Top 25 talk

[magicman]

Thanks for the breakdown Q,

I haven't seen them play yet but their results  have certainly been impressive. I would think they will be ranked when the next poll comes out and somewhere in the middle of the pack would seem to be about right. 5 players averaging double figures, generally gets the job done.   

[Pat Coleman]

Lots of big bolded black marks in Darryl's first "How They Fared" report. 24 losses among the Top 25 teams and another 24 losses among the 26 teams in the ORV category. That's a whole lot of carnage.

Well, it is two weeks' worth of games, you know.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Augustana:
at UW-Whitewater RV (60)
vs. #9 UW-Stevens Point
at Wash U RV (15)

And those three games are in a course of ten days in December.

They also have:
at UW-La Crposse
vs. UW-Oskosh
vs. Edgewood

North Central:
vs. #7 Mount Union
vs. #17 Chicago
vs. #9 UW-Stevens Point
vs. Centre RV (8)

Plus UW-Platteville.e

Plus North Central has #1 Augie, #8 Elmhurst, and #24 IWU twice each.
That's 9 games against Top 25 teams plus one ORV, and Plateville, and now (3-0) Benedictine.

Considering it was talking about out of conference opponents... I was sticking to non-CCIW teams... because we can get into UW-Stevens Points and UW-Whitewater's schedules as well with themselves, Oshkosh, and Platteville to add. But the original post I was responding to was about non-conference schedules.

[Gregory Sager]

One interesting fact...Benedictine University is responsible for 2 of the losses on this board as they defeated #24 Illinois Wesleyan 88-86 back on November 14th and last night held on to down Elmhurst 94-86. At halftime they had a 28 point lead. I wonder if they'll get some love from the Top 25 voters?

St. Vincent is responsible for two of the losses on Darryl's board as well, as the Bearcats beat #11 Marietta, 85-80, and followed it up with a win over the top ORV team, Randolph-Macon, 70-68. However, in between those two wins the Bearcats lost a neutral-floor contest to Hood; even though Hood is currently 4-0, I suspect that that's enough to keep any pollster from taking St. Vincent seriously right now.

In between these 2 wins Benedictine defeated Wheaton College (Ill) by a 76-61 score, so the Eagles are currently in 1st place in the CCIW with a 3-0 record. They could conceivably  improve that CCIW record to 5-0 as they will play at North Central on Dec.22nd and end the year with a Dec. 30th game hosting Carthage. At that time they will have played 11 games...6 in their own NACC conference and 5 in the CCIW. Too bad that on New Year's Day they can't choose which conference they would like to be in for the rest of the season.

The subject of Benedictine's thwarted aspiration over the years to join the CCIW comes up on CCIW Chat every two or three years. Last time the discussion created quite a brouhaha. As a result, if you'd really like the 411 on it, you're better off PMing me.

[Greek Tragedy]

Based on the preseason poll, Stevens Point plays:

Vs #15 St. Olaf
Vs#16 Hope
Vs St. Norbert  RV (57)
At #1 Augustana
At North Central RV (10)
Vs #4 St. Thomas
Vs Keene St. RV (4)

Any other similarly tough nonconference schedules?

Yes. I was specifying nonconference.

[David Collinge]

Based on the preseason poll, Stevens Point plays:

Vs #15 St. Olaf
Vs#16 Hope
Vs St. Norbert  RV (57)
At #1 Augustana
At North Central RV (10)
Vs #4 St. Thomas
Vs Keene St. RV (4)

Any other similarly tough nonconference schedules?

Yes. I was specifying nonconference.

Don't you mean preseason?

[magicman]

One interesting fact...Benedictine University is responsible for 2 of the losses on this board as they defeated #24 Illinois Wesleyan 88-86 back on November 14th and last night held on to down Elmhurst 94-86. At halftime they had a 28 point lead. I wonder if they'll get some love from the Top 25 voters?

St. Vincent is responsible for two of the losses on Darryl's board as well, as the Bearcats beat #11 Marietta, 85-80, and followed it up with a win over the top ORV team, Randolph-Macon, 70-68. However, in between those two wins the Bearcats lost a neutral-floor contest to Hood; even though Hood is currently 4-0, I suspect that that's enough to keep any pollster from taking St. Vincent seriously right now.

