Top 25 talk

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Brutal, yes... but they crushed Williams last night... and could have success against Amherst. The Cardinals might be a surprise team in the NESCAC and could be a major player for the rest of the season the way they have been playing this year.

[hope52]

hope won today

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	623	Middlebury	14-0	def. Connecticut College, 72-56; def. Wesleyan, 65-62
#2	584	Virginia Wesleyan	13-1	def. Randolph, 76-62; def. Roanoke, 75-59
#3	563	MIT	16-0	def. Coast Guard, 83-55; def. Babson, 72-63
#4	546	Emory	13-1	LOST at New York University, 73-89; def. Brandeis, 95-58
#5	527	Amherst	13-1	def. Hamilton, 85-68
#6	460	Augustana	11-4	LOST at #25 Illinois Wesleyan, 63-73; LOST at Elmhurst, 55-56
#7	450	Franklin and Marshall	14-1	def. Muhlenberg, 87-55; LOST to Washington College, 74-78
#8	434	Mary Hardin-Baylor	15-0	def. Concordia (Texas), 94-73; def. Schreiner, 80-60; def. Texas Lutheran, 74-53
#9	420	UW-Whitewater	15-1	def. UW-Platteville, 75-70; def. UW-Superior, 80-58
#10	368	Whitworth	13-2	def. Pacific, 65-55; def. Linfield, 65-61
#11	363	Hope	14-1	def. Albion, 78-61; def. Kalamazoo, 88-67
#12	354	Williams	13-3	LOST at Wesleyan, 43-66; def. Connecticut College, 71-50
#13	296	Cabrini	14-1	def. Centenary, 108-92; def. Rosemont, 94-66; def. Marywood, 74-52
#14	271	Wabash	13-2	LOST to DePauw, 55-64; def. Oberlin, 65-42
#15	249	UW-Stevens Point	13-3	def. UW-Stout, 71-56; def. UW-La Crosse, 64-59
#16	239	Wooster	12-3	def. Hiram, 92-64; LOST at DePauw, 66-75
#17	201	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	14-0	def. La Verne, 73-63; def. Redlands, 76-67
#18	167	Puget Sound	11-4	LOST at Pacific Lutheran, 62-80; LOST at George Fox, 80-86
#19	150	Birmingham-Southern	14-1	def. Southwestern, 81-62; def. Trinity (Texas), 66-58
#20	141	Rhode Island College	12-2	def. Southern Maine, 73-40; LOST at Keene State, 91-92
#21	110	Buffalo State	11-4	def. Fredonia State, 74-71; LOST at Brockport State, 70-94; LOST at Geneseo State, 86-97
#22	102	Oswego State	11-3	LOST at Medgar Evers, 68-73; def. New Paltz State, 84-62; def. Oneonta State, 67-55
#23	86	Western Connecticut	13-2	def. Keene State, 94-87; LOST at Plymouth State, 72-82
#24	61	WPI	12-3	def. Trinity (Conn.), 66-65; LOST to Wheaton (Mass.), 51-65
#25	56	Illinois Wesleyan	13-2	def. #6 Augustana, 73-63; def. Carthage, 69-61

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	51	St. Thomas	10-3	def. Carleton, 66-59; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 76-62
#27	28	Wittenberg	12-3	def. Kenyon, 71-63; def. Denison, 67-58
#28	26	William Paterson	13-2	def. Rutgers-Newark, 69-67; def. Kean, 67-56
T#29	19	Ohio Wesleyan	12-3	LOST at Denison, 66-69; def. Allegheny, 72-55
T#29	19	Hardin-Simmons	12-2	LOST at Sul Ross State, 57-60; def. Howard Payne, 85-76
T#29	19	Bethany	14-2	LOST to Thiel, 57-69; def. Westminster (Pa.), 76-66
#32	18	Wheaton (Ill.)	12-3	def. Millikin, 82-49; def. North Central (Ill.), 66-64
T#33	17	St. Mary's (Md.)	11-5	LOST to Mary Washington, 55-65; LOST at Frostburg State, 72-85
T#33	17	Grinnell	11-1	def. Illinois College, 115-113; def. Lawrence, 103-94; LOST at Carroll, 106-109
#35	14	Washington U.	11-3	def. Case Western Reserve, 87-71; def. Carnegie Mellon, 66-64
#36	13	Rochester	9-5	LOST at Brandeis, 64-78; LOST at New York University, 50-74
T#37	10	Marietta	9-6	LOST at Capital, 66-82; LOST at T#37 John Carroll, 80-90
T#37	10	John Carroll	11-3	LOST at Muskingum, 69-82; def. T#37 Marietta, 90-80
#39	8	Eastern Connecticut	12-1	def. Mass-Dartmouth, 83-70; def. Maine-Presque Isle, 83-51; def. Mass-Boston, 82-52
T#40	7	Transylvania	13-2	def. Hanover, 72-67; def. Rose-Hulman, 60-46
T#40	7	Lake Forest	12-1	def. Knox, 57-54; def. Ripon, 84-75; def. Beloit, 67-62
T#42	5	Hartwick	13-2	LOST to Ithaca, 71-73; def. Utica, 87-81
T#42	5	Farmingdale State	9-4	LOST to St. Joseph's (L.I.), 72-83; def. Sage, 66-51
T#42	5	Christopher Newport	12-3	def. Methodist, 77-70; def. Ferrum, 107-79
#45	3	New Jersey City	12-3	def. John Jay, 83-71; def. Montclair State, 70-62; LOST at Richard Stockton, 48-55
#46	2	Hampden-Sydney	12-3	def. Lynchburg, 90-67; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 82-69
#47	1	Randolph-Macon	13-3	def. Eastern Mennonite, 74-71; def. Emory and Henry, 78-58

