Top 25 talk

Mr. Ypsi · February 13, 2009, 02:21:15 AM

Quote from: oldchap on February 13, 2009, 01:44:17 AM
Number 31 of the "Top 25" Chapman University posted a big win today (2/12) against Hope International, 68-61. Hope is NAIA Division I, considered to be generally more competitive than NCAA Division III and even though Hope's overall record and Conference records are pretty bleak, it nonetheless shows that Chapman is a very competitive team. Chapman's overall record now stands at 20-3.

Translation: HIU is now 4-18 overall, 1-13 in conference.

Not intended as a 'knock' on Chapman, but just because HIU's conference or division are good, that doesn't automatically make it a 'big' win. Millikin beat d1 SIU-E, but MU is hardly a top 25 team just because of that.

sac · February 13, 2009, 03:45:52 AM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2009, 02:21:15 AM
Quote from: oldchap on February 13, 2009, 01:44:17 AM
Number 31 of the "Top 25" Chapman University posted a big win today (2/12) against Hope International, 68-61. Hope is NAIA Division I, considered to be generally more competitive than NCAA Division III and even though Hope's overall record and Conference records are pretty bleak, it nonetheless shows that Chapman is a very competitive team. Chapman's overall record now stands at 20-3.

Translation: HIU is now 4-18 overall, 1-13 in conference.

Not intended as a 'knock' on Chapman, but just because HIU's conference or division are good, that doesn't automatically make it a 'big' win. Millikin beat d1 SIU-E, but MU is hardly a top 25 team just because of that.

Week 2 men's poll: Millikin 0 votes
Dec. 4 Millikin 70 SIUE 59
Week 3 men's poll: Millikin 26 votes

.......and no I don't sleep. $:-\$

Flying Dutch Fan · February 13, 2009, 09:57:23 AM

I've seen Hope play at 35 different venues:

Adrian
Albion
Alma
Aquinas *
Aurora
Baldwin-Wallace
Calvin (Knollcrest)
Calvin (Van Noord)
Carthage
Central
Chicago
Cornerstone *
Defiance
DePauw
Elmhurst
Ferris State *
Grand Valley *
Hope (Civic Center)
Hope (DeVos)
Hope (Dow)
Kalamazoo
MVP Sports (Orlando Magic Practice facility) *
Northwestern, IA *
Olivet (Cutler)
Olivet (Upton)
Salem Civic Center *
St. Norbert
Trine
Trinity Christian *
University of Detroit *
UW Stevens Point
Van Andel Arena *
Warner Southern *
Wheaton
Wittenberg

* - non D3 facility

oldchap · February 13, 2009, 12:55:52 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2009, 02:21:15 AM
Not intended as a 'knock' on Chapman, but just because HIU's conference or division are good, that doesn't automatically make it a 'big' win. Millikin beat d1 SIU-E, but MU is hardly a top 25 team just because of that.

I didn't imply that Chapman should be a Top 25 team. In fact, I don't think they are, at least not this year. I do believe though that they are good enough to at least make it to the playoffs and I hope that the NCAA "Gods" look at it this way.

pbrooks3 · February 13, 2009, 01:44:11 PM

Quote from: oldchap on February 13, 2009, 12:55:52 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 13, 2009, 02:21:15 AM
Not intended as a 'knock' on Chapman, but just because HIU's conference or division are good, that doesn't automatically make it a 'big' win. Millikin beat d1 SIU-E, but MU is hardly a top 25 team just because of that.

I didn't imply that Chapman should be a Top 25 team. In fact, I don't think they are, at least not this year. I do believe though that they are good enough to at least make it to the playoffs and I hope that the NCAA "Gods" look at it this way.

Chapman didn't have a very good outcome against U of Dallas a few weeks ago. Dallas currently is 6-16.

oldchap · February 13, 2009, 04:20:29 PM

Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 13, 2009, 01:44:11 PM
Chapman didn't have a very good outcome against U of Dallas a few weeks ago. Dallas currently is 6-16.

I can't argue this one and I agree, that was an unfortunate loss. Let's put it this way. You replay this game 10 times and Chapman will win it 8 or 9 times. But, since their margin of error is very slim, they could hardly afford a bad day.

larry_u · February 14, 2009, 06:37:59 PM

# 19 St. Norbert loses 65-38 at Lawrence.

pbrooks3 · February 14, 2009, 09:17:25 PM

Quote from: larry_u on February 14, 2009, 06:37:59 PM
# 19 St. Norbert loses 65-38 at Lawrence.

I believe St Norbert has earned a trip outside the top 25 for the coming week.

BoBo · February 14, 2009, 10:20:33 PM

#5 UW-Whitewater has now beaten both #4 UW-Platteville and #3 UW-Stevens Point (80-78 OT today) this week.

pbrooks3 · February 14, 2009, 11:09:01 PM

Whitewater goes to #3 unless Wash U takes a loss tomorrow.

Greek Tragedy · February 15, 2009, 04:58:21 AM

Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 14, 2009, 11:09:01 PM
Whitewater goes to #3 unless Wash U takes a loss tomorrow.

Point #3
Platteville #4
Whitewater #5

Whitewater beats both Point and Platteville...

Way to go out on a limb! lol

pbrooks3 · February 15, 2009, 10:28:00 AM

Actually I'd probably rank the top 3 this way:

Wash U
Whitewater
Point

frodotwo · February 15, 2009, 12:52:10 PM

Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2009, 10:28:00 AM
Actually I'd probably rank the top 3 this way:

Wash U
Whitewater
Point

You mean 2, 3, and 4 after St. Thomas

pbrooks3 · February 15, 2009, 01:51:32 PM

Quote from: frodotwo on February 15, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on February 15, 2009, 10:28:00 AM
Actually I'd probably rank the top 3 this way:

Wash U
Whitewater
Point

No, I meant what I said. I'll give #4 to St Thomas.
You mean 2, 3, and 4 after St. Thomas

Thunder Dutch · February 15, 2009, 05:35:31 PM

what about Wheaton? Now that Kent is back, they've been dominating again. In games where Kent plays more than 20 minutes, Wheaton is undefeated. And pretty dominant too. Even with 3 losses, Wheaton has a +14.1 winning margin, and the last 5 games, with Kent completely healthy - wins by 9 and 15 at nationally ranked opponents, another 26 point away win, and two home wins by 23 and 17 points.
I think they're definitely in the top 5 along with Wash U and the three WIAC teams.