In between these 2 wins Benedictine defeated Wheaton College (Ill) by a 76-61 score, so the Eagles are currently in 1st place in the CCIW with a 3-0 record. They could conceivably  improve that CCIW record to 5-0 as they will play at North Central on Dec.22nd and end the year with a Dec. 30th game hosting Carthage. At that time they will have played 11 games...6 in their own NACC conference and 5 in the CCIW. Too bad that on New Year's Day they can't choose which conference they would like to be in for the rest of the season.

The subject of Benedictine's thwarted aspiration over the years to join the CCIW comes up on CCIW Chat every two or three years. Last time the discussion created quite a brouhaha. As a result, if you'd really like the 411 on it, you're better off PMing me.

I've been an eavesdropper on one or two of those brouhahas. Remember them well.

[Gregory Sager]

Based on the preseason poll, Stevens Point plays:

Vs #15 St. Olaf
Vs#16 Hope
Vs St. Norbert  RV (57)
At #1 Augustana
At North Central RV (10)
Vs #4 St. Thomas
Vs Keene St. RV (4)

Any other similarly tough nonconference schedules?

Yes. I was specifying nonconference.

Don't you mean preseason?

Troublemaker. And on Thanksgiving, even!

[Titan Q]

Great game on tap tonight...

NAIA D2 #1 Cornerstone vs NCAA D3 #16 Hope.
http://www.cugoldeneagles.com/sport/0/1.php

Cornerstone, the defending NAIA D2 national champion, is most likely a basket or two better than the best NCAA D3 team - they are absolutely loaded. (Having watched both play, I'd favor Cornerstone by 4-5 points against Augustana on a neutral court.)  Hope is quite a bit better than D3 #16...I believe the Dutchmen are a top 5 team.

Great D3/NAIA matchup, and a great chance to see just how strong Hope is.

(Cornerstone beat Calvin by 31 last night.)

[wooscotsfan]

Final:  #13 Ohio Wesleyan 94  Illinois Wesleyan 85

Very nice road win for Ohio Wesleyan as they pick up a victory in a tough CCIW venue.  Bishops are now 6-0 and deserve to move up in the rankings.

[Titan Q]

Cornerstone 73 (NAIA D2 #1)
Hope 67 (NCAA D3 #16)

Hope led for about 38 minutes and would love to have the final 2 back.

I believe Hope is a tiny bit better than Augustana.

[sac]

Augustana 88  LaCrosse. 60
Hope 65  LaCrosse 47

[Titan Q]

Augustana 88  LaCrosse. 60
Hope 65  LaCrosse 47

North Central 83  Mt. Union 68
Mt. Union 74  Chicago 58
Chicago 74  North Central 61

[Darryl Nester]