[scottiedawg]

Wow, we're still seeing a ton of shakeout in the poll!

[Ralph Turner]

Wow!!! NYU goes from zero to 87 in one weekend.

Is it a "UAA road loss" for Emory or are the Violets that good?

The top dog in the UAA is almost always Top 25 material...

and the runner-up (a 11-3/20-5 or better record is almost always Top 25 calibre as well.)

NYU needs to go 11-3 for me to think that they are Top 25.  (Just my humble opinion...)

[smedindy]

They're now 20th in Massey, gaining 37 spots thanks to their week!

[scottiedawg]

Using average opponents Massey rating for the next 3 games, these teams have the hardest schedule:

UWSP: 40.67
Ohio Wesleyan: 47.33
WashU: 58.33
Wittenberg: 64.00
WPI: 83.33
NYU: 88.33
Wabash: 92.00
Williams: 103.33
Augustana: 110.00
W Conn: 113.00
Wheaton (IL): 116.00
Claremont Mudd Scripps: 116.00

and some of the easiest:
Oswego St.: 201.67
Hope: 209.67
St. Thomas: 214.33
Franklin & Marshall: 221.00
Wm Paterson: 225.00
Middlebury: 233.33
Bethany: 263.33
Cabrini: 308.00

[scottiedawg]

Biggest movers in the Week 7 poll:
IWU +150
Wm Paterson +133
CMS +118
Birmingham-Southern +116
UWSP +94
Cabrini +92
NYU +87
Hope +87
UW-Whitewater +80

RIC -85
Emory -98
Buffalo St. -110
Williams -117
Franklin & Marshall -140
Puget Sound -161
Wooster -179
Augustana -340

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wow!!! NYU goes from zero to 87 in one weekend.

Is it a "UAA road loss" for Emory or are the Violets that good?

The top dog in the UAA is almost always Top 25 material...

and the runner-up (a 11-3/20-5 or better record is almost always Top 25 calibre as well.)

NYU needs to go 11-3 for me to think that they are Top 25.  (Just my humble opinion...)

12-1 isn't good enough?!  (With their non-con schedule, I'm not necessarily convinced by 11-3, but eviscerating #4 Emory and a pretty good Rochester team won me over.)

[Pat Coleman]

I think he meant 11-3 in the UAA. Not an easy task, though.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I think he meant 11-3 in the UAA. Not an easy task, though.

OOPS!  You're almost certainly right.

At 10-4, I'd definitely have them in the lower reaches of top 25.  At 9-5, they'd receive earnest consideration.

[Ralph Turner]

I think he meant 11-3 in the UAA. Not an easy task, though.

I greatly respect the UAA, but they have such parity at the Top 50 level.  In an average season, it is hard to allocate 3 Top 25 spots to the UAA, 3 Top 25 spots to the WIAC, 3 to the CCIW, 3 to the NESCAC and a 3 more to the NCAC/MIAA powers that season.  That would leave only 10 spots for everyone else.

Do those 6 conferences have 20 teams in the Top 50?  I believe so.

[smedindy]

Why allocate spots anyway? I can't see a conference quota - those things usually work themselves out.

[sac]

Why allocate spots anyway? I can't see a conference quota - those things usually work themselves out.

Ralph qualified it with the use of "In an average season", and in an average season he's pretty much right on.

I think he could add the NESCAC, they usually have 2 or 3 in an average season.  Maybe even a couple spots for the ODAC.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Why allocate spots anyway? I can't see a conference quota - those things usually work themselves out.

Ralph qualified it with the use of "In an average season", and in an average season he's pretty much right on.

I think he could add the NESCAC, they usually have 2 or 3 in an average season.  Maybe even a couple spots for the ODAC.

Yeah, ODAC (aside from VaWes) seems a bit down this year, but they had three teams in the top FIVE just a couple seasons ago.