Top 25 talk

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (so far)

#1 Washington U. (8-0): 12/19 vs. Eureka (neutral site); 12/20 vs. TBA  @ Elmhurst (neutral site)
#2 Wheaton (Ill.) (8-0): IDLE
#3 UW-Platteville (9-0): 12/20 vs. Dubuque
#4 St. Thomas (7-0): 12/20 vs. UW-La Crosse
#5 UW-Stevens Point (7-1): 12/20 vs. Edgewood
#6 UW-Whitewater (8-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-66; 12/18 vs. Cardinal Stritch
#7 Amherst (7-0): IDLE
#8 Augustana (7-2): def. MacMurray, 98-71; 12/19 at Beloit
#9 Buena Vista (8-1): def. Clarke, 82-71
#10 Elmhurst (7-1): def. #41 Fontbonne, 74-61; 12/19 vs. Benedictine; 12/20 vs. TBA
#11 Carnegie Mellon (8-0): def. La Roche, 79-64; 12/20 at #20 Richard Stockton
#12 Elms (9-0): IDLE
#13 Ursinus (5-1): IDLE
#14 Capital (7-1): 12/18 at Ohio Dominican; 12/20 vs. Muskingum
#15 Illinois Wesleyan (5-2): def. Hanover, 76-75 OT; 12/19 vs. Chicago
#16 Centre (7-1): def. Cincinnati-Clermont, 71-54; def. Thomas More, 76-53
#17 St. Mary's (Md.) (7-1): IDLE
#18 Whitworth (6-1): def. Red Deer, 89-53
#19 Ithaca (8-0): IDLE
#20 Richard Stockton (9-1): 12/20 vs. #11 Carnegie Mellon
#21 Puget Sound (5-2): IDLE
#22 Trinity (Texas) (6-1): 12/18 vs. Lakeland (neutral site); 12/19 vs. Marian (neutral site)
#23 Mass-Dartmouth (7-1): IDLE
#24 Texas-Dallas (8-0): 12/18 at Austin
#25 DeSales (8-0): IDLE
#26 Gettysburg (4-2): IDLE
#27 Worcester Polytech (8-2): IDLE
#28 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (7-1): 12/20 at Concordia (Cal.)
#29 Rhode Island College (5-3): IDLE
#30 Roanoke (8-1): IDLE
#31 Millikin (8-0): 12/18 at Knox
#32 Lawrence (6-2): def. Caltech, 96-55; 12/19 at Cal Lutheran
#33 Transylvania (4-1): 12/18 vs. Maryville (Tenn.)
#34 Salem State (7-2): IDLE
T#35 Gordon (7-1): IDLE
T#35 Middlebury (7-2): IDLE
#37 William Paterson (7-1): 12/19 at Lehman
#38 Carleton (6-1): def. Chicago, 62-61
T#39 Bethel (6-1): IDLE
T#39 Loras (5-4): LOST (neutral site) to T#42 Carthage, 70-72; 12/18 vs. Keene State (neutral site)
#41 Fontbonne (6-2): LOST (at home) to #10 Elmhurst, 61-74; 12/18 at Rose-Hulman
T#42 Carthage (6-2): def. Keene State, 84-69; def. T#39 Loras, 72-70
T#42 Franklin and Marshall (7-0): IDLE
T#42 Wooster (5-3): 12/19 at Hawai'i Hilo

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks and +1! 

[Darryl Nester]

Related to the "How They Fared" postings, I need to use the collective wisdom of those who read these boards:  Are there any D3 schools where the men's and women's teams belong to different conferences? (If the answer is yes, I need to make a slight change in my program.)

[pabegg]

Related to the "How They Fared" postings, I need to use the collective wisdom of those who read these boards:  Are there any D3 schools where the men's and women's teams belong to different conferences? (If the answer is yes, I need to make a slight change in my program.)

As far as I know, conference alignments are the same for men and women now.

As recently as last year, Randolph College competed as an independent for the men (as the program was just starting up), but I don't think there are any cases of that in 2008-09.

