Top 25 talk

[oldchap]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best. They have since won 5 straight and beat Claremont, which is currently ranked #37, and are undefeated in the Conference so far. It remains to be seen, but they could be the runaway team in the SCIAC this year and win it all.

On a side note, I am glad that Chapman is finally getting some recognition. I know that their Strength of Schedule could be better, but this year I believe that they deserve to make it to the playoff, and maybe, who knows, have a nice run...

[Greek Tragedy]

Nice work Darryl!

[LogShow]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best. They have since won 5 straight and beat Claremont, which is currently ranked #37, and are undefeated in the Conference so far. It remains to be seen, but they could be the runaway team in the SCIAC this year and win it all.

On a side note, I am glad that Chapman is finally getting some recognition. I know that their Strength of Schedule could be better, but this year I believe that they deserve to make it to the playoff, and maybe, who knows, have a nice run...

Oldchap,

Does Pomona's coaches really let their players go study abroad and miss the first part of the season?  I am pretty suprised by that.  Not only would not be midseason form or rusty.  But it seems like it could really throw a wrench in the chemistry of the team.  If I was a guy on the team that was now going to lose mins because some guy went abroad and now is back and ready to play I would be upset.  You have already put all the time and effort in. 

I am pretty familar with the teams in the NWC, especially Puget Sound, and I don't think I have heard of a player doing that.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

[Greek Tragedy]

Sometimes education and experience is more important than sports...especially if you only miss a semester of it.  As much as I loved playing my college sport, if I had a chance/money to do it, I wouldn't hesitate to go abroad.

[ephoops]

How far does Amhesrt drop with its loss to Branseis?

It looks like the Northeast is wide open this year...

[Hugenerd]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best. They have since won 5 straight and beat Claremont, which is currently ranked #37, and are undefeated in the Conference so far. It remains to be seen, but they could be the runaway team in the SCIAC this year and win it all.

On a side note, I am glad that Chapman is finally getting some recognition. I know that their Strength of Schedule could be better, but this year I believe that they deserve to make it to the playoff, and maybe, who knows, have a nice run...

Oldchap,

Does Pomona's coaches really let their players go study abroad and miss the first part of the season?  I am pretty suprised by that.  Not only would not be midseason form or rusty.  But it seems like it could really throw a wrench in the chemistry of the team.  If I was a guy on the team that was now going to lose mins because some guy went abroad and now is back and ready to play I would be upset.  You have already put all the time and effort in. 

I am pretty familar with the teams in the NWC, especially Puget Sound, and I don't think I have heard of a player doing that.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I have heard of players taking an entire season off for study abroad, but not returning in the middle of the season (for the reasons you outlined).  There was also a case a couple of years back at MIT, where a player took 1 month off in the middle of the season (January) to do an internship and he was not allowed to return to the team that season (and a player vote had to be taken to allow him to return the following season).  I agree with you, something like that could really mess with team chemistry unless everyone on the team are very good friends, including the players coming back.

[oldchap]

Does Pomona's coaches really let their players go study abroad and miss the first part of the season?  I am pretty suprised by that.  Not only would not be midseason form or rusty.  But it seems like it could really throw a wrench in the chemistry of the team.  If I was a guy on the team that was now going to lose mins because some guy went abroad and now is back and ready to play I would be upset.  You have already put all the time and effort in. 

I am pretty familar with the teams in the NWC, especially Puget Sound, and I don't think I have heard of a player doing that.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

I don't know the Pomona coach very well, but it seems that Pomona being a top 10 College Nationwide (according to World and News Report), high achievement in academics is at least as important (if not more) as excelling in basketball. In the case of the 3 returning players, first they were probably juniors or seniors, therefore well adapted to the team already, and they were also key players (starters) in the Pomona team. Pomona's playing style is not so based on set plays or a very rigid system. It's a more fluid, more "spontaneous" basketball and the outside shooters are generally very good. So, they probably got back into it pretty quickly. The fact that they beat Claremont this year is no small feat, in my opinion. They wouldn't have been able to do it without these 3 returning players.

