Top 25 talk

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

To be honest, the NCAA is instituting a rule across all sports to resist adding teams to the brackets in odd numbers, i.e. one at a time, in an effort to save money. We were recently in a pretty good hole and while more money comes in, sports are expanding and costs are increasing thus the division is always in jeopardy of entering that hole again. Thus they are using the little known rule that was forgotten about when tournaments across the board were expanded at the drop of the hat each and every time - feeding into the problem.

Right now the math puts us at exactly 63 schools, so we need 6 to 7 schools to be eligible next season and with the way the process works, I can't speak to if that number will actually be high enough next year. Most I spoke with at the NCAA say it won't be next year, but they will admit that is coming off the top of their heads usually. When you have schools like Iowa Wesleyan who have to repeat years, it makes the math a bit fuzzy.

But again... ALL NCAA tournaments in Division III have been slowed in their increase to even numbers and only when it is clear the expansion is warranted. This is NOT a basketball-only item despite how many might feel.

I have 412 full-member NCAA schools that sponsor men's basketball which would give us 63.4 bids. NCAA truncates the decimal so 63 bids. But as Dave mentions they haven't been adding teams in odd-number increments (despite what the bylaws say).

416 is the magic number for a 64-team tournament (64 x 6.5 = 416).

I have three Year 4 provisional members (Houghton, Southern Virginia, Valley Forge) who would become full NCAA members next year in 2016-17 if they advance as expected. Plus dual-member Nebraska Wesleyan (who I didn't count in the 412 number) is leaving NAIA to fully participate in D3. That would get us to 64 the team threshold.

NCAA Pre-Championship Manual says 410 teams this year, but it's not counting Chatham at all and lists Wilson as a provisional member. I think those are errors.

I will set the over/under on actual tournament bids for 2016-17 at 62.5 (-110) you may place your wagers accordingly.

I specifically checked about Nebraska Wesleyan recently and was told they are always counted in the total even if they don't declare. Otherwise, the number would constantly fluxawate. So they are in the total already.

I will check on the number in the handbook, but Elisa at the NCAA is usually pretty good on staying on top of that stuff and she and I talked awhile back about those numbers.

[KnightSlappy]

To be honest, the NCAA is instituting a rule across all sports to resist adding teams to the brackets in odd numbers, i.e. one at a time, in an effort to save money. We were recently in a pretty good hole and while more money comes in, sports are expanding and costs are increasing thus the division is always in jeopardy of entering that hole again. Thus they are using the little known rule that was forgotten about when tournaments across the board were expanded at the drop of the hat each and every time - feeding into the problem.

Right now the math puts us at exactly 63 schools, so we need 6 to 7 schools to be eligible next season and with the way the process works, I can't speak to if that number will actually be high enough next year. Most I spoke with at the NCAA say it won't be next year, but they will admit that is coming off the top of their heads usually. When you have schools like Iowa Wesleyan who have to repeat years, it makes the math a bit fuzzy.

But again... ALL NCAA tournaments in Division III have been slowed in their increase to even numbers and only when it is clear the expansion is warranted. This is NOT a basketball-only item despite how many might feel.

I have 412 full-member NCAA schools that sponsor men's basketball which would give us 63.4 bids. NCAA truncates the decimal so 63 bids. But as Dave mentions they haven't been adding teams in odd-number increments (despite what the bylaws say).

416 is the magic number for a 64-team tournament (64 x 6.5 = 416).

I have three Year 4 provisional members (Houghton, Southern Virginia, Valley Forge) who would become full NCAA members next year in 2016-17 if they advance as expected. Plus dual-member Nebraska Wesleyan (who I didn't count in the 412 number) is leaving NAIA to fully participate in D3. That would get us to 64 the team threshold.

NCAA Pre-Championship Manual says 410 teams this year, but it's not counting Chatham at all and lists Wilson as a provisional member. I think those are errors.

I will set the over/under on actual tournament bids for 2016-17 at 62.5 (-110) you may place your wagers accordingly.

I specifically checked about Nebraska Wesleyan recently and was told they are always counted in the total even if they don't declare. Otherwise, the number would constantly fluxawate. So they are in the total already.

I will check on the number in the handbook, but Elisa at the NCAA is usually pretty good on staying on top of that stuff and she and I talked awhile back about those numbers.

You are correct, Nebraska Wesleyan is counted in their total, so they must be missing one more as well.

...checking the Manual... OK, seems the NCAA has (48) teams counted for the West region but clearly list 49 teams (page 30). So there should be 413 eligible institutions, not 410 as shown on page 24.

