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scottiedawg

It's a very tough issue.  They were clearly not a top team when Kent Raymond was out.  However, you can't simply discount those losses.  Ideally, you could rank Wheaton+Kent Raymond and Wheaton-Kent Raymond as different teams.  If Raymond IS healthy and STAYS healthy, Wheaton will likely get a worse seed than they should, but will be a team that no one wants to face in the tournament. 

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (Complete)

Men's games:
Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1617St. Thomas23-0def. Bethel, 75-72; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 72-59
#2608Washington U.21-1def. Emory, 71-68; def. Case Western Reserve, 71-63
#3571UW-Stevens Point20-3def. UW-Eau Claire, 61-58; LOST at #5 UW-Whitewater, 78-80 OT
#4547UW-Platteville20-3LOST at #5 UW-Whitewater, 62-75; def. UW-Superior, 69-53
#5501UW-Whitewater20-3def. #4 UW-Platteville, 75-62; def. #3 UW-Stevens Point, 80-78 OT
#6488Puget Sound21-2def. #30 Whitworth, 81-71; def. Whitman, 82-72
#7454Buena Vista22-2def. Dubuque, 74-70; def. Loras, 69-62
#8431Ithaca22-1def. Stevens, 81-68; def. St. John Fisher, 77-67
#9396Richard Stockton22-2def. Rowan, 65-55
#10392Wheaton (Ill.)20-3def. #17 Elmhurst, 79-64; def. Illinois Wesleyan, 86-60
#11378Trinity (Texas)20-3LOST at Millsaps, 67-86; def. Hendrix, 71-67 OT
#12352Elms21-1def. Becker, 102-80; def. Daniel Webster, 95-72; def. Newbury, 78-59
#13324Middlebury21-3def. Trinity (Conn.), 78-76 2OT; LOST at #26 Amherst, 64-71
#14290Capital20-3def. Mount Union, 77-65; def. Ohio Northern, 68-64
#15282Mass-Dartmouth20-3LOST at #25 Rhode Island College, 71-82; def. Eastern Connecticut, 100-88
#16221Franklin and Marshall21-2def. Ursinus, 87-81; def. Haverford, 74-42
#17189Elmhurst17-6LOST to #10 Wheaton (Ill.), 64-79; def. North Park, 88-69
#18139John Carroll18-4def. Heidelberg, 105-84; def. Marietta, 85-76
#19127St. Norbert18-4def. Ripon, 77-72; LOST at Lawrence, 38-65
#20119Augustana17-7def. Millikin, 65-55; LOST at North Central (Ill.), 62-65
#21108Carnegie Mellon17-5LOST to Brandeis, 63-66; def. New York University, 79-73
#2284DePauw17-6LOST at #23 Centre, 50-75
#2382Centre18-4def. #22 DePauw, 75-50
#2479Guilford19-4def. Eastern Mennonite, 82-71; def. Lynchburg, 85-69
#2575Rhode Island College19-4def. #15 Mass-Dartmouth, 82-71; def. Roger Williams, 66-50; def. Southern Maine, 86-72


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2672Amherst19-5LOST to Williams, 78-89; def. #13 Middlebury, 71-64
#2765Texas-Dallas20-3def. University of the Ozarks, 69-54; def. Texas-Tyler, 55-48
#2831Transylvania17-5LOST at Franklin, 76-88; def. Bluffton, 58-53
#2928William Paterson19-5LOST at Rutgers-Newark, 43-51; def. Ramapo, 81-59
#3026Whitworth18-5LOST at #6 Puget Sound, 71-81; def. Pacific Lutheran, 83-57
#3121Chapman20-3def. Golden St. Baptist, 82-37; def. Hope Int'l, 68-61
#328Rochester Tech17-6LOST at St. John Fisher, 51-72; def. Stevens, 74-68; LOST to Hartwick, 72-80
#336Worcester Polytech18-4def. Springfield, 66-62; def. MIT, 72-55
T#344DeSales18-5def. Muhlenberg, 59-57; LOST at King's, 64-69 OT; LOST at Eastern, 42-54
T#344St. Lawrence18-4def. Hobart, 70-65; def. Hamilton, 75-62
T#362McDaniel17-6def. Dickinson, 69-55; LOST at Washington College, 57-74
T#362Randolph-Macon19-5def. Washington and Lee, 74-66; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 71-38; def. Virginia Wesleyan, 70-58
T#381Roanoke17-6LOST at Hampden-Sydney, 63-67; def. Eastern Mennonite, 84-63
T#381Salem State18-5LOST to Framingham State, 80-84; def. Fitchburg State, 84-55


Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
------Calvin16-6def. Hope, 63-62; def. Olivet, 72-61
------Franklin15-8def. #28 Transylvania, 88-76; def. Mount St. Joseph, 91-78
------St. Mary's (Md.)20-4def. Mary Washington, 56-53; def. Gallaudet, 84-74

magicman

New Top 25 poll just came out. St Thomas and Wash U got the same number of votes as last week and Whitewater moves into the 3rd spot after their 2 big wins last week. Wheaton jumps 3 spots to 7th.

cccc-fanatic

What in the world does UNE (University of New England) have to do to get into the top 25?
Undefeated in conference.
2nd longest winning streak in the nation.
What's going on?

Titan Q

Quote from: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:42:20 PM
What in the world does UNE (University of New England) have to do to get into the top 25?
Undefeated in conference.
2nd longest winning streak in the nation.
What's going on?

Massey has U. of New England #161, with a strength of schedule ranked #359.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2009&sub=III&mid=6

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Titan Q on February 16, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: cccc-fanatic on February 16, 2009, 08:42:20 PM
What in the world does UNE (University of New England) have to do to get into the top 25?
Undefeated in conference.
2nd longest winning streak in the nation.
What's going on?

Massey has U. of New England #161, with a strength of schedule ranked #359.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2009&sub=III&mid=6
Or #120 Massey Ratings MOV

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

The Bowdoin team to which UNE lost on November 25th is #119.

Coach C

I've seen a number of the top 25 play as well as UNE.  While UNE has some nice players and a great streak going, the streak comes against one of the worst schedules in the nation.

Their only win of note is over Colby, and their only wins over a +.500 team on the road are Bates and Husson, with a paltry 13 wins each.

Early in the season I watched UNE get positively SMASHED by Bowdoin at home in a game where they could not throw the ball in the nearby ocean.

Enjoy the season you're having.  But it's important to note that you own regional rankers put a bunch of teams with worse records in front of the 10th ranked Nor'Easters.  If you're only just barely getting love in your own region how do you expect to break into a top 25 where 3 of the top 5 teams come from the Wisconsin Goliath Conference?

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)


Sorry for not keeping that contained to the CCC Page.  I haven't been posting as much on the home league board to quell expectations.

UNE just has played absolutely no one.  Not only are there no decent wins on the schedule, they have barely been winning some of these games.
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Coach C

HF -

I think this is the right place to talk about teams whose fans think they should be getting top 25 votes.  It's a national question. 

C

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Coach C on February 17, 2009, 11:21:43 AM
HF -

I think this is the right place to talk about teams whose fans think they should be getting top 25 votes.  It's a national question. 

Yeah, but I feel like I could have done more to convince UNE fans that they shouldn't be upset.  This is one squad, I feel, that shouldn't be in the conversation until they win a couple of NCAA tournament games.
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: PointSpecial on February 18, 2009, 10:04:33 PM
UW Eau Claire knocks off #4 UWP 65-60, UW Oshkosh knocks off #3 UWW 65-64

It is the WIAC-ky rearing its head again.  ;)

