	36	Salem State	4-1	12/01 at Plymouth State; 12/03 vs. Brandeis; 12/04 vs. TBA
#34	31	Randolph-Macon	4-2	LOST at #5 Virginia Wesleyan, 60-63; 12/03 vs. Eastern Mennonite
#35	25	Edgewood	6-0	def. Marian, 81-72; 12/03 at Concordia (Ill.)
#36	24	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	5-0	12/03 vs. Master's
#37	21	St. Mary's (Md.)	3-2	12/01 at Christopher Newport; 12/03 vs. Stevenson
T#38	12	Concordia (Wis.)	4-1	def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 89-68; 12/01 vs. Silver Lake; 12/03 at Benedictine
T#38	12	Grinnell	4-0	12/02 vs. St. Norbert; 12/03 vs. T#48 Ripon
T#38	12	Hartwick	5-0	12/01 at Keuka; 12/03 at Morrisville State
T#38	12	Illinois Wesleyan	4-2	LOST at #24 UW-Whitewater, 53-65; 12/03 vs. Webster
T#42	11	Mary Washington	5-1	def. Stevenson, 63-53; 12/03 vs. Frostburg State
T#42	11	Western Connecticut	5-1	def. T#51 Trinity (Conn.), 74-68; 12/03 at Mass-Boston
#44	10	New Jersey City	4-0	12/03 vs. Rowan
T#45	6	Transylvania	3-0	def. Thomas More, 85-80; 12/03 vs. Anderson
T#45	6	Washington U.	3-2	12/02 vs. Whittier; 12/03 vs. TBA
#47	5	Centre	3-2	12/02 at Millsaps; 12/04 at Rhodes
T#48	4	North Carolina Wesleyan	5-2	def. Guilford, 65-61; 12/04 vs. #5 Virginia Wesleyan
T#48	4	Ripon	3-0	12/02 at Knox; 12/03 at T#38 Grinnell
#50	3	Albright	3-1	LOST to Lycoming, 82-84; 12/03 at Widener
T#51	1	Chicago	4-2	LOST at #13 Wheaton (Ill.), 54-76; 12/03 vs. Kalamazoo
T#51	1	Hobart	4-0	def. St. John Fisher, 83-58; 12/02 vs. Brockport State; 12/03 at TBD
T#51	1	Keene State	4-1	LOST at Springfield, 79-85; 12/03 vs. Mass-Dartmouth
T#51	1	Trinity (Conn.)	4-2	LOST to T#42 Western Connecticut, 68-74; 12/03 vs. Newbury

[Ralph Turner]

I like UT-Dallas as a Top 30 team.  However, the "winner" of the series this weekend, UTD hosting Hardin-Simmons and then McMurry should be the holder of that Top 30 slot.

All 3 schools are excellent teams.

McMurry and HSU are favorites (with UMHB) in the ASC West.  UT-Dallas is the favorite in the ASC-East.

[magicman]

Tonight's scoreboard shows #16 Buffalo State losing to Oneonta by a 65-61 score. That is incorrect as that's a score from the women's game. I'm assuming someone at Oneonta posted it on the wrong board.

The Buffalo State men's team had a nailbiter but managed to win their game over Oneonta 80-76. Buffalo State's All American candidate 6'0" guard Jake Simmons had 27 pts on 9x14 fg, 5x7 3's, 4x4 ft, with 4 steals, 5 rebounds, and 2 blocks. If he puts up stats close to that tomorrow he should be a candidate for the team of the week.

[magicman]

#12 Rochester loses to Nazareth College for the second time in 11 days this time 66-64. On Nov. 22 they lost 82-64. Maybe the third times a charm. Oh wait, that was the third time as they lost to Nazareth in the final of last year's Wendy's classic 62-60. I think the Yellowjackets have had enough of the Golden Flyers.

[wooscotsfan]

Final: #6 Wooster 75  Adrian (MI) 50

Wooster gets the easy road win with balanced scoring, 10 three pointers and a 50 to 31 rebounding edge.  Scots were led by Justin Hallowell with 13 points and Justin Warnes with 11.

Wooster is now 5-0 and plays Wittenberg next on Wednesday 12/7.

[Ralph Turner]

I like UT-Dallas as a Top 30 team.  However, the "winner" of the series this weekend, UTD hosting Hardin-Simmons and then McMurry should be the holder of that Top 30 slot.

All 3 schools are excellent teams.

McMurry and HSU are favorites (with UMHB) in the ASC West.  UT-Dallas is the favorite in the ASC-East.

