Top 25 talk

[scottiedawg]

It's a very tough issue.  They were clearly not a top team when Kent Raymond was out.  However, you can't simply discount those losses.  Ideally, you could rank Wheaton+Kent Raymond and Wheaton-Kent Raymond as different teams.  If Raymond IS healthy and STAYS healthy, Wheaton will likely get a worse seed than they should, but will be a team that no one wants to face in the tournament. 

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Men's games:
Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	617	St. Thomas	23-0	def. Bethel, 75-72; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 72-59
#2	608	Washington U.	21-1	def. Emory, 71-68; def. Case Western Reserve, 71-63
#3	571	UW-Stevens Point	20-3	def. UW-Eau Claire, 61-58; LOST at #5 UW-Whitewater, 78-80 OT
#4	547	UW-Platteville	20-3	LOST at #5 UW-Whitewater, 62-75; def. UW-Superior, 69-53
#5	501	UW-Whitewater	20-3	def. #4 UW-Platteville, 75-62; def. #3 UW-Stevens Point, 80-78 OT
#6	488	Puget Sound	21-2	def. #30 Whitworth, 81-71; def. Whitman, 82-72
#7	454	Buena Vista	22-2	def. Dubuque, 74-70; def. Loras, 69-62
#8	431	Ithaca	22-1	def. Stevens, 81-68; def. St. John Fisher, 77-67
#9	396	Richard Stockton	22-2	def. Rowan, 65-55
#10	392	Wheaton (Ill.)	20-3	def. #17 Elmhurst, 79-64; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 86-60
#11	378	Trinity (Texas)	20-3	LOST at Millsaps, 67-86; def. Hendrix, 71-67 OT
#12	352	Elms	21-1	def. Becker, 102-80; def. Daniel Webster, 95-72; def. Newbury, 78-59
#13	324	Middlebury	21-3	def. Trinity (Conn.), 78-76 2OT; LOST at #26 Amherst, 64-71
#14	290	Capital	20-3	def. Mount Union, 77-65; def. Ohio Northern, 68-64
#15	282	Mass-Dartmouth	20-3	LOST at #25 Rhode Island College, 71-82; def. Eastern Connecticut, 100-88
#16	221	Franklin and Marshall	21-2	def. Ursinus, 87-81; def. Haverford, 74-42
#17	189	Elmhurst	17-6	LOST to #10 Wheaton (Ill.), 64-79; def. North Park, 88-69
#18	139	John Carroll	18-4	def. Heidelberg, 105-84; def. Marietta, 85-76
#19	127	St. Norbert	18-4	def. Ripon, 77-72; LOST at Lawrence, 38-65
#20	119	Augustana	17-7	def. Millikin, 65-55; LOST at North Central (Ill.), 62-65
#21	108	Carnegie Mellon	17-5	LOST to Brandeis, 63-66; def. New York University, 79-73
#22	84	DePauw	17-6	LOST at #23 Centre, 50-75
#23	82	Centre	18-4	def. #22 DePauw, 75-50
#24	79	Guilford	19-4	def. Eastern Mennonite, 82-71; def. Lynchburg, 85-69
#25	75	Rhode Island College	19-4	def. #15 Mass-Dartmouth, 82-71; def. Roger Williams, 66-50; def. Southern Maine, 86-72

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	72	Amherst	19-5	LOST to Williams, 78-89; def. #13 Middlebury, 71-64
#27	65	Texas-Dallas	20-3	def. University of the Ozarks, 69-54; def. Texas-Tyler, 55-48
#28	31	Transylvania	17-5	LOST at Franklin, 76-88; def. Bluffton, 58-53
#29	28	William Paterson	19-5	LOST at Rutgers-Newark, 43-51; def. Ramapo, 81-59
#30	26	Whitworth	18-5	LOST at #6 Puget Sound, 71-81; def. Pacific Lutheran, 83-57
#31	21	Chapman	20-3	def. Golden St. Baptist, 82-37; def. Hope Int'l, 68-61
#32	8	Rochester Tech	17-6	LOST at St. John Fisher, 51-72; def. Stevens, 74-68; LOST to Hartwick, 72-80
#33	6	Worcester Polytech	18-4	def. Springfield, 66-62; def. MIT, 72-55
T#34	4	DeSales	18-5	def. Muhlenberg, 59-57; LOST at King's, 64-69 OT; LOST at Eastern, 42-54
T#34	4	St. Lawrence	18-4	def. Hobart, 70-65; def. Hamilton, 75-62
T#36	2	McDaniel	17-6	def. Dickinson, 69-55; LOST at Washington College, 57-74
T#36	2	Randolph-Macon	19-5	def. Washington and Lee, 74-66; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 71-38; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 70-58
T#38	1	Roanoke	17-6	LOST at Hampden-Sydney, 63-67; def. Eastern Mennonite, 84-63
T#38	1	Salem State	18-5	LOST to Framingham State, 80-84; def. Fitchburg State, 84-55

