Top 25 talk

[John Gleich]

#7 Stevens Point gets back in the W column in a big way, upsetting #2 UW Whitewater 67-64 in OT after trailing by 12 at halftime WITHOUT preseason 3rd team All-American Pete Rortvedt and much of the first half with 4 year starter Brian Beamish on the bench with an injury.

RV La Crosse also knocks off #3 Augustana 61-54

[Hugenerd]

If the last couple of nights tells us anything, it is about the parity of the northeast.  WPI (who has beat Lasell, Brandeis and RIC) had their first loss tonight to Salem State, who's only loss is to Wheaton (MA), who's only loss is to Emerson, who's only loss is to Babson, who has only lost to Trinity (CT) and Brandeis.

Brandeis beat RIC tonight (RIC's only losses are to WPI and Brandeis).  Brandeis has lost to WPI, Lasell and UMD.  UMD had their first loss last night to Bridgewater State, who's only loss is to RIC. Lasell has lost to Western Conn, WPI and Amherst.  Amherst is the only team of those listed above that are undefeated.

Some other teams of significance, although none of these teams have played the top teams listed above (except Bowdoin):
Elms (7-0)
Gordon (6-0),
Springfield, only loss to Elms.
Bowdoin, who's only loss is to Salem State.
Westfield State, only loss to Elms.

Just to give a brief update on the Northeast again:

Elms and Amherst are the only remaining undefeated teams in the northeast. Amherst destroyed previous 1 loss teams Westfield State and Springfield in the last couple of days. Elms has a big test at WPI next week, Amherst doesnt play anyone until mid-January.

Gordon (6-1) loses in their first real challenge of the year (55-68, at home), to Salem State a team that is now 6-1 with 3 solid wins this week that include previously unbeaten Gordon and WPI. WPI won today improving to 7-1.

Bowdoin improves to 6-1 with their only loss to Salem State.

Bridgewater State (5-1, only loss to RIC), handed Wheaton (MA) their second loss.  UMD (5-1, only loss to Bridgewater State), also won.

RIC (4-2) won today, with their only losses against WPI and Brandeis.

After a really rocky 0-3 start, with losses to Lasell, UMD, and WPI, Brandeis has rebounded with 4 really solid wins, including RIC and today's destruction of Emerson (97-70), a game in which they were able to turn over Emerson's best player, Shannon, 7 times, and hold him to 15 points, on 5-14 shooting. Terrell Hollins had 27 points and 14 rebounds in the contest, while Steve Deluca chipped in with 11 on 5-8 shooting.

[scottiedawg]

HOW THEY FARED (week of Dec . 1-7) COMPLETE

#01 Washington U (7-0) def. Hamilton 85-57, def. #13 Illinois Wesleyan 93-86
#02 UW Whitewater (6-1) won at North Central 62-54, lost at #7 UW Stevens Point 67-64
#03 Augustana (4-2) won at St. Ambrose 89-61, lost at UW LaCrosse 61-54
#04 Wheaton (6-0) won at Chicago 84-52, def. Calvin 68-56, def. Hope 91-79
#05 UW Platteville (7-0) won at UW Superior 76-69
#06 St. Thomas (4-0) def. Concordia-Moorehead 74-63, def. St. Olaf 60-52
#07 UW Stevens Point (5-1) lost to Lawrence 75-59, def. #2 UW Whitewater 67-64
#08 Elmhurst (6-0) def. UW La-Crosse 67-54,
#09 Gettysburg (4-1) def. Dickinson 67-50, lost at #21 Ursinus 82-53
#10 Amherst (6-0) def. Lasell 104-77, won at Springfield 84-57, won at Westfield State 90-59
#11 Buena Vista (6-1) won at Simpson 91-66, def. Coe 81-65
#12 Capital (6-0) def. Ohio Wesleyan 82-70, won at Baldwin Wallace 92-87
#13 Illinois Wesleyan (4-2) lost at Olivet Nazarene 76-63, lost at #1 Washington U 93-86, def. Hamilton 70-55
#14 Puget Sound (5-2) lost at Warner Pacific 98-85,  lost at St. Martin's 83-78
#15 Whitworth (6-1) won at Cal St. Easy Bay 85-80, lost to Claremont Mudd Scripps 73-68, won at UC Santa Cruz 90-58
#16 Elms (8-0) def. W. New England. 82-66, def. Fitchburg St. 90-55, def. Trinity (Conn) 71-62
#17 Worcester Polytech (7-1) won at Curry 67-51, lost at Salem St. 73-69, won at Fitchburg State 84-74
#18 St. Mary's (7-0) won at Stevenson 80-71, def. Marymount 76-67
#19 Carnegie Mellon (7-0) def. Juanita 75-56, def. Rochester 58-55
#20 Mass Dartmouth (5-1) lost at Bridgewater St. 89-87, def. W Connecticut 87-74
#21 Ursinus (5-1) def. Washington Col. 81-61, def. #9 Gettysburg 82-53
#22 Transylvania (3-1) lost at Hanover 55-53, won at Manchester 63-55
#23 Centre (5-1) def. Berea 74-44, won at Sewanee 60-39, won at Oglethorpe 64-59
#24 NC Wesleyan (8-1) won at Guilford 76-55, def. Lancaster Bible 81-58, lost to St. Vincent 96-87
#25 Rhode Is. College (4-2) won at Johnson and Wales 72-63, lost at Brandeis 75-61, won at Mass Boston 83-58
#26 Hope (3-3) lost to Carthage 89-68, lost at #4 Wheaton 91-79
#27 Gordon (6-1) won at Endicott 67-66, lost to Salem State 68-55
#28 Richard Stockton (8-1) def. Penn St. Abington 100-51, def. Kean 71-42, won at Ramapo 86-73
#29 Calvin (3-3) lost at #4 Wheaton 68-56, lost to Carthage 95-82
#30 Ithaca (6-0) Idle
#31 Bethel (5-1) lost to St. John's 81-73, def. St. Mary's 78-62
#32 Bowdoin (6-1) def. Southern Maine 68-52, def. Bates 71-62
#33 Loras (5-2) won at Clarke 70-65, won at Coe 66-57, def. Luther 64-47
#34 Carleton (3-1) def. Chaminade 74-69, lost to St. John's 81-70
#35 Mary Hardin Baylor (2-3) def. U of the Ozarks 83-69, won at E Texas Baptist 75-66

