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John Gleich

#5 Point beats River Falls 73-61.
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Quote from: PointSpecial on December 05, 2009, 08:15:33 PM
#5 Point beats River Falls 73-61.
#7 WW leads Stout 34-29.  Live Video Here

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Warhawks getting all they can handle from Stout.  54-49 UWW leads with 8 mins.
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WIAC/WSUC Champs: 2015, '14, '13, '11, '09, '07, '05, '03, '02, '01, '00, 1993, '92, '87, '86, '85, '84, '83, '82, '69, '61, '57, '48, '42, '37, '36, '35, '33, '18

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Quote from: PointSpecial on December 05, 2009, 08:39:49 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on December 05, 2009, 08:15:33 PM
#5 Point beats River Falls 73-61.
#7 WW leads Stout 34-29.  Live Video Here

Check out the WIAC in game updates for updates on this game.

Warhawks getting all they can handle from Stout.  54-49 UWW leads with 8 mins.

Whitewater survives 62-57 thanks to some timely rebounding.
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NCAA appearances: 2018, '15, '14, '13, '12, '11, '10, '09, '08, '07, '05, '04, '03, '00, 1997

WIAC/WSUC Champs: 2015, '14, '13, '11, '09, '07, '05, '03, '02, '01, '00, 1993, '92, '87, '86, '85, '84, '83, '82, '69, '61, '57, '48, '42, '37, '36, '35, '33, '18

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nescac1

Posted this (in shorter form) in NESCAC board:

With Elms, Amherst, Bridgewater State (who never had any business in the top 25 to begin with, and certainly doesn't now) and WPI all losing, hopefully Williams can crack the top 25 this week.  The Ephs are now 6-0 with an average margin of victory of 22.  They have played a weak schedule to date (it does get much tougher starting in late December), but have two decent wins against  Wesleyan and Cortland and have blown everyone else out.  They really should be ranked above Brandeis, who hasn't looked all that great.  Brandeis has one loss and exactly zero impressive wins.  It lost the top two scorers from an 18-9 team, and clearly looks worse this year. Brandeis beat Salem by 15 (and were down at halftime), and the Ephs beat them by 30.  Brandeis beat Vassar by 27, the Ephs beat them by 37.  Brandeis barely eeked out wins over Clark and Framingham.  They only really play seven guys, none of whom are exactly all-Americans.  Brandeis is a solid team but do they really deserve to be ranked over undefeated Williams, undefeated MIT, and undefeated Colby?  I'd say all three clearly belong above Brandeis and Bridgewater State, and arguably above Amherst and Elms as well.  I'd say based on early season results along with the rosters on paper, Brandeis should be behind UMD, Midd, Williams, MIT, Colby, Elms, Amherst in New England.   

Pat Coleman

Brandeis vs. Salem State, on a neutral floor.
Williams vs. Salem State, at Williams.

Just some other facts to keep in mind.

I don't think anyone is impressed by the difference between a 37-point win and a 27-point win, by the way. They're both blowouts.

Williams has its own claim to Top 25 status. It doesn't have to come by tearing down Brandeis.
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I just don't think Brandeis belongs in the top 25 regardless of Williams' claim (and it's not just Williams, it's unbeaten MIT and Colby as well, considering there are -- realistically -- only so many spots for New England teams).  Brandeis just hasn't looked all that great, putting up unimpressive stats to date against less-than-stellar competition overall.   And when you only have seven guys averaging more than one point per game, that is going to be seriously problematic later in the year once guys start to wear down, get nicked up, get into foul trouble, etc.  I just think Brandeis' reputation is based on how it played two and three years ago, rather than its current roster, which hasn't really been replenished despite the graduation of two really talented classes and the transfer of a few guys who would have been in this year's rotation. 

Darryl Nester

How They Fared -- through December 6.

Results in italics were not posted; I looked them up and entered them myself.  In those cases, I tried to fix that team's record, but I might have missed something.