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Calvin	16-6	def. Hope, 63-62; def. Olivet, 72-61
---	---	Franklin	15-8	def. #28 Transylvania, 88-76; def. Mount St. Joseph, 91-78
---	---	St. Mary's (Md.)	20-4	def. Mary Washington, 56-53; def. Gallaudet, 84-74

[magicman]

New Top 25 poll just came out. St Thomas and Wash U got the same number of votes as last week and Whitewater moves into the 3rd spot after their 2 big wins last week. Wheaton jumps 3 spots to 7th.

[cccc-fanatic]

What in the world does UNE (University of New England) have to do to get into the top 25?
Undefeated in conference.
2nd longest winning streak in the nation.
What's going on?

[Titan Q]

What in the world does UNE (University of New England) have to do to get into the top 25?
Undefeated in conference.
2nd longest winning streak in the nation.
What's going on?

Massey has U. of New England #161, with a strength of schedule ranked #359.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2009&sub=III&mid=6

[Ralph Turner]

What in the world does UNE (University of New England) have to do to get into the top 25?
Undefeated in conference.
2nd longest winning streak in the nation.
What's going on?

Massey has U. of New England #161, with a strength of schedule ranked #359.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2009&sub=III&mid=6

Or #120 Massey Ratings MOV

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

The Bowdoin team to which UNE lost on November 25th is #119.

[Coach C]

I've seen a number of the top 25 play as well as UNE.  While UNE has some nice players and a great streak going, the streak comes against one of the worst schedules in the nation.

Their only win of note is over Colby, and their only wins over a +.500 team on the road are Bates and Husson, with a paltry 13 wins each.

Early in the season I watched UNE get positively SMASHED by Bowdoin at home in a game where they could not throw the ball in the nearby ocean.

Enjoy the season you're having.  But it's important to note that you own regional rankers put a bunch of teams with worse records in front of the 10th ranked Nor'Easters.  If you're only just barely getting love in your own region how do you expect to break into a top 25 where 3 of the top 5 teams come from the Wisconsin Goliath Conference?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Sorry for not keeping that contained to the CCC Page.  I haven't been posting as much on the home league board to quell expectations.

UNE just has played absolutely no one.  Not only are there no decent wins on the schedule, they have barely been winning some of these games.

[Coach C]

HF -

I think this is the right place to talk about teams whose fans think they should be getting top 25 votes.  It's a national question. 

C

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

HF -

I think this is the right place to talk about teams whose fans think they should be getting top 25 votes.  It's a national question. 

Yeah, but I feel like I could have done more to convince UNE fans that they shouldn't be upset.  This is one squad, I feel, that shouldn't be in the conversation until they win a couple of NCAA tournament games.

[John Gleich]

UW Eau Claire knocks off #4 UWP 65-60, UW Oshkosh knocks off #3 UWW 65-64

[Ralph Turner]

UW Eau Claire knocks off #4 UWP 65-60, UW Oshkosh knocks off #3 UWW 65-64

It is the WIAC-ky rearing its head again. 

