Top 25 talk

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

FYI - this is the new selection criteria for the NCAA tournament (which also affects who hosts):

Primary Selection Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize competition leading up to NCAA championships; all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).

●● Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.

●● Division III strength of schedule.
-- Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
-- Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).

●● Division III head-to-head competition.

●● Results versus common Division III opponents.

●● Results versus ranked Division III teams as established at the time of selection.

Secondary Selection Criteria
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against all other opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).

●● Non-Division III win-loss percentage.

●● Results versus common non-Division III opponents.

Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the Basketball Committee.

[hplc2222]

absoltley,.. but then that arises another question, expect for me, rooting for stockton, and another guy on here talkiing about some best 7 loss team in the nation, that is now 9-8,........ there is no one else,... i am a lone voice in  the wind

[hplc2222]

see, thats the delema, cause if this was NFL  talk, youd get thousands of people talking about any one of the 32 nfl teams, and people talking about everey one of them

as far as i can tell, i am the o0nly one talking anbout any particular team, for several weeks

and in here lies an opportuiity

[smedindy]

My point is that there are boards for the single conference (team discussions)...sigh.

[hplc2222]

i understand that, but it seems everyone graviatates to this top 25 board, ... and i was told under certain terms, to post in here,..... about my liking stockton tol be in the top 25 in the natuon this year,...

[northb]

HP--I think what you are referring to was posters saying that last year's ranking has something to do with early season rankings.  All things being equal, that is in the equation.  That is, the voters may be considering how that team did last year to help them start out their ranking.  However, as the season wears on, the benefit if the previous year's (one year, not the years before that) performance washes out. 

Also, if I understand it correctly, the selection committee goes into this blind, with each region's best team left on the board being compared with all the other regions' best teams, based on the noted criteria.  When a team from one region is picked, then the next team in that region goes into the mix until all spots are taken.

However, I did hear recently that they are going to change this, and on 2014-15 the criteria will be the following:
1) How you did over the last 20 years
2) How hard you wipe the floor
3) How long your coach has been with the team
4) Number of posts on this board
5) Length of posts on this board

Tiebreaker is that they flip a TGHIJGSTO

[hplc2222]

wrong, but thats ok,.............. i am one fan, out of 7 billion  people in the world, ok? i am new to posting thoughtrs on D3 hoops, very very very new, a novive in it

but your comment is what i am getting at

there is a distinction here

tiger woods crashjes his car at the end of a drivweay, espn gets a milliuon posys on 2-3 articles over it-- everyone chimmin g in on their thoughrts and reaction

carthage just kicked the crap ouyt of illinois wesleyan and only one person said something and i was the only person to respond

inhere lays the ooportunity

think about it this way

right now in the united states there are probablt 30-40 million americans that have grasduated from division 3 colleges that are alive today

huge opportunity to cash in

i realize i am one person in the windwebsite, and a few stranglers like me

this forum, area, is wide open

for example, carthage just kicked the sh-t out of ill wesleyan, and had 1000 plus fans at the game, m aybe more,.. no one iks posting

huge opportunity to expand thew business




bjut no one is posting on here , exvcept for the 25 voters, tnhe people thjat run this

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There is a long conversation about it the CCIW board... since it was a CCIW game. That tends to be where most conversations take place... their conference threads. It does bleed into here as well, but especially with threads like the CCIW which are very strong.

You started a topic related to the Top 25 and Richard Stockton only in the Atlantic Region board... you didn't go into the NJAC board... you were asked if you had Top 25 topics to talk about them in the Top 25 board and not start a whole other topic. You came here, but your conversation has gone from being a Top 25 discussion to ONLY a Richard Stockton discussion from your perspective... so I think some people are pointing out you can have a NJAC discussion in the NJAC board.

Also, you talk about the NJAC being run and gun... did you see the 39-38 OT game a few weeks back?

[smedindy]

I'm not a Top 25 voter. I do vote in the Posters Poll, but I'm not a top 25 voter. I would gather that most of the Top 25 voters DON'T post here.

[hplc2222]

i did go into the njac bioard, no one responded,  months between posts on there,...

dave, we have been through this before,.......

you are a mermber of the mecdia,... i understand you like to tsalk about d3 basketball

where are your thoughts, youyr opinions, your soliques, abnout the teams, the games,.. on your own

without having to respond to fans opinions>?

i'm afraid if i say anything else i will get in trouble

but let me say this

make you own opinion, and have fans rwact to it, then you have every right to rewspond

to not put up an initial opini9on, but gop afgter fans for their opin ions, i kinda think is bogus

[hplc2222]

take a lessonj from mike francesa,... he puts up hisd thoughts, his opinions, on hosd nyc/nation radio show anmd then he takes callers opinions and answer them

what you are doing , dave, is not saying any opinion, but going aftyer fans for their opinion

this busin esas is wide open to make bi8llions of dollars

lthe business of sports talk doersnt work like the way you want it to

[hplc2222]

when dave mac puts up his opinion about players, about teams, about the way games go,...... then he hns every right to talk to fans that give their opinion , in reraction to what dave mac says']

but if dave m,ac refuses to put up rwal true red whit and blue opin ions, in first aqmendment rights, about the games

how does dave mac think , as a member of the media, he can get away with going ater fans for their opinions

[John Gleich]

This is against my better judgement... but...

To prove to you that the d3hoops.com top 25 poll doesn't have anything to do with selection for the NCAA tournament, here are WIAC teams who have missed the NCAA tournament (that's the same WIAC with 10 national titles and a handful of other Final Four appearances)

2001-02
#15 UW Whitewater
#16 UW Stevens Point

2002-03
#22 UW Whitewater

2003-04
#21 UW River Falls
(also UWW, UW Oshkosh and UW Platteville receiving votes)

2004-05
#23 UW Platteville
(also UWW, UW Oshkosh receiving votes)


Again, against my better judgement...

Dave is much more than a

mermber of the mecdia.

He has the only national radio show about D-III athletics.

I might be wrong... but to be a

mermber of the mecdia

one must get paid to do it. Maybe you haven't noticed, but there's an indiegogo crowdsourcing project ongoing right now to raise funds so they can do more and cover more... so that they can upgrade their "studio" (which, I believe, is just in Dave's house, though I might be wrong).

The same goes for this website. Pat Coleman does this as a labor of love and makes little, if any, money doing it. Both guys have other full time jobs.


In other words...


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^^^ I think you just crossed the line.

[sac]

looking for the top 25 board......

[smedindy]

see, if you arer  not a member of the media, or a voter for the top 25,..... that is a great post

but if tyiou are either of thodse thbings it is comp0letely bogujs

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