Two results still pending -- will edit to update when they finish
How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	623	Augustana	2-0	def. UW-La Crosse, 88-60; won at Fontbonne, 80-57
#2	462	Virginia Wesleyan	4-2	LOST at Wesley, 91-92; def. Milwaukee Engineering, 73-59; def. Averett, 88-66; LOST at #45 Salisbury, 60-71; def. Emory and Henry, 76-61; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 80-67
#3	452	Whitworth	5-0	def. La Verne, 87-80; def. Caltech, 80-58; def. Northwest (Wash.), 84-54; def. (n) Hamline, 69-56; won at Colorado College, 73-66
#4	443	St. Thomas	3-0	won at UW-Eau Claire, 76-62; def. (n) #18 Emory, 82-70; def. (n) T#48 Southern Vermont, 79-67
#5	416	Amherst	3-0	def. Johnson State, 104-52; def. Worcester State, 97-79; def. Anna Maria, 86-64
#6	399	Catholic	3-2	def. Neumann, 75-64; def. (n) La Roche, 84-65; LOST at #11 Marietta, 90-92; LOST at Washington and Lee, 72-74; def. Wesley, 94-92
#7	359	Mount Union	3-2	LOST to (n) #31 William Paterson, 78-100; def. (n) Potsdam State, 70-56; def. Penn St. Beaver, 118-91; LOST at #40 North Central (Ill.), 68-83; def. (n) #17 Chicago, 74-58
#8	356	Elmhurst	4-1	won at Curry, 83-61; won at Greenville, 123-111; def. (n) Westminster (Mo.), 81-58; LOST to Benedictine, 86-94; def. Alma, 71-69
#9	355	UW-Stevens Point	3-1	won at UW-Superior, 69-61; def. #15 St. Olaf, 68-65; LOST to #16 Hope, 56-68; def. T#33 St. Norbert, 66-61
#10	350	Babson	5-1	def. Framingham State, 69-41; def. Anna Maria, 97-67; won at Lasell, 74-72; def. Elms, 103-71; won at Becker, 70-65; LOST at Bowdoin, 84-88
#11	335	Marietta	4-1	def. Westminster (Pa.), 100-82; won at Bethany, 78-65; def. Methodist, 79-64; def. #6 Catholic, 92-90; LOST at St. Vincent, 80-85
#12	292	Trinity (Conn.)	3-1	LOST at Springfield, 69-80; won at Framingham State, 71-60; def. (n) Me.-Fort Kent, 90-51; won at Mass-Boston, 77-54
#13	268	Ohio Wesleyan	6-0	won at Otterbein, 80-75; def. (n) Capital, 72-59; def. Alma, 96-77; def. T#41 Calvin, 91-83; def. Trine, 70-53; won at #24 Illinois Wesleyan, 94-85
#14	249	Eastern Connecticut	4-2	LOST to (n) #36 WPI, 50-60; def. (n) Western New England, 80-51; LOST to (n) Johnson and Wales, 59-72; def. (n) Ramapo, 96-71; def. (n) Hartwick, 93-87; won at Hamilton, 77-69
#15	224	St. Olaf	1-2	def. Bethany Lutheran, 82-53; LOST at #9 UW-Stevens Point, 65-68; LOST to UW-River Falls, 77-80
#16	219	Hope	3-1	won at UW-La Crosse, 65-47; won at #9 UW-Stevens Point, 68-56; def. (n) Aquinas, 95-61; LOST at Cornerstone, 67-73
#17	209	Chicago	4-2	LOST at North Park, 66-72; def. Lake Forest, 67-61; LOST to (n) #7 Mount Union, 58-74; won at #40 North Central (Ill.), 74-61; won at Pacific Lutheran, 62-58; def. (n) Puget Sound, 75-46
#18	194	Emory	4-3	def. Piedmont, 72-60; def. Birmingham-Southern, 88-54; def. Belhaven, 72-65; LOST to (n) #4 St. Thomas, 70-82; won at Stevenson, 79-75; LOST at Maryville (Tenn.), 67-91; LOST to (n) LaGrange, 86-91
#19	193	Franklin and Marshall	4-1	def. Elizabethtown, 80-49; def. Oneonta State, 79-71; def. (n) New Jersey City, 79-67; LOST to (n) Lancaster Bible, 66-94; won at Muhlenberg, 81-78
#20	159	Wooster	2-1	def. Silver Lake, 89-48; LOST to Skidmore, 63-72; won at Cabrini, 79-59
#21	157	Dickinson	1-3	LOST to Cabrini, 82-87; won at Stevenson, 77-67; LOST to (n) #22 St. John Fisher, 68-82; LOST at McDaniel, 56-66
#22	134	St. John Fisher	3-0	def. SUNYIT, 96-73; def. (n) DeSales, 74-64; def. (n) #21 Dickinson, 82-68
#23	132	UW-Oshkosh	2-2	LOST at T#33 St. Norbert, 62-68; LOST to Coe, 70-75; def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 88-81; def. Edgewood, 99-53
#24	129	Illinois Wesleyan	3-2	LOST to Benedictine, 86-88; def. Greenville, 150-117; def. Wilmington, 84-61; def. Rose-Hulman, 86-76; LOST to #13 Ohio Wesleyan, 85-94
#25	114	East Texas Baptist	3-1	won at Rhodes, 58-55; won at Centenary (La.), 72-61; def. (n) Schreiner, 84-73; LOST at Texas Lutheran, 78-79

