Top 25 talk

[WUPHF]

I think we need a preseason Hoopsville that corresponds with the release of the preseason poll. 

[AndOne]

I think we need a preseason Hoopsville that corresponds with the release of the preseason poll. 

I'll second that.
Possibly a call in discussion (perhaps a certain number of calls per each spot) where callers could opine why or why not a team deserved to be voted in the spot they finished in the poll.
Certainly there would be no shortage of possible formats to fill the time slot.

[AndOne]

You also have to realize that there's no direction as to what Top 25 people are voting for.  Someone could be voting for the 25 teams they think will be the best at the end of the season.  Another voter could be voting for the 25 teams they think are best at the moment of the vote. You could have someone voting UST #1 right now simply because they're just repeating their final vote from last year (with no games played yet, only the ones from last year should count).  I would agree with that last approach, but I understand it.

You get the same kind of disparity in the final vote.  Some people are picking the 25 best teams of March, others are putting more emphasis on the whole season. That's why its good to have a diversity of voters.

And yes, if a voter doesn't vote for a team that everyone else does, they'll get an email asking if they made a mistake.  I am consistently amazed with how seriously voters take the poll, especially the coaches who have better things to do with their time than watch film of teams on the opposite coast they have little chance of every playing - but a lot of them do.  They want to be as well informed as anyone.

I strongly feel that every poll should be a representation of where a team is at the moment. A team that was 18-0, and ranked 1st, but loses their next 3 in a row is no longer the nation's best team just because they had a perfect first 18 games. Heck, there might have even been a 17-1 team that was better at the time based on a tougher schedule.
Would be interested in other's opinions. 

[sac]

Please someone look up AndOne's past comments regarding "body of work" being most important, you can find these arguments in many places including Top25, PoolC, CCIW and probably a number of other places.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Please someone look up AndOne's past comments regarding "body of work" being most important, you can find these arguments in many places including Top25, PoolC, CCIW and probably a number of other places.

HA! Exactly. Whatever argument fits the bill.

I think we need a preseason Hoopsville that corresponds with the release of the preseason poll. 

I think we need a preseason Hoopsville that corresponds with the release of the preseason poll. 

I'll second that.
Possibly a call in discussion (perhaps a certain number of calls per each spot) where callers could opine why or why not a team deserved to be voted in the spot they finished in the poll.
Certainly there would be no shortage of possible formats to fill the time slot.

A) I have enough going on and will be struggling just to get the first show on the air Nov. 13...
B) I am just one voter... I can't speak for all the rest... not sure my questions would work.
C) It does give me an idea... maybe Periscope or Facebook Live? Maybe next week in conjunction to me releasing my preseason blog?

[AndOne]

Please someone look up AndOne's past comments regarding "body of work" being most important, you can find these arguments in many places including Top25, PoolC, CCIW and probably a number of other places.

HA! Exactly. Whatever argument fits the bill.

Yep. I'm practicing changing positions in preparation for my entry into the political arena. You can't get elected without the ability to change positions rapidly and often!

Seriously though, I don't recall pushing the "body of work" argument that much. There was an occasion a couple of years ago when I did so. Pretty sure it was in connection with something having to do with the relative placements of NCC and UWSP in a poll or something.
At any rate, who doesn't sometimes change their feelings/thinking on a subject? Isn't that called being inflexible? 

[AndOne]

I think we need a preseason Hoopsville that corresponds with the release of the preseason poll. 

I think we need a preseason Hoopsville that corresponds with the release of the preseason poll. 

I'll second that.
Possibly a call in discussion (perhaps a certain number of calls per each spot) where callers could opine why or why not a team deserved to be voted in the spot they finished in the poll.
Certainly there would be no shortage of possible formats to fill the time slot.

A) I have enough going on and will be struggling just to get the first show on the air Nov. 13...
B) I am just one voter... I can't speak for all the rest... not sure my questions would work.
C) It does give me an idea... maybe Periscope or Facebook Live? Maybe next week in conjunction to me releasing my preseason blog?

Dave,

Should I apologize for putting an idea in your head that undoubtedly would make more work for you?

AND, thanks for your answers to the questions I previously posed regarding the pre-season poll!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Dave,

Should I apologize for putting an idea in your head that undoubtedly would make more work for you?

AND, thanks for your answers to the questions I previously posed regarding the pre-season poll!

Yeah, you probably should. Actually, I have been thinking about how to utilize those options with the show without trying to broadcast the show through those mediums (no chance). So, I have debated when and what. The problem is, I have a lot on my shoulders these days (especially trying to pay the bills), so to get side tracked with items that don't necessarily bring in the money isn't the best use of my time. I could be driving an Uber or Lyft car in that time frame! LOL

But who knows, maybe it would be a good test pattern as it where.

And you are welcome. I hope it gives you some insight and wasn't too confusing. I am sure there are other opinions on some of that out there.

AndOne - hard to base a preseason poll on the now when there hasn't been any games played. Body of work, history, patterns, tea leaves, darts on the wall... they all play a role. Too difficult to pigeon hole it into one thing. Furthermore, I don't think we want to see that much movement during the regular season in the poll if we based it only on the now. There is a delicate balancing act between the now, the past, and the future when it comes to voting. No one gets it perfectly right and everyone probably changes their emphasis week to week, team to team.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm covering the Hoopsville Tournament again this year and my laptop is all set up for live broadcasting on Youtube - maybe I can do some sideline reports that way.  We'll have to see what we come up with.

[WUPHF]

A) I have enough going on and will be struggling just to get the first show on the air Nov. 13...
B) I am just one voter... I can't speak for all the rest... not sure my questions would work.
C) It does give me an idea... maybe Periscope or Facebook Live? Maybe next week in conjunction to me releasing my preseason blog?

We all understand.  Thanks in advance for sharing your feedback on the voting process in the weekly blogs and for what will certainly be another great season of Hoopsville.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

No problem, WUH. I am glad there is an audience for the work. If there wasn't, I wouldn't make the effort anymore.

Though just as a head's up... the first Top 25 blog isn't going to go through each team. Doesn't seem to be the most effective. I can write some thoughts on the upcoming season more effectively.

Look for it early to mid week next week.

[Greek Tragedy]

If you don't talk about the Cubs the whole time, I may try to listen in.         

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

If you don't talk about the Cubs the whole time, I may try to listen in.         

Hmm... sounds like a challenge... to talk about them all of the time! LOL

But otherwise... I'm a professional... I know what the show is about. I don't know how to discuss a winning Cubs team, so why try and rock the boat? ROFL

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Hampden-Sydney took D1 Longwood to OT tonight.  What's more, Guilherme Guimaraes went 14-15 from the floor for 30 points with 12 rebounds.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Believe it not, the 2016-17 basketball season is just days away. But the season can't start without Hoopsville hitting the air!

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