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1625Washington U.5-0def. McKendree, 82-67; def. Pomona-Pitzer, 76-50
#2579John Carroll6-0def. Baldwin-Wallace, 96-73; def. Muskingum, 76-66
#3570St. Thomas5-0def. Concordia-Moorhead, 73-55; def. St. Olaf, 70-61
#4557Guilford4-1def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 83-66; LOST at T#46 Virginia Wesleyan, 68-71
#5519UW-Stevens Point7-0def. UW-Stout, 80-59; def. UW-River Falls, 73-61
#6480Wheaton (Ill.)5-1def. T#46 Chicago, 72-54; LOST at #27 Hope, 54-76; def. Calvin, 74-69
#7450UW-Whitewater7-0def. T#38 UW-La Crosse, 71-59; def. UW-Stout, 62-57
#8432Richard Stockton5-2LOST to New Jersey City, 71-76
#9405Randolph-Macon6-0def. Randolph, 76-64; def. Emory and Henry, 85-60
#10389Franklin and Marshall5-2def. #12 St. Mary's (Md.), 72-61; def. T#42 Ursinus, 78-74; LOST at McDaniel, 51-60
#11319Mass-Dartmouth5-1def. #19 Bridgewater State, 81-62; def. Plymouth State, 67-63
#12310St. Mary's (Md.)5-1LOST at #10 Franklin and Marshall, 61-72; def. Marymount, 63-51; def. Stevenson, 103-71
#13259Amherst4-1def. Westfield State, 86-68; LOST at #20 Elms, 79-88; def. Springfield, 80-61
#14225Texas-Dallas6-1def. Concordia-Austin, 81-62; def. Sul Ross State, 75-52; def. Howard Payne, 99-83
#15200Middlebury7-0def. Castleton State, 88-58; def. St. Lawrence, 79-57; def. Union, 76-56
#16189Illinois Wesleyan5-2def. Monmouth, 65-55; LOST at T#46 Chicago, 60-68
#17155Carthage6-2def. Ind.-Northwest, 104-67; LOST to (n) Calvin, 69-72; def. #27 Hope, 83-77 OT
#18129Chapman7-0def. UC Santa Cruz, 74-44; def. #33 Cal Lutheran, 52-45; def. George Fox, 73-45
#19118Bridgewater State3-3LOST at #11 Mass-Dartmouth, 62-81; LOST to Wheaton (Mass.), 66-68
#20113Elms5-1def. Western New England, 84-65; def. #13 Amherst, 88-79; LOST to Westfield State, 69-73
#21106Augustana5-0def. Knox, 73-56
#22102Wittenberg4-1LOST at Hiram, 74-92
#2397Brandeis7-1def. Clark, 51-47; def. Framingham State, 76-73; def. Salem State, 88-73; def. Tufts, 54-41
#2494DeSales5-2def. Manhattanville, 66-42; def. Delaware Valley, 75-73
#2592Wooster4-3def. Ohio Wesleyan, 80-72; def. Kenyon, 66-65