They're missing Chatham, have Wilson erroneously called out as a provisional member, and have dropped one west region team from the total.

[Ralph Turner]

The access ratio for D3 is 6.5:1. In other words, there's one tournament slot for every 6.5 schools that sponsor the sport -- or, as KS and HF point out, there's supposed to be one for every 6.5 schools, but D3 is lagging behind the ratio in terms of men's basketball.

And in the early 2000's, the access ratio was 1:7.5 for most sports. Talk about eliminating Pool C!!!

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	609	Whitworth	20-1	LOST at #20 Whitman, 71-87; def. Pacific, 84-57
#2	597	Augustana	21-1	won at #13 North Central (Ill.), 76-68; def. Carthage, 69-47
#3	579	Benedictine	22-0	won at #30 Aurora, 93-70; won at Wisconsin Lutheran, 86-62
#4	551	John Carroll	21-0	def. Otterbein, 95-48; won at Capital, 91-72
#5	536	St. Thomas	19-1	def. Gustavus Adolphus, 87-72; won at Hamline, 82-65
#6	460	Christopher Newport	20-1	won at Frostburg State, 82-71; won at #41 Salisbury, 61-59; won at Wesley, 78-74
#7	459	Hope	19-2	def. Olivet, 94-58; def. #12 Alma, 71-57
#8	449	Marietta	19-2	def. Capital, 77-63; won at Wilmington, 98-85
#9	433	Elmhurst	19-3	def. Carthage, 96-70; def. Wheaton (Ill.), 70-62
#10	414	Ohio Wesleyan	19-2	def. Wittenberg, 87-66; won at Kenyon, 72-57
#11	337	Amherst	18-4	def. Rhode Island College, 88-51; won at Bates, 88-69; LOST at #26 Tufts, 73-84
#12	306	Alma	16-5	won at Adrian, 68-63; LOST at #7 Hope, 57-71
#13	290	North Central (Ill.)	16-6	LOST to #2 Augustana, 68-76; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 89-69
#14	288	St. Norbert	18-2	won at Lawrence, 62-59; def. Beloit, 72-56
#15	222	Lancaster Bible	19-0	won at Penn State-Abington, 76-54; def. Penn State-Berks, 107-90
#16	198	Franklin and Marshall	18-3	def. Muhlenberg, 72-43; won at T#42 Swarthmore, 72-66
#17	197	Johnson and Wales	20-1	won at Lasell, 101-68; def. Anna Maria, 98-63
#18	193	Susquehanna	18-2	won at Juniata, 74-71; won at Moravian, 88-66
#19	184	WPI	16-5	LOST to Emerson, 53-56; LOST at T#34 Babson, 87-91
#20	159	Whitman	18-3	def. #1 Whitworth, 87-71; def. Pacific, 88-75
#21	155	Chicago	14-6	LOST at #29 Emory, 53-61; LOST at Rochester, 76-77
#22	107	Wesleyan	18-4	won at Emmanuel, 78-60; def. Williams, 66-63
#23	70	Penn State-Behrend	19-1	def. Alfred State, 81-45; won at Franciscan (Ohio), 85-48
#24	45	Plattsburgh State	17-3	def. SUNY Oneonta, 92-87; def. SUNY New Paltz, 102-64
#25	43	Mount Union	15-5	def. Ohio Northern, 89-83

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	37	Tufts	17-5	def. Mass-Dartmouth, 101-82; LOST to #33 Trinity (Conn.), 76-88; def. #11 Amherst, 84-73
#27	30	Texas Lutheran	17-5	LOST to Trinity (Texas), 82-83; def. Schreiner, 81-70
#28	24	NYU	17-3	won at Stevens, 74-66; won at Carnegie Mellon, 70-67; won at Case Western Reserve, 80-79
#29	22	Emory	15-5	def. #21 Chicago, 61-53; def. Washington U., 74-73
#30	19	Aurora	17-4	LOST to #3 Benedictine, 70-93; won at Milwaukee Engineering, 87-79
#31	18	Delaware Valley	16-5	LOST at Manhattanville, 74-81; LOST at DeSales, 58-73
#32	17	Roanoke	17-4	won at Guilford, 64-62; won at Hampden-Sydney, 97-80
#33	16	Trinity (Conn.)	16-6	won at #26 Tufts, 88-76; won at Bates, 78-66
T#34	10	Babson	15-5	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 86-75; def. #19 WPI, 91-87
T#34	10	Wooster	16-5	def. Kenyon, 101-88; won at Denison, 82-75
T#34	10	Northwestern (Minn.)	18-3	won at North Central (Minn.), 93-79
#37	8	Albertus Magnus	14-4	won at Rivier, 92-82; LOST at Lasell, 83-98
#38	7	Catholic	16-5	won at Elizabethtown, 73-60; won at Drew, 73-69
#39	5	Carroll	15-4	LOST at Ripon, 65-75; def. Grinnell, 127-126
#40	4	MIT	16-4	won at Springfield, 53-43; won at Coast Guard, 74-67
#41	2	Salisbury	16-5	won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 82-56; LOST to #6 Christopher Newport, 59-61; def. Mary Washington, 76-68
T#42	1	Brooklyn	17-5	LOST to York (N.Y.), 94-96; def. Hunter, 103-96
T#42	1	Gettysburg	15-6	LOST at Johns Hopkins, 48-68; won at Haverford, 67-32
T#42	1	New Jersey City	14-7	def. Kean, 79-52; LOST at Ramapo, 73-80; won at TCNJ, 81-56
T#42	1	North Park	14-8	won at Wheaton (Ill.), 74-61; LOST to Millikin, 55-61
T#42	1	Swarthmore	16-5	def. Ursinus, 83-64; LOST to #16 Franklin and Marshall, 66-72

