Top 25 talk

[John Gleich]

well, there are 19 at large bids, the people that pick those, dont consider the rankings,  reprase is, the actualy rankings, make 50 teams got votes after all the conference tourneys were done, by default the rankings, where you actualy are in wins-losses, wouldnt matter?

so now we come full circle to past - post season records
Stockton was the runner up last year in the ECAC,... which could be considered as the D3 version of the NIT,...
a precursor if you will, for the NCAA for the next season
all i am saying is, i have made an arguement for the benefit of the doubt, about stockton,....
but no one on here sinc e i have been on, has made an argument for any other bubble team
i guess for now i am the SALT that goes into the drink

But past past post season matters in top 25 rankings, ... i had had that drilled into my head on this website

when is the last time a team ranked in the Top 25 just before tourney selection didnt get in the ncaa tourney?

see my point?
never probably

No.

Past season success has ZERO. Nothing. Zilch. to do with selection for this year. It matters as much as it would matter if your girlfriend was Miss America.

Ranking in the d3hoops.com Top 25 has nothing to do with selection. Nothing.


Read the link that I posted. You will learn about the actual process.

http://d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament


The wins and losses DO matter... but they're not the be all, end all in selection.

I'm not going to reply to another post of yours until you read what's on that link. I suggest everyone else do the same.

[iwumichigander]

Ok, is it just me or can we move a lot of this Stockton stuff to the NJAC board? I mean, I can appreciate fandom but I want to talk about more of the D3 Universe here....

Hardly anyone on the NJAC board and, I haven't seen some of you guys work this hard other than regional rankings prior tournament

[hplc2222]

going into todays games

85 team list
(categories- 0 loss, 1 loss, 2 loss, 3 loss, 4+ loss and votes, 4 loss no votes)

0 loss (3)
uw stevens point-------------18-0  #1 
cabrini----------------------------16-0  #3
suny purchase----------------14-0  #14

1 loss (8)
wpi--------------------------------16-1 #5
st norbert-----------------------15-1 #11
wesley---------------------------15-1 #12
albertus magnus-------------15-1 #20
bowdoin-------------------------15-1 #22
brockport state---------------14-1 #23
dubuque------------------------16-1 #25
texas-dallas-------------------15-1 #29


2 loss (10)
wooster--------------------------15-2  #2
amherst-------------------------15-2 #6 
washington u------------------14-2  #8
mary washington-------------15-2 #15
messiah-------------------------14-2 #17
oglethorpe----------------------15-2 #21
st vincent-----------------------15-2  #38
staten island-------------------15-2 # 46
genesco state----------------13-2 #49
husson--------------------------14-2  no votes

3 loss (16)
illinois wesleyan---------------15-3  #4
uw whitewater---------------- -15-3 #7
williams---------------------------14-3 #9
st thomas----------------------- 13-3 #10
augustana-----------------------15-3 #13
wittenberg-----------------------14-3 #18
ohio wesleyan-----------------14-3 #19
dickinson------------------------14-3 #26
mount union--------------------13-3 #27
richard stockton---------------14-3 #32
scranton-------------------------14-3 #51
penn state behrend----------14-3 no votes
hilbert-----------------------------14-3 no votes
centre---------------------------- 13-3 no votes
vassar-----------------------------13-3 no votes
plattsburg state----------------13-3 no votes

others receiving votes last vote (20)
virginia wesleyan---------------13-4 #16
st marys md--------------------.12-4 #24
whitworth------------------------ -13-4 #28
william paterson----------------14-4 #30
stevenson------------------------13-4 #31
christopher newport-----------12-4 #33
auguburg-------------------------11-6 #34
depauw ---------------------------13-4 #35
colorado college-------------- 12-4 #36
rose-hulman---------------------13-4 #37
springfield------------------------13-4 #39
calvin-------------------------------13-4 #40
babson--------------------------- 13-4 #41
emory------------------------------12-4 #42
mit-----------------------------------12-4 #43
randolph macon----------------13-4 #44
hampden - sydney------------10-7 #45
carthage---------------------------12-6 #47   
eastern conneticut-------------13-4 #48
marietta----------------------------13-4 #50