I think that the "winner" this weekend is Hardin-Simmons.

They had a good road trip, first beating UT-Dallas handily on Thursday night and then making the 5-hour road trip from Dallas up to Ozarks to beat the Eagles, 87-79.  HSU's pre-season All American Matt Addison had 38 in the game versus UOzarks.

[Hugenerd]

So Marietta gets crushed by 19 today against Baldwin-Wallace, who improves to 4-1. Who was BW's only loss to? Currently 6-0 Bethany. Maybe the Bison deserve some consideration in the polls, even more than BW?

[John Gleich]

So Marietta gets crushed by 19 today against Baldwin-Wallace, who improves to 4-1. Who was BW's only loss to? Currently 6-0 Bethany. Maybe the Bison deserve some consideration in the polls, even more than BW?

Good old Bald Wally... I originally picked 'em in the... pick 'em... but switched it when I saw the rankings.

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BTW, #23 Stevens Point dominated Superior 85-47 in WIAC action tonight.

#24 Whitewater has a 37-19 lead against Stout with a couple minutes left in the first half.

#25 River Falls beat Platteville 68-57

[magicman]

#16 Buffalo St. remains undefeated at 5-0 as they defeat New Paltz St. 89-83 for their 2nd conference road win of the weekend.  Bengals guard Jake Simmons continues his outstanding play as he scores 21 pts with 5 steals and 3 boards. His 3 game totals for the week were 76 pts (25x49 fg 51%, 11x25 3's 44%,  14x16 ft 87.5%) 10 rebounds, 9 steals, and 2 blocks. I'm lobbying hard for D3 team of the week.    

[mailsy]

#11 Cabrini sneaks passed Keystone 95-92 on a last second 3 pointer, to remain undefeated at 5-0. 

[wooscotsfan]

So Marietta gets crushed by 19 today against Baldwin-Wallace, who improves to 4-1. Who was BW's only loss to? Currently 6-0 Bethany. Maybe the Bison deserve some consideration in the polls, even more than BW?

Bethany has only played one team currently with a winning record and that was their win at home vs. BW.  Marietta is currently playing without their preseason All-American Trevor Halter who is injured.  Baldwin-Wallace was also playing at home today and they shot 57% overall and 48% on three pointers (12 made) which explains their win over the Pioneers.  On any given day when the other team shoots lights out.....

The President's Conference is historically weak so I wouldn't pick Bethany as a Top 25 team yet, IMO.  It will be interesting to see how Bethany fares the rest of December including a road game at Illinois Wesleyan on 12/29.

[Gregory Sager]

Well, the king won't get to enjoy his throne for very long. Wash U upset #1 Augie, 71-68.

[Hugenerd]

So Marietta gets crushed by 19 today against Baldwin-Wallace, who improves to 4-1. Who was BW's only loss to? Currently 6-0 Bethany. Maybe the Bison deserve some consideration in the polls, even more than BW?

Bethany has only played one team currently with a winning record and that was their win at home vs. BW.  Marietta is currently playing without their preseason All-American Trevor Halter who is injured.  Baldwin-Wallace was also playing at home today and they shot 57% overall and 48% on three pointers (12 made) which explains their win over the Pioneers.  On any given day when the other team shoots lights out.....

The President's Conference is historically weak so I wouldn't pick Bethany as a Top 25 team yet, IMO.  It will be interesting to see how Bethany fares the rest of December including a road game at Illinois Wesleyan on 12/29.

You play your schedule, and my statement was only meant to say that before BW jumps into the Top 25 because their upset of a Top 5 (eg Salisbury who jumped in this week after lasts week win vs VWU, and then proceeded to lose twice this week), voters may want to look at the fact that their only loss is to an undefeated team. Oh, by the way, Marietta doesn't have a single win over a team that currently has winning record, so that kind of blows that argument.

I'm sure we will know a lot more about all the teams in 4 weeks, but based on the results, I would put Bethany ahead of BW if I had to vote and that's all I was saying.

[Hugenerd]

Well, the king won't get to enjoy his throne for very long. Wash U upset #1 Augie, 71-68.

Yeah, I enjoyed watching the 2nd half until the video went out with 27 seconds left. Augie seemed to be settling for a lot of outside shots, especially considering their bigs were killing WashU in the post (Kunz seemed to score at will or get fouled every time he touched it in the 2nd half). Anyway, big win for The Bears, should make up for those early losses on the road.