Darryl Nester

#4527
How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1617St. Thomas24-0def. St. John's, 82-47; 02/21 vs. Hamline
#2608Washington U.21-102/20 vs. #25 Carnegie Mellon; 02/22 vs. Rochester
#3555UW-Whitewater20-4LOST at UW-Oshkosh, 64-65; 02/21 at UW-River Falls
#4514UW-Platteville20-4LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 60-65; 02/21 at #5 UW-Stevens Point
#5504UW-Stevens Point21-3def. UW-La Crosse, 78-62; 02/21 vs. #4 UW-Platteville
#6495Puget Sound21-202/20 at Pacific; 02/21 at Willamette
#7466Wheaton (Ill.)21-3def. Carthage, 73-69; 02/21 vs. #39 North Central (Ill.)
#8450Buena Vista22-202/21 at Luther
#9431Ithaca22-102/20 at Nazareth; 02/22 vs. #38 Rochester Tech
#10396Richard Stockton23-2def. Rutgers-Camden, 78-63
#11389Capital21-3def. Heidelberg, 79-76; 02/21 vs. Otterbein
#12341Elms22-1def. Southern Vermont, 98-73; 02/19 vs. Lesley; 02/21 vs. Newbury
#13308Franklin and Marshall21-3LOST at Gettysburg, 60-72; 02/21 at Dickinson
#14271Trinity (Texas)20-302/20 vs. Colorado College; 02/21 vs. Austin
#15244Middlebury21-302/21 vs. Connecticut College
#16235John Carroll19-4def. Baldwin-Wallace, 86-71; 02/21 at Wilmington
#17191Centre18-402/20 vs. Sewanee; 02/22 vs. Oglethorpe
#18186Rhode Island College20-4def. Western Connecticut, 70-68; 02/21 vs. Eastern Connecticut
#19185Mass-Dartmouth21-3def. Mass-Boston, 108-68; 02/21 at Plymouth State
#20160Guilford20-4def. Emory and Henry, 77-68; 02/21 vs. Randolph
#21129Elmhurst18-6def. #39 North Central (Ill.), 74-63; 02/21 vs. Carthage
#2297Texas-Dallas20-302/19 at East Texas Baptist; 02/21 at LeTourneau
#2348Amherst19-502/21 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#2442Randolph-Macon20-5def. Hampden-Sydney, 69-67
#2541Carnegie Mellon17-502/20 at #2 Washington U.; 02/22 at Chicago


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2632Augustana17-702/21 at Illinois Wesleyan
#2731Worcester Polytech   19-4def. Wheaton (Mass.), 85-68; 02/21 at Babson
#2823St. Lawrence18-402/20 vs. Vassar; 02/21 at RPI
T#2921William Paterson19-6LOST to #40 Montclair State, 57-58
T#2921Chapman20-3def. West Coast Baptist, 78-62; 02/19 at Vanguard
#3116DePauw17-602/20 vs. Oglethorpe; 02/22 vs. Sewanee
T#3214St. Norbert18-402/21 vs. Carroll
T#3214Transylvania18-5def. Mount St. Joseph, 67-49; 02/21 at Anderson
#3411Lawrence15-6def. Beloit, 92-68
T#3510St. Mary's (Md.)20-402/21 vs. Wesley
T#3510Whitworth19-5def. Whitman, 97-87; 02/22 vs. Lewis and Clark
#378Ohio Wesleyan17-6def. Oberlin, 64-61; 02/21 vs. Allegheny
#385Rochester Tech17-7LOST to Nazareth, 84-86; 02/22 at #9 Ithaca
#394North Central (Ill.)16-8LOST to #21 Elmhurst, 63-74; 02/21 at #7 Wheaton (Ill.)
#402Montclair State20-5def. T#29 William Paterson, 58-57


Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
------Calvin17-6def. Albion, 67-62; 02/21 at Kalamazoo
------Franklin     16-8def. Hanover, 92-84; 02/21 vs. Defiance


Hugenerd

#22 UT Dallas falls 74-58 to East Texas Baptist tonight.

Titan Q

#4529
Today I came across the Sporting News preseason poll (formerly Street & Smith's), release in the first week October...


1. St. Thomas, Minn.
2. Washington-St. Louis (Mo.)
3. Wheaton (Ill.)
4. Augustana (Ill.)
5. UW-Whitewater
6. Gettysburg (Pa)
7. Buena Vista (Iowa)
8. UW-Platteville
9. Brandeis (Mass.)
10. Capital (Ohio)

D3hoops.com had:

1 Washington U
2 Augustana   
3 Wheaton (Ill.)
4 UW-Whitewater
5 St. Thomas   
6 UW-Stevens Point 
7 UW-Platteville
8 Buena Vista 
9 Brandeis 
10 Mary Hardin-Baylor