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	99	Randolph-Macon	1-4	LOST to Mary Washington, 66-83; LOST to (n) St. Vincent, 68-70; won at Frostburg State, 84-74; LOST to T#46 Christopher Newport, 65-74; LOST at Averett 76-85
#27	84	NYU	4-0	def. SUNY-Purchase, 75-53; def. Moravian, 104-76; def. Arcadia, 90-87; def. Massachusetts College, 97-67
#28	82	Johns Hopkins	1-3	LOST to Lynchburg, 80-91; def. (n) DePauw, 82-74; LOST at #39 Washington U., 62-78; LOST at Gettysburg, 70-83
#29	75	Bates	2-2	def. (n) Norwich, 79-49; def. (n) Me.-Fort Kent, 86-65; LOST at Southern Maine, 92-106; LOST to University of New England, 89-101
#30	69	Scranton	5-1	def. Bryn Athyn, 94-68; def. Ursinus, 71-62; def. Ithaca, 78-67; LOST to Hobart, 73-79; def. (n) King's, 70-58; def. (n) Wilkes, 60-50
#31	63	William Paterson	4-2	def. (n) #7 Mount Union, 100-78; won at Drew, 70-62; def. Lehman, 73-71; LOST at Brooklyn, 66-80; LOST to Ramapo, 0-2; def. (n) Rosemont, 72-68
#32	60	UW-Whitewater	3-1	won at T#48 Ripon, 74-60; LOST to Davenport, 74-85; def. Finlandia, 80-52; def. Ohio Northern, 93-73
T#33	57	St. Norbert	2-1	def. #23 UW-Oshkosh, 68-62; LOST at #9 UW-Stevens Point, 61-66; won at Monmouth, 64-59
T#33	57	John Carroll	5-0	def. (n) Transylvania, 92-75; won at St. Mary's (Md.), 100-88; def. (n) Birmingham-Southern, 117-93; def. (n) Rust, 120-88; won at La Roche, 87-83
#35	54	Oswego State	6-0	won at St. Lawrence, 73-67; def. Mount St. Mary, 71-46; def. (n) Morrisville State, 61-59; won at Clarkson, 73-58; def. (n) Middlebury, 70-55; won at Rochester, 55-54
#36	52	WPI	5-0	def. (n) #14 Eastern Connecticut, 60-50; won at Westfield State, 59-50; def. Curry, 89-64; def. Staten Island, 66-62; def. Worcester State, 57-51
#37	47	Stockton	3-1	LOST to Staten Island, 68-72; def. Neumann, 86-71; def. Gwynedd Mercy, 81-64; won at Rowan, 88-71
#38	23	Bethel	4-0	def. Martin Luther, 94-71; won at UW-River Falls, 62-55; def. UW-La Crosse, 83-76; def. Buena Vista, 91-86
#39	15	Washington U.	5-0	def. Blackburn, 90-60; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 87-65; def. #28 Johns Hopkins, 78-62; won at Spalding, 74-49; won at Hanover, 84-64
#40	10	North Central (Ill.)	1-2	def. #7 Mount Union, 83-68; LOST to #17 Chicago, 61-74; LOST at Aurora, 92-95
T#41	9	Albertus Magnus	3-0	def. SUNY-Purchase, 101-84; won at Mitchell, 99-91; def. Norwich, 65-64
T#41	9	Calvin	2-3	def. (n) Waynesburg, 83-77; LOST at #13 Ohio Wesleyan, 83-91; won at Manchester, 89-77; LOST at Cornerstone, 72-103; LOST to (n) Aquinas, 77-87
T#43	8	Centre	4-1	LOST to Maryville (Tenn.), 62-70; won at Franklin, 71-60; won at Transylvania, 61-46; def. Berea, 80-66; def. Thomas More, 68-61
T#43	8	Hardin-Simmons	3-3	won at Schreiner, 76-70; LOST at Southwestern, 74-80; won at Trinity (Texas), 85-72; LOST to Schreiner, 82-84; LOST at Texas Lutheran, 89-99; def. Southwestern, 82-69
#45	7	Salisbury	5-0	def. (n) Rowan, 62-61; won at Widener, 83-50; def. (n) T#48 Southern Vermont, 60-59; def. (n) DeSales, 89-79; def. #2 Virginia Wesleyan, 71-60
T#46	4	Christopher Newport	4-0	def. Lynchburg, 72-56; def. Washington and Lee, 70-52; won at #26 Randolph-Macon, 74-65; def. Frostburg State, 74-47
T#46	4	Keene State	5-0	def. Green Mountain, 108-104; def. T#50 Endicott, 100-88; def. Lasell, 93-91; won at University of New England, 89-66; won at Springfield, 87-78
T#48	2	Ripon	2-1	LOST to #32 UW-Whitewater, 60-74; def. Lawrence, 88-80; won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 85-73
T#48	2	Southern Vermont	2-2	def. Massachusetts College, 102-72; LOST to (n) #45 Salisbury, 59-60; LOST to (n) #4 St. Thomas, 67-79; won at Castleton, 100-82
T#50	1	Endicott	2-2	def. (n) Elms, 93-89; LOST at T#46 Keene State, 88-100; def. (n) Clark, 88-72; LOST to (n) Lyndon State, 81-87
T#50	1	Northwestern (Minn.)	5-0	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 75-73; won at Hamline, 81-67; def. Marian, 87-66; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 83-64; won at Macalester, 64-61

[ronk]

#30 Scranton-Wilkes was a neutral court game @ Marywood.