Top 25 talk

[Ralph Turner]

Was there no shot clock in the overtimes? lol...

Score by Periods	1st	2nd	OT	OT2	OT3	OT4	-	Total
William Paterson..............	22	32	8	7	2	5	-	76
Richard Stockton..............	21	33	8	7	2	6	-	77

Stevens Point and River Falls combined for 31 in ONE overtime on Wednesday.

Were there no fouls committed?

That is anohter question!

[Greek Tragedy]

In the 2nd OT, the last team scored with 4:13 left on the clock. 

In the four OTs, RS was 5-8 and WP was 6-9.

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[Mr. Ypsi]

"Typical" night of carnage in the CCIW, as #7 Augie, #10 Elmhurst, and #19 IWU all fall.  "Oddly", #1 Wheaton survived!

[April]

"Typical" night of carnage in the CCIW, as #7 Augie, #10 Elmhurst, and #19 IWU all fall.  "Oddly", #1 Wheaton survived!

So a 19pt win on the road classifies as "surviving"? 

[Mr. Ypsi]

"Typical" night of carnage in the CCIW, as #7 Augie, #10 Elmhurst, and #19 IWU all fall.  "Oddly", #1 Wheaton survived!

So a 19pt win on the road classifies as "surviving"? 

Probably not, but ANY win by a 'favorite' in the CCIW is "surviving"!

[sac]

"Typical" night of carnage in the CCIW, as #7 Augie, #10 Elmhurst, and #19 IWU all fall.  "Oddly", #1 Wheaton survived!

Would it be less typical if fewer CCIW teams were ranked?

[Mr. Ypsi]

"Typical" night of carnage in the CCIW, as #7 Augie, #10 Elmhurst, and #19 IWU all fall.  "Oddly", #1 Wheaton survived!

Would it be less typical if fewer CCIW teams were ranked?

Alas, I fear there will be one less (IWU) this coming week.

[iwumichigander]

"Typical" night of carnage in the CCIW, as #7 Augie, #10 Elmhurst, and #19 IWU all fall.  "Oddly", #1 Wheaton survived!

Would it be less typical if fewer CCIW teams were ranked?

Alas, I fear there will be one less (IWU) this coming week.

You're likely correct Mr Ypsi.  And no, SAC, ranked or not, a single night of carnage not usual in the CCIW.   Only one 'home' team winning was not typical; nor, was a 2 OT loss by another home team to a projected dead last in the coaches' pre-season poll typical.

On a seperate note, Wheaton's All American Kent Raymond has now strung three consecutive 30+ PPG together.  He has simply taken his game to an entirely new and even higher level than last season, if that's possible.

[Ralph Turner]

A word about the South region...

I have started a South Region Rankings and Playoff thread to tide us over until the Regional Rankings are released on February 4th.  South Region Rankings and Playoffs

As I researched the rankings, I found these "criteria" gems.  (W/L Records are listed by overall/ in-region/ conference.)

1) RMC (ODAC 10-3/9-0/4-0) undefeated in-region but non-region losses to W&J and DeSales.  Has most of the "meat" of the ODAC schedule ahead of it, but RMC only plays Guilford, Roanoke and EMU once in conference play...easier than expected!
 
2) Trinity (SCAC-West 12-1/10-1/5-0) beat rival Southwestern on the road on Friday night; must go to Centre and DePauw but catches Oglethorpe at home (crossover single round robin).  OT loss at home to UWSP in November, but has home win over ASC-West foe UMHB.  TU might easily go 23-2 overall/20-2 in-region!

3) UTD (ASC-East 12-1/10-1/7-1) destroyed Guilford 64-48.  That was the lowest Guilford offensive output that I could find this decade (corrections appreciated). The Comets play a beautiful brand of half-court ball.  Very smart, mature players.  They do not beat themselves.  Have a crossover win over UMHB and a road loss to McMurry.  The ASC-East is very tough and balanced this season.  (ASC-East perennial power Mississippi College is tied for 4th this morning after crossover play!)  I think that UTD will lose two road games in the East and go 10-2.  The ASC-East winner hosts the 8-team post-season tourney!  In-region record might go 20-3 and 22-3 overall.

4)  Roanoke (ODAC 12-1/8-1/4-0) has an in-region split with Muskingum (OAC).  Plays Guilford tomorrow night at home and goes to the Quakers on Jan 28th.  Other ODAC games include hosting VWC and going to EMU whom they beat last night.  Currently 12-1 overall /8-1 in-region /4-0 conference with 12 conference games remaining.  ODAC fans...any prognostications on Roanoke in their next 12 games?