The additional 4 loss teams (28)
concordia texas------------13-4
marian-------------- ----------14-4
lakeland---------------------- 14-4
milwalkie engineering--- 14-4
mcdaniel--------------------- 13-4
sunyit------------------------- 10-4 
nicols------------------------- 12-4
eastern nararene--------- 11-4
mitchell---------------------- 12-4
daniel webster------------- 12-4

gwynedd-mercy----------- 13-4
alfred-------------------------- 11-4
johnson and wales------- 13-4
defiance---------------------- 13-4
guilford------------------------ 13-4
lynchburg --------------------13-4
bethany----------------------- 14-4
claremont-mudd scripps-12-4
cal lutheran------------------ 14-4
hobart-------------------------- 12-4

mount st mary-------------- 13-4
hood---------------------------- 13-4
macmurray------------------ 12-4
st olaf-------------------------- 13-4
grinnell------------------------ 12-4
endicot----------------------- -13-4
lewis and clark------------- 12-4
nyu----------------------------- 12-4

[hplc2222]

again, when was the last time a team after all the conference tourneys were fin ished, did not win the final game in the conference to9urney, but was ranked in the top 25, was not picked as one of the 19 at large bids?

never happened

[John Gleich]

So, does Carthage get more than just 3 poll points in the top 25... despite the loss to Elmhurst, because of the win over IWU?

Does it matter that Elmhurst beat Augie?

[hplc2222]

i watched a lot of the cathage game, THEY JUST TOOK OUT illinois WESLEYAN HANDEDLY , ALBIET AT HOME

yeah,.. based on my general knowledge,....... carthage is a team that could get one of those 19 at large bids, because they have the ability to knock off a bigtime ranked team

absolutley

[Greek Tragedy]

It happens more than you think, hp.

[hplc2222]

in the regular season,,,,, and hear again the ugly catch 22 raises its head

most good teams lose gam e,..... and most of those lose a game or 2 to teams that arent in the top 200

it happens

rearing its head again

there is something else thnat i have descibed about what needcs to be considered

tuff play

basicaly,.... some opf the teams are getting away with murder going through east schedules, and dont have to mop up the floor with their bodies in game, win or lose

stockton should get extra consideratioon because thats what they do, mop up the floor when called for

they are a tuff team this season

like i said, ill eat my socks they lose to TCNJ  wednesday

[Greek Tragedy]

Ok, is it just me or can we move a lot of this Stockton stuff to the NJAC board? I mean, I can appreciate fandom but I want to talk about more of the D3 Universe here....

Hardly anyone on the NJAC board and, I haven't seen some of you guys work this hard other than regional rankings prior tournament

Right?! LOL     

[pjunito]

again, when was the last time a team after all the conference tourneys were fin ished, did not win the final game in the conference to9urney, but was ranked in the top 25, was not picked as one of the 19 at large bids?

never happened

HP, in 2011-12 Albertus Magnus College was ranked in top 15 after regular season.. If they didn't win their conference tournament, they would not have made it to the NCAA tournament.

[lildave678]

Winning the conference certainly kept AMC in, but yeah, you would have had a 27-1 (or 26-2 if you give them say, a conference semi's loss) that would've been fringe top 25 that wasn't making the tourney (barring some magic from selection committee, but they hate the GNAC ).

[hplc2222]

but if ifs and but were candy and nuts, id have a hell of a christmas

thats the closet you got, but obviously they did win

but what i said was, ny question was

was a team rsanked in the top 25, AFTER THE CONFERENCE TOURNAMANTSa, and still didnt make the NCAA tourney,  despite losing thier conference tounrey,

the answer is no it never happened

probably

they would gbet o0ne of the 190 at largbe bids

i have made a strong, a really strong, argument for stockton today

but games need to be played yet

i understand that

but they have to be in the top 30

they just kicked  the crap out of the 30th ranked team in the nation by 24 points

[pjunito]

HP, what is your argument? That Stockon should get a bid into the tournament or be ranked in top 25?

If we took your logic, then any team that beats a top 25 or 30 team should get votes for the top 25 and that just isn't the way it works.

The lost RS had last week is worst than the win they had. So, at the end of the week, RS should get less votes not more. If Stanford beats Arizona this week, you think they will get top 25 votes? No, they have one good win but a lot of bad losses. You have to look at the body of work.

[hplc2222]

both, cause it is possible they could get screwed over, based on all the negativity about them on here for losingf a - monday- game - to brooklyn

brooklyns a truiff team man, much better than their record, they had hard luck in games

except for the stockton game

right, lol

i want stockton to be ranked inside the top 25 and also do damage in the ncaa tourney

[Flying Dutch Fan]

i want stockton to be ranked inside the top 25 and also do damage in the ncaa tourney

As does every fan of every team - we/they all want the same thing.  But just because you want that doesn't mean you can negate the facts that people are sharing with you to demonstrate why they aren't ranked right now.  A bad loss is a bad loss and the consequences of that loss are that RS will not be ranked - at least not this week.