[Greek Tragedy]

Not sure about basketball, but other sports do.  In the WIAC, I know that they have some Minnesota schools in the gymnastics conference...

[Ralph Turner]

Related to the "How They Fared" postings, I need to use the collective wisdom of those who read these boards:  Are there any D3 schools where the men's and women's teams belong to different conferences? (If the answer is yes, I need to make a slight change in my program.)

As far as I know, conference alignments are the same for men and women now.

As recently as last year, Randolph College competed as an independent for the men (as the program was just starting up), but I don't think there are any cases of that in 2008-09.

Football -- Rochester competes in the LL.  Basketball in the UAA.
Football -- Hamilton in the NESCAC.  Basketball in the LL.

Basektball -- UChicago in Basketball and an independent in Baseball.

UDallas -- men's soccer competed in the NEAC and women's soccer as an independent.
Colorado College -- men's soccer compete in the SCAC and the women in D-1.

There are several affiliates in football, e.g., Catholic from the Landmark in basketball and ODAC in football.  Maryville in the USA South in Football and GSAC in basketball.

I hope that that helps you in writing your program.

[Hugenerd]

+101 Elms
+79 Carnegie Mellon
+58 Illinois Wesleyan
+57 Centre
+52 UWSP
+52 Ithaca
+50 Richard Stockton
+48 Texas Dallas
+47 Trinity Texas
+44 Whitworth
+44 DeSales
-27 Salem State
-29 UW La Crosse
-31 Ursinus
-53 NC Wesleyan
-70 Elmhurst
-74 WPI
-82 St. Mary's
-105 Capital
-229 Gettysburg

A good illustration of "poll dynamics."  Carnegie Mellon and Illinois Wesleyan are the 2nd and 3rd biggest movers this week....and neither played a game.

Perhaps a good indicator of OWP and OOWP beginning to take shape?

I think it is more regional voting than OWP or OOWP at this point.  For example, CMU was idle, but the top ranked Great lakes team, Capital, lost.  Therefore, I would guess some voters moved CMU up even more because they are now the top ranked Great Lakes team. 

[Titan Q]

Final:

(#10) Elmhurst 82
(#1) Wash U 75

[magicman]

#20 Richard Stockton 82  #11 Carnegie Mellon 70

#3 UW-Platteville 71  Dubuque 50

#4 St Thomas 94  UW-LaCrosse 87  OT

#14 Capital 72 Muskingum 61

[John Gleich]

Nice win for Elmhurst.  It looks like Ryan Burks really came alive tonight, something that he wasn't able to do in the game that I saw last Saturday night against UWSP.

I wonder how this will shake up the top 25.  There have been quite a few games between common opponents in the top 10.  #5 UWSP has beaten #6 UW Whitewater ans #10 Elmhurst.  #10 Elmhurst lost to Point and beat #1 Wash U.  #1 Wash U lost to #10 Elmhurst and beat #8 Augustana.  Augie lost to UW La Crosse, whom both Elmhurst and St. Thomas have beaten. 

I wonder what will happen to Wash U's 23 1st place votes.  They likely will retain some... but probably not all.  Wheaton will likely be a beneficiary, as will Platteville.  Will St. Thomas or Amherst get any, as they're both still undefeated?  And what about top 10 teams that have a loss (Point, WW, Elmhurst, Buena Vista)?

I think this game kind of brings Wash U back down to earth... they're still the defending champs, but they have a little less of that aura...

