Top 25 talk

[scottiedawg]

I'm curious as to how Wheaton will be treated in the poll. Is it possible that the injury to Kent Raymond could cause Wheaton to drop even though to this point they are still undefeated. Any thoughts?

Well I'm posting this after the poll came out, but I couldn't see the voters dropping Wheaton because of Raymond's injury.  Losses by Wheaton because of the injury will take care of their ranking.  However, the selection committee could drop Wheaton, much like Cincinnati was hurt by Kenyon Martin's injury in 1999.

[sac]

Injuries aren't part of the selection committee's criteria in any fashion.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Injuries aren't part of the selection committee's criteria in any fashion.

And thank heaven for that!  I'm STILL p!ssed off about the 1973 vote that sent OSU to the Rose Bowl when Michigan had out-played them but 'suffered' a 10-10 tie (leaving both undefeated).  The excuse was the injury to qb Dennis Franklin, but he was healthy by the Rose Bowl.  (And, of course, the Big Ten allowed no bowls other than the Rose in those days, so one of the best teams UM ever had stayed home entirely.)

It seems highly unlikely that Wheaton can long remain #1 without Raymond, but there is no way it should happen before they lose.

[Greek Tragedy]

Injuries aren't part of the selection committee's criteria in any fashion.

In the d3hoops subjective poll, injuries do, right?  Not the NCAAs though.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Injuries aren't part of the selection committee's criteria in any fashion.

In the d3hoops subjective poll, injuries do, right?  Not the NCAAs though.

I'd expect the answer is probably yes, but it is to the voters' credit that Wheaton has not been 'punished' prematurely.  My understanding of human nature tells me that if and when they lose, they may fall further than they would have if they still had Raymond.

[Ralph Turner]

University of Ozarks beat UT-Dallas tonight in Dallas, 68-66.

Ozarks is a mature athletic team, that matches well with a disciplined half-court team like UT-Dallas.

UOzarks has two close non-region losses (Webster and Maryville MO) on a road trip to St Louis in November.  (438 miles from Clarksville AR, on I-40, to St Louis).  Ozarks also had a home win over Hendrix 64-61 to open the season.  Ozarks also had the misfortune to catch to two tougher (ASC-West) travel pairs on the road in crossover play.  They went 1-3 versus McM, UMHB Concordia-Austin and HSU whom they beat. Those road trips are both 500 miles from Clarksville, one way.  (Ozarks to Texas-Dallas is 321 miles.)

This win re-affirms that the ASC-East is a five team race this year.  The winner hosts the 8-team post-season tourney!

Parity!  Just let the ASC settle out! 

It doesn't do much for Top 25 rankings, but the races are very competitive!

[John Gleich]

I'm curious as to how Wheaton will be treated in the poll. Is it possible that the injury to Kent Raymond could cause Wheaton to drop even though to this point they are still undefeated. Any thoughts?

Wheaton won't drop until they actually lose.  And should they lose sans Raymond, they might not actually fall as far as they would have, with him.

[sac]

I'm curious as to how Wheaton will be treated in the poll. Is it possible that the injury to Kent Raymond could cause Wheaton to drop even though to this point they are still undefeated. Any thoughts?

Wheaton won't drop until they actually lose.  And should they lose sans Raymond, they might not actually fall as far as they would have, with him.

Might depend on who they lose to and in what light the voters hold whatever CCIW team it turns out to be.

Next four, Carthage, Elmhurst @ North Central, @ Augustana, ...........2 are ranked, a third receiving votes.

[Pat Coleman]

Or, they might drop and start edging back upward if Kent Raymond comes back and demonstrates that he's back to normal, or at least in the ballpark.

I know a couple of voters were pondering switching their No. 1 vote, but neither of them did.

[Greek Tragedy]

or at least in the ballpark.

Ballpark?  It ain't in no ballpark; It ain't in the same league; Heck, it ain't even in the same sport!

That's my Pulp Fiction quote for the day.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Who voted for 13 Days in the poll?  Twice the boom mic made a lengthy appearance in shots, but was less conspicuous than Costner's magical disappearing accent.

[Darryl Nester]

Kenneth Massey just notified me that the rankings are now posted for all divisions at his site:

• http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb (for men)
• http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw (for women)

[sac]

Kenneth Massey just notified me that the rankings are now posted for all divisions at his site:

• http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb (for men)
• http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw (for women)

Thanks for the link

One caution, they have Calvin 9-6 and are counting a game vs Ferris State as a loss.  That was an exhibition game.   So I have some questions about how accurate some things are.

[magicman]

 #9 Amherst falls to visiting Brandeis 73-58. Tied at 44 at the 10:20 mark,  the Judges go on a 19-6 run to grab a 13 pt lead at 63-50 with 3:24 to play. The foul parade started soon after to account for the final score

[Hugenerd]

#9 Amherst falls to visiting Brandeis 73-58. Tied at 44 at the 10:20  the Judges go on a 19-6 run to grab a 13 pt lead at 63-50 with 3:24 to play. The foul parade started soon after to account for the final score

This was Amherst's chance to get a significant out of conference win (they do still have RIC near the end of the season on the road), but instead they ended up losing badly at home because of their poor play over the final 10 minutes.  Their only out of conference wins against teams with winning records are now Lasell (9-4), Westfield State (9-6), and Babson (8-7), not exactly a who's who of top New England teams.  With the NESCAC seemingly down this year (Massey has them ranked as the #15 conference in the country, behind #14 NEWMAC in NE), will their very subpar out of conference schedule come to haunt them come tournament time for seeding (or selection, if it comes to that).  With two losses, it is obviously not time to panic, but if they drop a couple more games in conference and then lose to RIC, they could quickly find themselves with 5 or 6 losses and on the bubble.