[Ralph Turner]

+1, scottiedawg!   

Thanks for the extra work to include #26 - #35.

[LogShow]

#14 Puget Sound drops 2 games this week to Warner Pacific (#15 in NAIA 2, I think) and Saint Martins (#25 D2)...even though the games were against good competition, I am not sure if it will be enough to keep us in the Top 25...

[Darryl Nester]

HOW THEY FARED (week of Dec . 1-7) COMPLETE
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#31 Bethel (11-0) def. Indiana Wesleyan 84-81, def. Goshen 88-64

I'm pretty sure that the Bethel in question is the one in Minnesota, which

• lost to St. John's 81-73 and def. St. Mary's (Minn.) 78-62
  

The 11-0 Bethel (Indiana) Pilots belong to the NAIA.

[scottiedawg]

HOW THEY FARED (week of Dec . 1-7) COMPLETE
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#31 Bethel (11-0) def. Indiana Wesleyan 84-81, def. Goshen 88-64

I'm pretty sure that the Bethel in question is the one in Minnesota, which

• lost to St. John's 81-73 and def. St. Mary's (Minn.) 78-62
  

The 11-0 Bethel (Indiana) Pilots belong to the NAIA.

Correction made.  Thank you.

[magicman]

scottiedawg
#13 Illinois Wesleyan rebounds from their loss to WashU with a 70-55 win over Hamilton on Sunday afternoon.

Glad to see you're taking up this time consuming chore. As Ralph said, lots of karma will be coming your way. Plus 1

[ScotsFan]

Glad to see you're taking up this time consuming chore. As Ralph said, lots of karma will be coming your way. Plus 1

He's just doing it for the karma!      

Just kidding, of course!      

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Salem State is looking pretty good this year.  They're not winning pretty, but they are winning.  For my count, they are now the '1' for three different 1 loss teams in the region, while playing an uncharacteristically challenging non-conference schedule.

They also have the added boost of being in a much improved conference.

I think they should get some consideration this week.

[scottiedawg]

Salem State is looking pretty good this year.  They're not winning pretty, but they are winning.  For my count, they are now the '1' for three different 1 loss teams in the region, while playing an uncharacteristically challenging non-conference schedule.

They also have the added boost of being in a much improved conference.

I think they should get some consideration this week.

Agreed.  Salem State and Carthage are two teams who received no votes in last week's poll, but should she quite a few in the new one. 

[Ralph Turner]

Glad to see you're taking up this time consuming chore. As Ralph said, lots of karma will be coming your way. Plus 1

He's just doing it for the karma!      

Just kidding, of course!      

Hey!  We are the beneficiaries!  Fan-driven content by the finest fans in all of sportsdom!     +1, scottiedawg! 

Karma

The Buddha's reply was:

    "All living beings have actions (Karma) as their own, their inheritance, their congenital cause, their kinsman, their refuge. It is Karma that differentiates beings into low and high states."

[scottiedawg]

Movers

+198 Ursinus
+135 Carnegie Mellon
+100 St. Mary's
+71 Capital
+69 Amherst
+68 Elms
+68 Ithaca
+57 Trinity Tx
+52 UW Platteville
+49 Wheaton
+44 Richard Stockton
+43 Salem State
+40 Centre
+40 Texas-Dallas
-31 Gordon
-37 Calvin
-43 RIC
-46 NC Wesleyan
-64 WPI
-65 UMass Dartmouth
-84 Hope
-100 UW Whitewater
-101 Transylvania
-103 Gettysburg
-113 Whitworth
-124 Illinois Wesleyan
-125 Puget Sound
-157 Augustana

[LogShow]

I am happy to see that Puget Sound still remains in the Top 25, even after a few losses to tough teams last week.   

[scottiedawg]

I am happy to see that Puget Sound still remains in the Top 25, even after a few losses to tough teams last week.   

I've realized that it's pretty useless to show the top movers by ranking, and not by votes.  On the surface, one would wonder how Puget Sound could lose two games, albeit against good competition, and stay ranked.  But looking at the votes, they were the second most penalized team by voters.  The large amount of attrition around them allowed them to stay in the Top 25.