As for Chapman, I know for a fact that the coach allows for occasionally missing a practice because of a class, but would not allow any players going away for any length of time during the season. That would be the end of their basketball career at Chapman for sure!

[Gregory Sager]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best.

You mean "non-conference", not preseason.

(Hey, this is the first time that I've had to post this notice in about two months. My campaign to nag and nitpick over this point must be having an effect. )

[sac]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best.

You mean "non-conference", not preseason.

(Hey, this is the first time that I've had to post this notice in about two months. My campaign to nag and nitpick over this point must be having an effect. )

affect or effect?  jk


af⋅fect1   /v. əˈfɛkt; n. ˈæfɛkt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation  [v. uh-fekt; n. af-ekt] Show IPA Pronunciation 

–verb (used with object) 1. to act on; produce an effect or change in

I really can't believe they use the word effect to define affect.   

[Ralph Turner]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best.

You mean "non-conference", not preseason.

(Hey, this is the first time that I've had to post this notice in about two months. My campaign to nag and nitpick over this point must be having an effect. )

affect or effect?  jk


af⋅fect1   /v. əˈfɛkt; n. ˈæfɛkt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation  [v. uh-fekt; n. af-ekt] Show IPA Pronunciation 

–verb (used with object) 1. to act on; produce an effect or change in

I really can't believe they use the word effect to define affect.   

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/glossaries/f/082108AffectEff.htm

It's all Latin.   

[LogShow]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best.

You mean "non-conference", not preseason.

(Hey, this is the first time that I've had to post this notice in about two months. My campaign to nag and nitpick over this point must be having an effect. )

Sager, do you have a computer program the picks out when a poster mixes up preseason and noncoference?  I don't know if you have ever missed one on any of the boards...lol.  You could have been an editor 

[Hugenerd]

Big UAA and Top 25 game tomorrow as #18 CMU hosts #3 WashU.  The game is at noon and will be webcast live at:

http://www.cmu.edu/athletics/video/webcast.html

[Gregory Sager]

I would seriously recommend Pomona as a team to watch. Their record doesn't show it, simply because 3 of their best players were studying abroad during the first semester. As a consequence,their pre-season was mediocre at best.

You mean "non-conference", not preseason.

(Hey, this is the first time that I've had to post this notice in about two months. My campaign to nag and nitpick over this point must be having an effect. )

Sager, do you have a computer program the picks out when a poster mixes up preseason and noncoference?

No, but if some ambitious software writer would like to construct one ... 

You could have been an editor 

I was an editor, and if my job search is successful I might become one again.

[LogShow]

lol, so that explains it   

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Nearly Complete)