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared -- Complete

#1 Washington U. (9-1): def. Eureka, 95-72; LOST at #10 Elmhurst, 75-82
#2 Wheaton (Ill.) (8-0): IDLE
#3 UW-Platteville (10-0): def. Dubuque, 71-50
#4 St. Thomas (8-0): def. UW-La Crosse, 94-87 OT
#5 UW-Stevens Point (8-1): def. Edgewood, 93-63
#6 UW-Whitewater (9-1): def. UW-Oshkosh, 75-66; def. Cardinal Stritch, 90-68
#7 Amherst (7-0): IDLE
#8 Augustana (8-2): def. MacMurray, 98-71; def. Beloit, 87-65
#9 Buena Vista (8-1): def. Clarke, 82-71
#10 Elmhurst (9-1): def. #41 Fontbonne, 74-61; def. Benedictine, 89-83; def. #1 Washington U., 82-75
#11 Carnegie Mellon (8-1): def. La Roche, 79-64; LOST at #20 Richard Stockton, 70-82
#12 Elms (9-0): IDLE
#13 Ursinus (5-1): IDLE
#14 Capital (9-1): def. Ohio Dominican, 77-63; def. Muskingum, 72-61
#15 Illinois Wesleyan (6-2): def. Hanover, 76-75 OT; def. Chicago, 70-55
#16 Centre (7-1): def. Cincinnati-Clermont, 71-54; def. Thomas More, 76-53
#17 St. Mary's (Md.) (7-1): IDLE
#18 Whitworth (6-1): def. Red Deer, 89-53
#19 Ithaca (8-0): IDLE
#20 Richard Stockton (10-1): def. #11 Carnegie Mellon, 82-70
#21 Puget Sound (5-2): IDLE
#22 Trinity (Texas) (8-1): def. Lakeland, 83-52; def. Marian, 62-49
#23 Mass-Dartmouth (7-1): IDLE
#24 Texas-Dallas (9-0): def. Austin, 72-63
#25 DeSales (8-0): IDLE

#26 Gettysburg (4-2): IDLE
#27 Worcester Polytech (8-2): IDLE
#28 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (7-2): LOST at Concordia (Cal.), 74-95
#29 Rhode Island College (5-3): IDLE
#30 Roanoke (8-1): IDLE
#31 Millikin (8-0): IDLE
#32 Lawrence (6-3): def. Caltech, 96-55; LOST at Cal Lutheran, 65-85
#33 Transylvania (5-1): def. Maryville (Tenn.), 85-79
#34 Salem State (7-2): IDLE
T#35 Gordon (7-1): IDLE
T#35 Middlebury (7-2): IDLE
#37 William Paterson (7-1): 12/19 at Lehman -- postponed
#38 Carleton (6-1): def. Chicago, 62-61
T#39 Bethel (6-1): IDLE
T#39 Loras (6-4): LOST (neutral site) to T#42 Carthage, 70-72; def. Keene State, 80-65
#41 Fontbonne (6-3): LOST (at home) to #10 Elmhurst, 61-74; LOST at Rose-Hulman, 62-73
T#42 Carthage (6-2): def. Keene State, 84-69; def. T#39 Loras, 72-70
T#42 Franklin and Marshall (7-0): IDLE
T#42 Wooster (5-4): LOST at Hawai'i Hilo, 77-90

[Marty Peretz]

So when does the poll finally come out?

I like Platteville at 1, Wheaton at 2, WU dropping to three, Stevens Point coming in at 4, and St.Thomas coming in at 5. Whitewater and Amherst stay where they are, with Elmhurst checking in at 8, Augie falling to 9 and Buena Vista rounding out the top 10. It's a tough poll since the only top 15 team that lost was the number 1 squad and they lost on the road at no.10, so you can't drop them too far (now would I since I am a WU alum and die hard fan).

[Pat Coleman]

We're still chasing a couple of votes. 

[scottiedawg]

+94 Elmhurst
+85 Richard Stockton
+59 Ithaca
+50 Capital
+33 UW Platteville
+20 Roanoke
+14 Wheaton
+14 UW Stevens Point
-11 Salem State
-12 Buena Vista
-18 Amherst
-18 Lawrence
-19 Rhode Island Col
-28 Claremont Mudd Scripps
-61 St. Mary's
-86 Washington U
-161 Carnegie Mellon

[OxyBob]

Lawrence received 6 points in the new poll and Carthage received 3. Cal Lutheran, which is 6-1 and handily defeated both Lawrence and Carthage, doesn't appear in the poll.

What a joke.

OxyBob