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

If anyone is interested, here is my ballot for this week: http://irathor.tumblr.com/post/138948109927/my-d3hoopscom-top-25-ballot-week-9. I went through a bit of a shake-up; blew up a good chunk and started over. Still not completely comfortable with it, but it is what it is for right now.

Of course, here is the full ballot to peruse if needed: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2015-16/week9

[sac]

If anyone is interested, here is my ballot for this week: http://irathor.tumblr.com/post/138948109927/my-d3hoopscom-top-25-ballot-week-9. I went through a bit of a shake-up; blew up a good chunk and started over. Still not completely comfortable with it, but it is what it is for right now.

Of course, here is the full ballot to peruse if needed: http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2015-16/week9

That appears to be Ira's ballot?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

HAHAHAHA. It is. That was the last thing I apparently "copied" on my computer. Sorry for the confusion... SMH - I think my head is still full of cobwebs from the Hoopsville Marathon Show.

Thanks, sac, for pointing that out - I do appreciate it. Here is the actual blog: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/09/daves-top-25-week-9/

[scottiedawg]

Biggest vote gainers:
Whitman, 162
Plattsburgh St., 85
Penn St Behrend, 62
Johnson and Wales, 57
Wesleyan, 42
Susquehanna, 40
F&M, 38
St. Norbert, 34
Mt. Union, 33
Emory, 28
Benedictine, 25
Christopher Newport, 23
John Carroll, 20
Lancaster Bible, 17


Biggest vote losers:
WPI, -181
Chicago, -155
Amherst, -150
Whitworth, -79
N. Central (IL), -77
Alma, -44
Texas Lutheran, -24
Delaware Valley, -18
Albertus Magnus, -8
Catholic, -7

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Regional rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/

[Fifth and Putnam]

Baldwin Wallace 79
#3 John Carroll 78

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Well, it's the day of reckoning.  It always comes in February and it always comes out of nowhere.

Tonight we saw losses from JCU, St. Thomas, OWU, Susquehanna, Behrend...

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	612	Augustana	22-1	def. Illinois Wesleyan, 76-60; 02/13 at Millikin
#2	604	Benedictine	23-0	def. Concordia-Chicago, 111-59; 02/13 vs. Edgewood
#3	571	John Carroll	21-1	LOST to Baldwin Wallace, 78-79; 02/13 at #8 Marietta
#4	543	St. Thomas	20-2	def. St. John's, 69-68; LOST at Augsburg, 89-98; 02/13 at Bethel
#5	530	Whitworth	20-1	02/12 vs. George Fox; 02/13 vs. Willamette
#6	483	Christopher Newport	21-1	def. Mary Washington, 79-68; 02/13 at York (Pa.)
#7	468	Hope	20-2	won at Trine, 57-50; 02/13 vs. Adrian
#8	451	Marietta	20-2	def. #23 Mount Union, 106-81; 02/13 vs. #3 John Carroll
#9	427	Elmhurst	20-3	won at North Park, 89-84; 02/13 vs. #18 North Central (Ill.)
#10	410	Ohio Wesleyan	19-3	LOST at Wabash, 71-76; 02/13 vs. Allegheny
#11	322	St. Norbert	19-2	won at Lake Forest, 69-44; 02/13 vs. Knox
#12	321	Whitman	18-3	02/12 vs. Willamette; 02/13 vs. George Fox
#13	262	Alma	17-5	def. Calvin, 91-79; 02/13 vs. Trine
#14	254	Johnson and Wales	21-1	def. Lasell, 93-60; 02/13 at Albertus Magnus
#15	239	Lancaster Bible	20-0	won at Bryn Athyn, 89-69; 02/12 vs. SUNYIT; 02/13 vs. SUNY-Cobleskill
#16	236	Franklin and Marshall	18-3	02/13 at Johns Hopkins
#17	233	Susquehanna	18-3	LOST to Scranton, 58-67; 02/13 vs. Drew
#18	213	North Central (Ill.)	17-6	won at Carthage, 95-77; 02/13 at #9 Elmhurst
#19	187	Amherst	18-4	02/12 vs. Middlebury; 02/13 vs. Hamilton
#20	149	Wesleyan	18-4	02/12 at Bowdoin; 02/13 at Colby
#21	132	Penn State-Behrend	19-2	LOST at Medaille, 52-71; 02/13 vs. Mount Aloysius
#22	130	Plattsburgh State	17-3	02/12 vs. Cortland; 02/13 vs. Oswego State
#23	76	Mount Union	15-6	LOST at #8 Marietta, 81-106; 02/13 at Heidelberg
#24	50	Emory	15-5	02/12 vs. #26 New York University; 02/14 vs. Brandeis
#25	46	Tufts	18-5	won at Pine Manor, 105-98; 02/12 at Williams