5)  Guilford (ODAC 10-2/ 9-2/ 3-0 ) has an in-region win over UT-Tyler (neutral floor) and the loss at UT-Dallas.  They also have a loss in December to NCWC, but wins over Averett, Greensboro and Methodist.  The Quakers have a non-region win over McDaniel.  The ODAC schedule includes the Roanoke game tomorrow night, the Roanoke road trip on Jan 28th, and at EMU on February 11th.  Comments ODAC fans.

6T) NCWC (USAC 9-3/4-1/0-0) has 12 conference games to play.  Their non-region losses include home loss 87-96 to St Vincent, and at mediocre Neumann, 71-73.  NCWC lost to the Marlins at Virginia Wesleyan 59-84.  The in-region wins include HSC, E&H, Guilford and Mary Washington.  Who gets into the rankings from the USA South is still up for grabs, as USAC play begins on Tuesday.

6T)  LeTourneau  (ASC-E 9-4/8-2/7-1) is in a 3-way tie in the ASC-East.  LETU has a very athletic team with in-region losses to UWW 58-69 and McMurry 63-65.  The LeTU in-region (non-conference) win was over Lake Forest. The ASC-East is so strong that Mississippi College, who has an exhibition win over D-1 Alcorn State, is tied for fourth.  ASC-East double round robin play begins this week. The one (UT-Dallas, LeTourneau, UT-Tyler or Mississippi College or even UOzarks) who  earns the conference post-season tourney by winning the division will have been battle-tested.

8 ) McMurry (ASC-West 8-4/7-2/7-1) has a 3 game lead on UMHB (which beat UWW 73-67 in December) and Concordia-Austin in the ASC-West.  Non-conference games were at D-1 UTSA and at D-1 Texas State and then in Las Vegas with a 66-69 in-region loss to CCIW's North Central and a win over St Vincent PA 82-78 (common opponent with NCWC).  After a 3-3 start, McMurry has gone 5-1 (loss to D-1 Texas State).  The in-region loss was at UT-Tyler in the 4th game of the season.  McMurry has in-region wins over LeTU, UT-Dallas and Mississippi College. They have thirteen regular season games remaining.  In the conference tourney, West #1 will open against East #4, which could be anyone of five strong teams.

Comments are appreciated.

[sac]

On a seperate note, Wheaton's All American Kent Raymond has now strung three consecutive 30+ PPG together.  He has simply taken his game to an entirely new and even higher level than last season, if that's possible.

higher.........or is he just continueing where he left off?

ELMHURST COLLEGE          2/23/08   78-69  W    37-Raymond, Kent 
vs Illinois Wesleyan      02/29/08  78-81   L  34-Raymond,                                                                                                                   
vs Loras College          3/8/08    76-73  W    36-Raymond, Kent
WHTW                      03-14-08  76-67  W    47-Raymond, Kent

[LogShow]

that kid sure can flat out score

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25
#1 Wheaton (Ill.) (13-0): def. #19 Illinois Wesleyan, 74-70; def. North Park, 93-74
#2 St. Thomas (12-0): def. #36 Bethel, 73-64; def. Carleton, 83-72
#3 Washington U. (11-1): def. Webster, 68-55; def. Chicago, 74-62
#4 UW-Platteville (13-2): def. UW-Oshkosh, 81-59; LOST (at home) to #6 UW-Stevens Point, 66-73 OT
#5 Amherst (10-1): LOST at Wesleyan, 69-72; def. Williams, 65-60
#6 UW-Stevens Point (11-2): def. UW-River Falls, 94-87 OT; def. #4 UW-Platteville, 73-66 OT
#7 Augustana (11-3): def. #10 Elmhurst, 56-55; LOST at Carthage, 57-66
#8 Buena Vista (12-1): def. Cornell, 71-68; def. Central, 77-76 OT
#9 UW-Whitewater (13-2): def. UW-La Crosse, 92-86; def. UW-Eau Claire, 96-88
#10 Elmhurst (9-4): LOST at #7 Augustana, 55-56; LOST (at home) to #40 Millikin, 84-91 2OT
#11 Capital (12-1): def. Mount Union, 89-79; def. #41 Ohio Northern, 96-88 OT
#12 Ithaca (12-1): def. Utica, 87-64; def. Nazareth, 122-90; LOST at Rochester Tech, 84-87
#13 Richard Stockton (13-2): LOST at New Jersey, 73-79; def. T#29 William Paterson, 77-76 4OT
#14 Carnegie Mellon (11-2): def. #32 New York University, 78-57; LOST at Brandeis, 57-69
#15 Whitworth (11-2): def. Willamette, 69-68; LOST at Linfield, 79-88
#16 Trinity (Texas) (12-1): def. Southwestern, 75-73
#17 Puget Sound (11-2): def. Pacific Lutheran, 77-60; def. George Fox, 87-60
#18 Elms (11-1): def. Becker, 77-62
#19 Illinois Wesleyan (8-5): LOST at #1 Wheaton (Ill.), 70-74; LOST (at home) to North Central (Ill.), 70-77
#20 Mass-Dartmouth (11-1): def. Roger Williams, 69-68 OT; def. Keene State, 85-73
#21 Ursinus (6-5): LOST at Johns Hopkins, 70-73; LOST (at home) to McDaniel, 72-84
#22 Roanoke (12-1): def. Emory and Henry, 101-86; def. Eastern Mennonite, 80-77
#23 St. Norbert (10-1): def. Beloit, 77-44; def. Ripon, 74-62
#24 Texas-Dallas (12-1): def. Hardin-Simmons, 79-62; def. Texas Lutheran, 83-69; def. Schreiner, 78-48
#25 Anderson (11-3): def. Earlham, 81-74; def. Defiance, 75-68