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	617	St. Thomas	24-0	def. St. John's, 82-47; 02/21 vs. Hamline
#2	608	Washington U.	21-1	02/20 vs. #25 Carnegie Mellon; 02/22 vs. Rochester
#3	555	UW-Whitewater	20-4	LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 64-65; 02/21 at UW-River Falls
#4	514	UW-Platteville	20-4	LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 60-65; 02/21 at #5 UW-Stevens Point
#5	504	UW-Stevens Point	21-3	def. UW-La Crosse, 78-62; 02/21 vs. #4 UW-Platteville
#6	495	Puget Sound	21-2	02/20 at Pacific; 02/21 at Willamette
#7	466	Wheaton (Ill.)	21-3	def. Carthage, 73-69; 02/21 vs. #39 North Central (Ill.)
#8	450	Buena Vista	22-2	02/21 at Luther
#9	431	Ithaca	22-1	02/20 at Nazareth; 02/22 vs. #38 Rochester Tech
#10	396	Richard Stockton	23-2	def. Rutgers-Camden, 78-63
#11	389	Capital	21-3	def. Heidelberg, 79-76; 02/21 vs. Otterbein
#12	341	Elms	22-1	def. Southern Vermont, 98-73; 02/19 vs. Lesley; 02/21 vs. Newbury
#13	308	Franklin and Marshall	21-3	LOST at Gettysburg, 60-72; 02/21 at Dickinson
#14	271	Trinity (Texas)	20-3	02/20 vs. Colorado College; 02/21 vs. Austin
#15	244	Middlebury	21-3	02/21 vs. Connecticut College
#16	235	John Carroll	19-4	def. Baldwin-Wallace, 86-71; 02/21 at Wilmington
#17	191	Centre	18-4	02/20 vs. Sewanee; 02/22 vs. Oglethorpe
#18	186	Rhode Island College	20-4	def. Western Connecticut, 70-68; 02/21 vs. Eastern Connecticut
#19	185	Mass-Dartmouth	21-3	def. Mass-Boston, 108-68; 02/21 at Plymouth State
#20	160	Guilford	20-4	def. Emory and Henry, 77-68; 02/21 vs. Randolph
#21	129	Elmhurst	18-6	def. #39 North Central (Ill.), 74-63; 02/21 vs. Carthage
#22	97	Texas-Dallas	20-3	02/19 at East Texas Baptist; 02/21 at LeTourneau
#23	48	Amherst	19-5	02/21 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#24	42	Randolph-Macon	20-5	def. Hampden-Sydney, 69-67
#25	41	Carnegie Mellon	17-5	02/20 at #2 Washington U.; 02/22 at Chicago

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	32	Augustana	17-7	02/21 at Illinois Wesleyan
#27	31	Worcester Polytech	19-4	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 85-68; 02/21 at Babson
#28	23	St. Lawrence	18-4	02/20 vs. Vassar; 02/21 at RPI
T#29	21	William Paterson	19-6	LOST to #40 Montclair State, 57-58
T#29	21	Chapman	20-3	def. West Coast Baptist, 78-62; 02/19 at Vanguard
#31	16	DePauw	17-6	02/20 vs. Oglethorpe; 02/22 vs. Sewanee
T#32	14	St. Norbert	18-4	02/21 vs. Carroll
T#32	14	Transylvania	18-5	def. Mount St. Joseph, 67-49; 02/21 at Anderson
#34	11	Lawrence	15-6	def. Beloit, 92-68
T#35	10	St. Mary's (Md.)	20-4	02/21 vs. Wesley
T#35	10	Whitworth	19-5	def. Whitman, 97-87; 02/22 vs. Lewis and Clark
#37	8	Ohio Wesleyan	17-6	def. Oberlin, 64-61; 02/21 vs. Allegheny
#38	5	Rochester Tech	17-7	LOST to Nazareth, 84-86; 02/22 at #9 Ithaca
#39	4	North Central (Ill.)	16-8	LOST to #21 Elmhurst, 63-74; 02/21 at #7 Wheaton (Ill.)
#40	2	Montclair State	20-5	def. T#29 William Paterson, 58-57

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Calvin	17-6	def. Albion, 67-62; 02/21 at Kalamazoo
---	---	Franklin	16-8	def. Hanover, 92-84; 02/21 vs. Defiance

[Hugenerd]

#22 UT Dallas falls 74-58 to East Texas Baptist tonight.

[Titan Q]

Today I came across the Sporting News preseason poll (formerly Street & Smith's), release in the first week October...


1. St. Thomas, Minn.
2. Washington-St. Louis (Mo.)
3. Wheaton (Ill.)
4. Augustana (Ill.)
5. UW-Whitewater
6. Gettysburg (Pa)
7. Buena Vista (Iowa)
8. UW-Platteville
9. Brandeis (Mass.)
10. Capital (Ohio)

D3hoops.com had:

1 Washington U
2 Augustana   
3 Wheaton (Ill.)
4 UW-Whitewater
5 St. Thomas   
6 UW-Stevens Point 
7 UW-Platteville
8 Buena Vista 
9 Brandeis 
10 Mary Hardin-Baylor