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	37	New York University	17-3	02/12 at #24 Emory; 02/14 at T#40 Rochester
#27	27	Babson	16-5	won at Springfield, 68-64; 02/13 vs. Clark
#28	22	Wooster	16-6	LOST at Hiram, 69-70; 02/13 vs. Wittenberg
T#29	15	Trinity (Conn.)	16-6	02/12 vs. Hamilton; 02/13 vs. Middlebury
T#29	15	Aurora	18-4	won at Dominican, 99-79; 02/13 vs. Concordia (Wis.)
#31	11	Roanoke	18-4	def. Washington and Lee, 93-92; 02/13 vs. Bridgewater (Va.)
#32	9	Northwestern (Minn.)	18-3	02/12 vs. Martin Luther; 02/13 vs. Bethany Lutheran
#33	8	Stockton	17-6	LOST at New Jersey City, 61-68; 02/13 vs. Kean
#34	7	East Texas Baptist	18-4	02/11 at University of the Ozarks; 02/13 at Texas-Dallas
#35	6	Texas Lutheran	17-5	02/12 at University of Dallas; 02/13 at Austin
#36	5	Salisbury	17-5	def. Wesley, 68-62; 02/13 at Southern Virginia
T#37	3	St. Vincent	17-5	def. Washington and Jefferson, 101-57; 02/13 vs. Grove City
T#37	3	WPI	17-5	won at T#40 MIT, 58-50; 02/13 vs. Coast Guard
T#37	3	UW-La Crosse	15-7	won at UW-River Falls, 78-56; 02/13 vs. UW-Oshkosh
T#40	2	MIT	16-5	LOST to T#37 WPI, 50-58; 02/12 vs. Framingham State; 02/13 at Wheaton (Mass.)
T#40	2	Rochester	14-6	02/12 vs. Brandeis; 02/14 vs. #26 New York University
#42	1	Concordia-Moorhead	15-8	LOST to St. Mary's (Minn.), 55-56; won at Hamline, 88-79; 02/13 at St. John's

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Well, it's the day of reckoning.  It always comes in February and it always comes out of nowhere.

Tonight we saw losses from JCU, St. Thomas, OWU, Susquehanna, Behrend...

Always seems to be on a regional ranking day if memory serves as well. LOL

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Regional rankings are finally out and with them comes plenty of upheaval around the country. What do the rankings really mean? What teams should everyone be watching this week? Who is jockeying to lock up their conference's regular season title?

On Thursday night's Hoopsville, Dave McHugh hopes to get a lot of these questions answered. McHugh will talk to coaches from around the country who have their teams poised to capture conference crowns or at while also positioning themselves the best they can in the regional rankings.

