Top 25 talk

[sac]

Have we seen anything about whether their absence is temporary?

Well Hammond has only played in 7 games this year, the other guard Ewing has missed the last two games.  A search of the Marietta site and local papers has revealed no clues.  They are both still on the roster.

[pjunito]

Another way to look at it could be there are 46 teams with no more than 2 losses and 6 teams with 3 losses in the Top 25.

I'm going to say Babson drops out, everyone else stays in.

any opinions?

Well, I think the only teams that could move into top 25 this week is Albertus Magnus and Wheaton (because of their win vs Augustana). So, if those two teams move out, I think Ohio Wesleyan and Babson fall out. If only one of those two teams make it, then Babson falls out. I think there will be a lot of movement between 13 and 22, teams shifting spots.

[hplc2222]

oglethorpe just won in double overtime at Rhodes to go to 13-1

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	623	UW-Stevens Point	14-0	won at UW-Stout, 61-60; won at UW-Superior, 86-69
#2	576	Wooster	12-1	won at Kenyon, 92-52
#3	571	Illinois Wesleyan	12-2	LOST at #12 Augustana, 73-81; won at North Park, 74-57
#4	563	Cabrini	11-0	def. Cairn, 91-51; def. Centenary (N.J.), 96-72
#5	525	Williams	11-2	won at Trinity (Conn.), 80-60; LOST at #8 Amherst, 73-84
#6	464	WPI	12-1	won at #34 Springfield, 81-61; def. T#36 MIT, 59-47
#7	438	Washington U.	10-2	def. Chicago, 80-69
#8	422	Amherst	10-2	def. T#45 Eastern Connecticut, 94-81; def. Hamilton, 91-73; def. #5 Williams, 84-73
#9	398	Wittenberg	12-1	def. #22 Ohio Wesleyan, 62-60; def. Hiram, 80-79
#10	385	UW-Whitewater	12-2	won at UW-Oshkosh, 86-55; def. UW-Eau Claire, 90-51
#11	375	St. Thomas	9-2	def. St. Olaf, 62-61; won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 87-58
#12	343	Augustana	12-2	def. #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 81-73; LOST at #28 Wheaton (Ill.), 63-66
#13	315	St. Norbert	11-1	def. Beloit, 68-48; won at Monmouth, 81-58
#14	278	Christopher Newport	10-3	LOST to #16 Wesley, 46-64; LOST at Penn State-Harrisburg, 60-63
#15	269	Virginia Wesleyan	10-3	LOST at Bridgewater (Va.), 65-78; def. Randolph, 75-46
#16	213	Wesley	11-1	won at Washington College, 66-51; won at #14 Christopher Newport, 64-46; def. #17 Mary Washington, 68-67
#17	149	Mary Washington	11-2	won at Salisbury, 75-70; LOST at #16 Wesley, 67-68
#18	139	SUNY-Purchase	10-0	won at Mount St. Mary, 81-66; def. Manhattanville, 82-64
#19	135	Marietta	10-3	LOST at Ohio Northern, 73-78; def. Baldwin Wallace, 97-86
#20	103	Messiah	12-0	def. Lycoming, 79-76; def. Alvernia, 89-78
#21	90	St. Mary's (Md.)	10-3	def. Frostburg State, 97-54; won at Southern Virginia, 84-49
#22	77	Ohio Wesleyan	10-3	LOST at #9 Wittenberg, 60-62; won at Allegheny, 76-64
#23	75	Richard Stockton	11-2	def. Rutgers-Camden, 76-61; LOST at Montclair State, 69-70
#24	70	Bowdoin	12-0	def. Bridgewater State, 64-59; def. Connecticut College, 64-47; def. Wesleyan, 63-54
#25	61	Babson	10-3	def. Emerson, 72-44; LOST to #34 Springfield, 81-89

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	57	Albertus Magnus	10-1	def. Norwich, 97-85; won at Rivier, 93-82; won at Suffolk, 94-73
#27	53	Calvin	9-4	won at Alma, 90-82; LOST to Hope, 63-71
#28	37	Wheaton (Ill.)	10-4	def. Elmhurst, 93-68; def. #12 Augustana, 66-63
#29	35	Oglethorpe	13-1	won at Hendrix, 70-69; won at Rhodes, 73-72
#30	34	Whitworth	10-3	def. Pacific Lutheran, 76-73; def. Puget Sound, 60-49
#31	31	Brockport State	8-1	won at Potsdam State, 75-57; won at Plattsburgh State, 85-78
#32	30	Middlebury	7-5	LOST to Plattsburgh State, 47-63; LOST to Bates, 61-64; def. Tufts, 80-66
#33	22	Colorado College	9-2	def. Austin, 68-53; def. Centenary (La.), 79-71
#34	21	Springfield	10-3	LOST to #6 WPI, 61-81; won at #25 Babson, 89-81
#35	16	Dickinson	11-2	def. Washington College, 78-66; won at Ursinus, 94-70
T#36	14	Birmingham-Southern	7-5	LOST at T#38 Emory, 61-76; LOST at Sewanee, 54-58; LOST at Centre, 71-85
T#36	14	MIT	9-3	def. Clark, 63-36; LOST at #6 WPI, 47-59
T#38	12	Staten Island	10-2	def. Lehman, 95-62; won at Medgar Evers, 113-79
T#38	12	Emory	9-3	def. T#36 Birmingham-Southern, 76-61; def. Rochester, 77-54
T#40	10	DePauw	10-3	won at Kenyon, 62-54
T#40	10	Texas-Dallas	10-1	won at LeTourneau, 80-57; won at East Texas Baptist, 84-72
T#40	10	William Paterson	11-2	won at Kean, 75-71; def. New Jersey City, 69-66
T#40	10	Stevenson	10-3	LOST at Albright, 82-89; def. Lebanon Valley, 86-72
#44	8	Dubuque	13-0	def. Wartburg, 67-63; won at Central, 74-67
T#45	1	Eastern Connecticut	9-4	LOST at #8 Amherst, 81-94; def. Mass-Boston, 81-60
T#45	1	St. Vincent	12-2	def. Thiel, 76-69; won at Bethany, 83-77
T#45	1	Guilford	10-3	won at Bridgewater (Va.), 69-60

[hplc2222]

Babson and Christopher Newport were the only 2 teams in the TOP 25 to lose games at home last week.