Others receiving votes
#26 Franklin and Marshall (11-0): def. Swarthmore, 92-67; def. Washington College, 75-68
#27 Gettysburg (8-2): def. Washington College, 77-69; def. Muhlenberg, 51-49
#28 Centre (10-3): def. Rhodes, 87-50; def. Birmingham-Southern, 69-59
T#29 St. Mary's (Md.) (11-2): def. Salisbury, 63-52; def. Hood, 92-72
T#29 William Paterson (10-2): def. New Jersey City, 62-52; LOST at #13 Richard Stockton, 76-77 4OT
#31 Middlebury (12-2): def. Plattsburgh State, 68-64; def. Colby-Sawyer, 65-55; def. Skidmore, 72-62
#32 New York University (9-2): def. Oneonta State, 62-55; LOST (at home) to #14 Carnegie Mellon, 57-78; LOST (at home) to Rochester, 68-79
#33 DeSales (11-1): def. Eastern, 73-64; def. Alvernia, 65-44
T#34 Mary Hardin-Baylor (6-6): def. Concordia-Austin, 92-77; def. Louisiana College, 74-53; LOST at Mississippi College, 85-89 OT
T#34 St. John Fisher (9-2): LOST at Rochester Tech, 36-56; def. Utica, 48-46; def. Elmira, 70-58
#36 Bethel (9-2): def. Hamline, 90-75; LOST (at home) to #2 St. Thomas, 64-73; def. St. Olaf, 81-72
#37 Salem State (10-2): IDLE
#38 Worcester Polytech (10-3): def. Coast Guard, 59-55; def. Springfield, 76-55
#39 Randolph-Macon (10-3): def. Bridgewater (Va.), 78-61; def. Hampden-Sydney, 79-59; def. Christopher Newport, 76-64
#40 Millikin (10-2): LOST (at home) to Carthage, 55-63; def. #10 Elmhurst, 91-84 2OT
#41 Ohio Northern (10-4): LOST (at home) to Wilmington, 71-78; LOST at #11 Capital, 88-96 OT
#42 Wooster (8-5): def. Kenyon, 74-64; LOST at Wabash, 58-75

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
--- Cal Lutheran (9-3): def. Occidental, 53-46
--- Mount Union (9-5): LOST (at home) to #11 Capital, 79-89; LOST at Wilmington, 76-79
--- St. Joseph's (L.I.) (9-2): LOST (at home) to Farmingdale State, 67-84; def. SUNY-Purchase, 72-71


Note: The "Other teams" list will be reset after tonight. That is, if you want to see a report on any team(s) not receiving votes in tomorrow's poll, you'll need to let me know.

[sac]

Maybe time to start tracking Hiram just 9-4 but in first place in the NCAC, and Wilmington 10-4, tied for 1st in the OAC

Is St. Vincent still provisional?  They're 12-2.

Milwaukee Engineering is 9-3

[Ralph Turner]

Maybe time to start tracking Hiram just 9-4 but in first place in the NCAC, and Wilmington 10-4, tied for 1st in the OAC

Is St. Vincent still provisional?  They're 12-2.

Milwaukee Engineering is 9-3

St Vincent is 3rd-year provisional.

[old ends]

I think Ursinus has lived on last years run long enough and should, more than likely, drop from the top 25. Other teams have played better. One of Ursinus's hot shooters is out for the season and it has shown it's effects.