Hoopsville is on the air NOW, but you can also watch it On Demand or listen to the podcasts (when the show is done) here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb11

Guests include (in order of appearance):
- Janice Luck, No. 12 Albright women's coach
- Jon VanderWal, No. 8 Marietta men's coach
- Lance Loya, Mount Aloysius men's coach - NABC Coach's Corner
- Tom Glynn, Nichols' men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
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[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	612	Augustana	23-1	def. Illinois Wesleyan, 76-60; won at Millikin, 77-52
#2	604	Benedictine	24-0	def. Concordia-Chicago, 111-59; def. Edgewood, 88-54
#3	571	John Carroll	21-2	LOST to Baldwin Wallace, 78-79; LOST at #8 Marietta, 81-86
#4	543	St. Thomas	21-2	def. St. John's, 69-68; LOST at Augsburg, 89-98; won at Bethel, 75-59
#5	530	Whitworth	22-1	def. George Fox, 83-67; def. Willamette, 72-53
#6	483	Christopher Newport	22-1	def. Mary Washington, 79-68; won at York (Pa.), 80-60
#7	468	Hope	21-2	won at Trine, 57-50; def. Adrian, 94-71
#8	451	Marietta	21-2	def. #23 Mount Union, 106-81; def. #3 John Carroll, 86-81
#9	427	Elmhurst	20-4	won at North Park, 89-84; LOST to #18 North Central (Ill.), 64-79
#10	410	Ohio Wesleyan	20-3	LOST at Wabash, 71-76; def. Allegheny, 105-84
#11	322	St. Norbert	20-2	won at Lake Forest, 69-44; def. Knox, 83-47
#12	321	Whitman	20-3	def. Willamette, 103-52; def. George Fox, 97-72
#13	262	Alma	18-5	def. Calvin, 91-79; def. Trine, 69-50
#14	254	Johnson and Wales	21-2	def. Lasell, 93-60; LOST at Albertus Magnus, 94-102
#15	239	Lancaster Bible	22-0	won at Bryn Athyn, 89-69; def. SUNYIT, 86-64; def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 95-71
#16	236	Franklin and Marshall	18-4	LOST at Johns Hopkins, 69-74
#17	233	Susquehanna	19-3	LOST to Scranton, 58-67; def. Drew, 86-60
#18	213	North Central (Ill.)	18-6	won at Carthage, 95-77; won at #9 Elmhurst, 79-64
#19	187	Amherst	20-4	def. Middlebury, 83-70; def. Hamilton, 65-53
#20	149	Wesleyan	18-6	LOST at Bowdoin, 71-80; LOST at Colby, 64-73
#21	132	Penn State-Behrend	20-2	LOST at Medaille, 52-71; def. Mount Aloysius, 87-76
#22	130	Plattsburgh State	18-4	def. Cortland, 99-78; LOST to Oswego State, 74-90
#23	76	Mount Union	15-7	LOST at #8 Marietta, 81-106; LOST at Heidelberg, 70-87
#24	50	Emory	16-6	LOST to #26 New York University, 56-73; def. Brandeis, 66-58
#25	46	Tufts	19-5	won at Pine Manor, 105-98; won at Williams, 77-73

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	37	New York University	18-4	won at #24 Emory, 73-56; LOST at T#40 Rochester, 63-75
#27	27	Babson	17-5	won at Springfield, 68-64; def. Clark, 80-56
#28	22	Wooster	17-6	LOST at Hiram, 69-70; def. Wittenberg, 99-86
T#29	15	Trinity (Conn.)	18-6	def. Hamilton, 96-86; def. Middlebury, 97-86
T#29	15	Aurora	18-5	won at Dominican, 99-79; LOST to Concordia (Wis.), 110-120
#31	11	Roanoke	19-4	def. Washington and Lee, 93-92; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 104-67
#32	9	Northwestern (Minn.)	20-3	def. Martin Luther, 82-42; def. Bethany Lutheran, 74-63
#33	8	Stockton	18-6	LOST at New Jersey City, 61-68; def. Kean, 76-56
#34	7	East Texas Baptist	19-5	won at University of the Ozarks, 79-62; LOST at Texas-Dallas, 68-69
#35	6	Texas Lutheran	19-5	won at University of Dallas, 80-71; won at Austin, 68-64
#36	5	Salisbury	18-5	def. Wesley, 68-62; won at Southern Virginia, 75-57
T#37	3	St. Vincent	17-6	def. Washington and Jefferson, 101-57; LOST to Grove City, 63-65
T#37	3	WPI	18-5	won at T#40 MIT, 58-50; def. Coast Guard, 69-60
T#37	3	UW-La Crosse	15-8	won at UW-River Falls, 87-77; LOST to UW-Oshkosh, 60-62
T#40	2	MIT	18-5	LOST to T#37 WPI, 50-58; def. Framingham State, 63-52; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 71-63
T#40	2	Rochester	16-6	def. Brandeis, 71-54; def. #26 New York University, 75-63
#42	1	Concordia-Moorhead	15-9	LOST to St. Mary's (Minn.), 55-56; won at Hamline, 88-79; LOST at St. John's, 64-75