[hplc2222]

Time for my Top 25 guess

1) UW Stevens Point
2) Wooster
3) Cabrini
4) WPI
5) Wittenberg
6) Washinton U
7) UW Whitewater
8) Augustana
9) Illinois Wesleyan
10) Amherst
11) Williams
12) St Thomas
13) St Norbert
14) Wesley
15) Messiah
16) Mary Washington
17) Ohio Wesleyan
18) Virginia Wesleyan
19) Suny Purchase
20) Bowdoin
21) Christopher newport
22) St Marys MD.
23) Richard Stockton
24) Marietta
25) Albertus Magnus

[hplc2222]

The reason I am keeping Richard Stockton in the Top 25 is because they were voted in the Top 25 last week and to me that says they deserve to be there. A 1 point loss on the road to a conference rival is not that bad (and their other loss was only 2 points at William Paterson.

I say keep Richard Stockton in the Top 25 this week and see how they do. They play at home against Rowan on Wednesday and at Ramapo on Saturday. Let us see what they do this week before taking them out of the Top 25.

any opinions?

[John Gleich]

The reason I am keeping Richard Stockton in the Top 25 is because they were voted in the Top 25 last week and to me that says they deserve to be there. A 1 point loss on the road to a conference rival is not that bad (and their other loss was only 2 points at William Paterson.

I say keep Richard Stockton in the Top 25 this week and see how they do. They play at home against Rowan on Wednesday and at Ramapo on Saturday. Let us see what they do this week before taking them out of the Top 25.

any opinions?

Check out the Posters poll

[hplc2222]

as of this morning of the 416 teams
undefeated - 7
1 loss - 10
2 loss - 28
3 loss - 30
4 loss - 52

= 127 teams

[Greek Tragedy]

You really should join the poster's poll! 

[Titan Q]

Time for my Top 25 guess

1) UW Stevens Point
2) Wooster
3) Cabrini
4) WPI
5) Wittenberg
6) Washinton U
7) UW Whitewater
8) Augustana
9) Illinois Wesleyan
10) Amherst
11) Williams
12) St Thomas
13) St Norbert
14) Wesley
15) Messiah
16) Mary Washington
17) Ohio Wesleyan
18) Virginia Wesleyan
19) Suny Purchase
20) Bowdoin
21) Christopher newport
22) St Marys MD.
23) Richard Stockton
24) Marietta
25) Albertus Magnus

Based on the head-to-head result (http://www.cciw.org/custompages/CCIW_Links/MBasketball/Stats/1314/13iwmb6.htm), interested in your placement of Wash U and Illinois Wesleyan.  What is your thinking there? Thanks.

[hplc2222]

I thought I had to put Illinois Wesleyan behind Augustana because Augustana just beat them head to head. Washington U was 7, did not lose last week, they moved up 1.
makes sense?

[Greek Tragedy]

So IWU drops 6 spots because they lost on the road to a ranked opponent?

I understand your head to head thinking, but IWU did have a 230+ point lead on Augie.

[magicman]

Brockport State improves their record to 8-1 with a pair of wins this past weekend and I think, deserves a place in the D3hoops top 25. Mr. Massey also thinks they should be ranked and not just in the Top 25.  The Massey Ratings now have them ranked at #7 in the country with a strength of schedule ranked at #44. It's not very often that you can find a team in Massey's Ratings that will be ranked that high by his system and not be found in the D3hoops Top 25. There are 8 teams in Massey's Top 25 that aren't in the D3hoops Top 25 but all of those teams with the exception of Plattsburgh at #24 and Wilmington at #21 are in the Others Receiving Votes category.  Brockport is the only team in Massey's top ten that is not ranked by D3hoops. That seems like a strange outlier.

Brockport State just beat a Plattsburgh State team, that prior to Saturday's game, Massey had ranked #18. He currently has them ranked after, their loss to Brockport at #24, with a SOS at #16 in the country. The Plattsburgh Cardinals should be Brockport's main challenger for SUNYAC supremacy, and it was the only game on Brockport's remaining schedule that Massey had predicted they would lose. Plattsburgh made it to the 2nd round of last year's NCAA tournament before falling to National Champion, Amherst, and the Cardinals returned a ton of talent, including 7 of their top 9 players, along with 4 starters. 

With an 8-1 record, all on the road and their only loss a double OT affair at D3hoops #18 SUNY-Purchase (10-0), I believe it's time the voters of this website stopped looking at teams with 3 or 4 losses and give the Golden Eagles a spot  in the Top 25. The SUNYAC has done very well this year with the non-conference portion of their schedule and the top teams in our conference have shown they can play with anybody.
 

[hplc2222]

I am just a novice, this is only my 2nd week doing this in my life. I am intrested to see how close I get and where my mistakes were so I can learn.
I'll go by the actualy vote