Top 25 talk

[T990]

Does anyone have a link that works for the Massey Ratings this season for D3 Mens Basketball?

I've used  www.masseyratings.com in the past, but it does not come up with anything this season for me.  Thanks in advance.

[Hugenerd]

Does anyone have a link that works for the Massey Ratings this season for D3 Mens Basketball?

I've used  www.masseyratings.com in the past, but it does not come up with anything this season for me.  Thanks in advance.

Thats the right link, if you notice the football rankings are up but the basketball are not yet.  Im guessing it will be up sometime this month, I dont remember when it has been in the past though.

[T990]

In lieu of Massey, I did find this on the web.

Division III Men's College Basketball
Computer Ratings and Conference Standings

"These ratings are calculated using the computer rating system developed by David Wilson."

http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml

[Darryl Nester]

T990:  A related discussion came up in the women's Top 25 board.

I did a little more poking around this morning, and found that this is an issue with Massey's web pages.  The link on the front page at masseyratings.com is to
    http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb
which, as you found, leads to a page that simply reports "Rating not available for cb2009."  However,
    http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb2009
leads to a page with complete rankings ... but for D1 only.  By contrast, last season's results are here:
    http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb2008
and include all NCAA divisions, as well as NAIA, etc.

I'll drop Massey a note to point out the faulty link, and ask about why they're only listing D1 this year.

[Darryl Nester]

Good news on the Massey rankings; hugenerd was correct in his speculation that they would be up soon. Here is my message to Ken Massey:

I noticed this morning that the front-page link to college men's basketball is
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb
but it should be
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb2009
Likewise, the women's link should be http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw2009. (At present, the links bring up a page that says "Rating not available for cb[w]2009.")

I would also like to ask, are there any plans to add rankings for other divisions (D2, D3, NAIA)?  This has come up as a topic of discussion on the chat boards at d3boards.com.

Thanks!

His response:

Ha!  yes that is supposed to be hidden, but you found it.  I was waiting until I can collect the lower division scores to post the ratings publicly. Should be this weekend. (emphasis added)

(Unfortunately, it appears that women's rankings are still limited to D1...at least, last year's rankings only included D1.)

[Hugenerd]

Good news on the Massey rankings; hugenerd was correct in his speculation that they would be up soon. Here is my message to Ken Massey:

I noticed this morning that the front-page link to college men's basketball is
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb
but it should be
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb2009
Likewise, the women's link should be http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw2009. (At present, the links bring up a page that says "Rating not available for cb[w]2009.")

I would also like to ask, are there any plans to add rankings for other divisions (D2, D3, NAIA)?  This has come up as a topic of discussion on the chat boards at d3boards.com.

Thanks!

His response:

Ha!  yes that is supposed to be hidden, but you found it.  I was waiting until I can collect the lower division scores to post the ratings publicly. Should be this weekend. (emphasis added)

(Unfortunately, it appears that women's rankings are still limited to D1...at least, last year's rankings only included D1.)

Unfortunately, this is what usually end up happening with the non-commercial divisions.  On a positive note, the NCAA rankings are now up for d3 through 1/4 (they started a bit later than for d1 as well):

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary

[Ralph Turner]

Good news on the Massey rankings; hugenerd was correct in his speculation that they would be up soon. Here is my message to Ken Massey:

I noticed this morning that the front-page link to college men's basketball is
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb
but it should be
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb2009
Likewise, the women's link should be http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw2009. (At present, the links bring up a page that says "Rating not available for cb[w]2009.")

I would also like to ask, are there any plans to add rankings for other divisions (D2, D3, NAIA)?  This has come up as a topic of discussion on the chat boards at d3boards.com.

Thanks!

His response:

Ha!  yes that is supposed to be hidden, but you found it.  I was waiting until I can collect the lower division scores to post the ratings publicly. Should be this weekend. (emphasis added)

(Unfortunately, it appears that women's rankings are still limited to D1...at least, last year's rankings only included D1.)

Unfortunately, this is what usually end up happening with the non-commercial divisions.  On a positive note, the NCAA rankings are now up for d3 through 1/4 (they started a bit later than for d1 as well):

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary

I would be happy with stats if they began after 1/3 of the season.

[Hugenerd]

Good news on the Massey rankings; hugenerd was correct in his speculation that they would be up soon. Here is my message to Ken Massey:

I noticed this morning that the front-page link to college men's basketball is
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb
but it should be
   http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb2009
Likewise, the women's link should be http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw2009. (At present, the links bring up a page that says "Rating not available for cb[w]2009.")

I would also like to ask, are there any plans to add rankings for other divisions (D2, D3, NAIA)?  This has come up as a topic of discussion on the chat boards at d3boards.com.

Thanks!

His response:

Ha!  yes that is supposed to be hidden, but you found it.  I was waiting until I can collect the lower division scores to post the ratings publicly. Should be this weekend. (emphasis added)

(Unfortunately, it appears that women's rankings are still limited to D1...at least, last year's rankings only included D1.)

Unfortunately, this is what usually end up happening with the non-commercial divisions.  On a positive note, the NCAA rankings are now up for d3 through 1/4 (they started a bit later than for d1 as well):

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary

I would be happy with stats if they began after 1/3 of the season.

Ralph, by 1/4 I meant January 4th (not 1/4 of the season).  If this is what you meant with your response.

[sac]

In lieu of Massey, I did find this on the web.

Division III Men's College Basketball
Computer Ratings and Conference Standings

"These ratings are calculated using the computer rating system developed by David Wilson."

http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml

I checked these last night and they have a major flaw.  They only rate NAIA or non-NCAA teams if they play an NCAA team.  So their numbers are incomplete.

[Ralph Turner]

Yes, hugenerd.  I agree!   

Jan 4th. 1/4. One-quarter of the season. 1/3. Third of January.  A third of the season. Yep!   

[magicman]

Ithaca 122 -90 over Nazareth. Ithaca never in trouble. Up by 22 at the break they coast to their 12 straight win.

[Mr. Ypsi]

This seems an obvious place for a shameless plug - the first Posters' Poll for this season covers games thru Jan. 11.  Many of the regulars here are already voters, but we invite anyone with a genuine interest in ALL of d3.

The Posters' Poll is in no way in competition with the d3hoops.com poll (the gold standard for d3 polls), but can raise very interesting conversations - WHY do you think team X is under (or over) rated? 

If interested, check out the Posters' Poll thread, and send ballots by PM to Mr. Ypsi by about 6pm 1-13 (and each Tuesday thereafter).  I'm hoping to be worked much harder than last year, when we usually had only 8-10 voters - c'mon, see if I can cope with 20-25 ballots!

[magicman]

#13 Richard Stockton goes to 13-2 with a 77-76 win over #29 William Paterson in a barnburning Quadruple (that's right 4) overtime victory. Haven't heard of one of those in any division this year. William Paterson drops to 10-2.

[Hugenerd]

#13 Richard Stockton goes to 13-2 with a 77-76 win over #29 William Paterson in a barnburning Quadruple (that's right 4) overtime victory. Haven't heard of one of those in any division this year. William Paterson drops to 10-2.

Stevenson and York (PA) played a 4 OT game on December 6.

[Greek Tragedy]

Was there no shot clock in the overtimes? lol...

Score by Periods                1st  2nd   OT  OT2  OT3  OT4   Total
William Paterson..............   22   32    8    7    2    5  -   76
Richard Stockton..............   21   33    8    7    2    6  -   77

Stevens Point and River Falls comined for 31 in ONE overtime on Wednesday.