I cannot find the Chapman/La Sierra score from Friday (provided by magicman), and the Chapman/UC-Santa Cruz is still pending, but everything else is (I believe) up to date.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	618	Wheaton (Ill.)	15-2	LOST to #36 Carthage, 54-55; LOST to #19 Elmhurst, 57-70
#2	602	St. Thomas	17-0	def. Hamline, 64-59; def. Concordia-Moorhead, 83-61; def. St. Olaf, 73-61
#3	578	Washington U.	15-1	def. T#37 Rochester, 73-42; def. #18 Carnegie Mellon, 90-70
#4	540	UW-Stevens Point	15-2	def. UW-Eau Claire, 80-60; def. UW-Oshkosh, 80-70
#5	483	UW-Platteville	16-2	def. #7 UW-Whitewater, 86-78; def. UW-Stout, 55-51
#6	478	Buena Vista	16-2	LOST at Wartburg, 66-80; def. Luther, 66-51; def. Simpson, 83-56
#7	461	UW-Whitewater	15-3	LOST at #5 UW-Platteville, 78-86; def. UW-Superior, 88-73
#8	444	Capital	16-1	def. Marietta, 84-75; def. Baldwin-Wallace, 93-64
#9	436	Amherst	14-2	LOST to Brandeis, 58-73; def. Trinity (Conn.), 65-48
#10	372	Trinity (Texas)	16-1	def. Sewanee, 55-40; def. Oglethorpe, 77-74
#11	339	Puget Sound	15-2	def. Pacific, 93-59; def. Willamette, 100-62
#12	305	Ithaca	15-1	def. Stevens, 84-80
#13	292	Richard Stockton	17-2	def. Rowan, 83-62; def. New Jersey City, 65-57
#14	277	Mass-Dartmouth	14-2	LOST to Rhode Island College, 66-69; def. Western Connecticut, 84-78
#15	264	Augustana	14-4	def. Millikin, 51-43; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 82-66
#16	260	Elms	15-1	def. Lesley, 72-37; def. Wheelock, 89-51
#17	240	St. Norbert	14-1	def. Illinois College, 71-54; def. Knox, 78-52
#18	178	Carnegie Mellon	13-3	def. Lycoming, 71-56; def. Chicago, 64-58; LOST to #3 Washington U., 70-90
#19	162	Elmhurst	13-4	def. North Central (Ill.), 72-66; def. #1 Wheaton (Ill.), 70-57
#20	147	Texas-Dallas	15-2	LOST to University of the Ozarks, 66-68; def. Texas-Tyler, 60-54
#21	135	Roanoke	15-3	def. Randolph, 76-66; LOST to Virginia Wesleyan, 64-82
#22	92	Gettysburg	12-3	def. #24 Franklin and Marshall, 73-66; LOST at Haverford, 45-56
#23	78	William Paterson	14-3	def. Baruch, 70-65; def. Rutgers-Newark, 71-54; LOST at New Jersey, 65-70
#24	65	Franklin and Marshall	14-2	LOST to #22 Gettysburg, 66-73; def. McDaniel, 71-65
#25	51	Middlebury	16-2	def. Connecticut College, 69-50; def. Wesleyan, 67-60

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	50	Whitworth	13-4	def. Whitman, 101-70; LOST at Lewis and Clark, 62-74
#27	37	Anderson	13-5	def. Manchester, 100-62; LOST to Franklin, 67-74
#28	35	St. John Fisher	14-2	def. Alfred, 77-46; def. Nazareth, 83-77
#29	25	Salem State	14-3	def. Framingham State, 97-75; def. Fitchburg State, 63-59; LOST to Bridgewater State, 75-78
#30	21	Randolph-Macon	13-4	LOST at Virginia Wesleyan, 76-82; def. Randolph, 78-45
#31	20	Centre	14-3	def. Hendrix, 65-59; def. Millsaps, 59-56
#32	10	Carroll	13-3	def. Knox, 85-62; def. Grinnell, 132-83
T#33	7	DePauw	13-5	def. Millsaps, 85-83 OT; LOST at Hendrix, 67-78
T#33	7	Worcester Polytech	14-3	def. Babson, 69-65; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 84-69
#35	5	St. Mary's (Md.)	13-4	def. Gallaudet, 84-59; LOST at Wesley, 93-97
#36	4	Carthage	12-5	def. #1 Wheaton (Ill.), 55-54; LOST at North Central (Ill.), 64-76
T#37	2	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	11-5	LOST at Pomona-Pitzer, 51-66; def. La Verne, 71-54
T#37	2	Rochester	12-4	LOST to #3 Washington U., 42-73; def. Chicago, 70-60
#39	1	Chapman	15-3	def. La Sierra, 69-59; LOST (n) to University of Dallas, 59-62; def. UC Santa Cruz, 81-71

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Cal Lutheran	12-4	def. Caltech, 77-52; def. Redlands, 69-52
---	---	Hiram	12-5	def. Allegheny, 65-61; def. Oberlin, 74-59
---	---	Milwaukee Engineering	14-3	def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 88-76; def. Dominican, 65-56; def. Lakeland, 54-46