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2680St. Norbert6-0def. Lake Forest, 69-58; def. Monmouth, 70-58
#2774Hope4-2def. Trinity Christian, 97-80; def. #6 Wheaton (Ill.), 76-54; LOST to #17 Carthage, 77-83 OT
#2872Whitworth2-2LOST to (n) Pomona-Pitzer, 54-55; def. McKendree @ St. Louis,, 72-69
#2967Williams6-0def. Salem State, 100-71; def. Vassar, 111-74
#3060Mississippi College5-0def. McMurry, 73-62; def. Schreiner, 85-69
#3153UW-Platteville6-2def. Viterbo, 62-60; def. UW-Superior, 75-63
#3237Worcester Polytech6-1def. Curry, 76-62; def. Lasell, 81-67; LOST at Thomas, 82-92
#3334Cal Lutheran1-3def. Willamette, 83-69; LOST to (n) #18 Chapman, 45-52; LOST at Redlands, 68-95
#3421MIT8-0def. Emerson, 66-51; def. Newbury, 76-50; def. Gordon, 78-73 OT
#3520St. John Fisher3-1LOST to Hobart, 83-90; def. Rochester Tech, 60-46
#3616Defiance5-1LOST at Anderson, 70-88; def. Rose-Hulman, 82-61
#3715DePauw5-1def. Rhodes, 86-64; LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 68-84
T#3811Puget Sound2-4IDLE
T#3811UW-La Crosse6-2LOST to #7 UW-Whitewater, 59-71; def. UW-Eau Claire, 69-64
T#3811Widener5-2def. Arcadia, 80-67; LOST to Lycoming, 85-91
#415Cabrini6-0def. Philadelphia Bible, 84-53; def. Marywood, 65-52; def. Baptist Bible, 76-54
T#424Centre2-4LOST at Berea, 59-71; LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 44-53; def. Rhodes, 69-62
T#424Ursinus3-3LOST at #10 Franklin and Marshall, 74-78; LOST at Swarthmore, 74-68
T#443Eastern Mennonite8-0def. Lynchburg, 89-82; def. Penn St.-Brandywine, 97-44
T#443Whittier4-0def. Holy Names, 103-101 OT
T#462Baruch4-1def. Medgar Evers, 91-82
T#462Carroll5-1def. Illinois College, 80-67; def. Lake Forest, 80-67
T#462Chicago5-1LOST at #6 Wheaton (Ill.), 54-72; def. #16 Illinois Wesleyan, 68-60
T#462Transylvania4-3def. Hanover, 85-71; def. Bluffton, 54-49
T#462Virginia Wesleyan7-1def. Methodist, 83-66; def. Apprentice School, 76-73 OT; def. #4 Guilford, 71-68
#511Rochester6-1LOST at Rochester Tech, 58-63; def. Emory, 83-62

Hugenerd

MIT and Eastern Mennonite with the most Ws in the country right now!

augie77

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Augustana wil be playing at Gonzaga Wednesday night (6:00 Pacific time).  Check out this link for information on the game and Augustana team activities in preparation.

After Gonzaga, Augustana will have a breather.  Saturday night they will step down in competition and will play at # 1 Washington University in St Louis.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: augie77 on December 07, 2009, 08:43:50 PM
http://www.augustana.edu/x17589.xml  

Augustana wil be playing at Gonzaga Wednesday night (6:00 Pacific time).  Check out this link for information on the game and Augustana team activities in preparation.

After Gonzaga, Augustana will have a breather.  Saturday night they will step down in competition and will play at # 1 Washington University in St Louis.



Can we all agree... most difficult four day stretch for any d3 team this season?
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Quote from: Hoops Fan on December 08, 2009, 12:47:16 AM
Quote from: augie77 on December 07, 2009, 08:43:50 PM
http://www.augustana.edu/x17589.xml  

Augustana wil be playing at Gonzaga Wednesday night (6:00 Pacific time).  Check out this link for information on the game and Augustana team activities in preparation.

After Gonzaga, Augustana will have a breather.  Saturday night they will step down in competition and will play at # 1 Washington University in St Louis.



Can we all agree... most difficult four day stretch for any d3 team this season?

Not sure you needed the last 2 words of that sentence
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Hugenerd


Flying Dutch Fan

Let's see, Hope starts the week at ORV (27).  So what did we accomplish in that week?

- beat a non-D3 opponent on the road that we should beat
- knocked off the #6 team in the nation by 25
- and then lost to #17 in OT (who was coming off a loss to an NR D3 team). 

What could possibly happen.....  ???  Who wouldn't consider that to be a pretty good week...   ???

The number 6 team, well they drop ALL THE WAY to 8 - Are the voters really serious?  Wheaton was clearly the 3rd best team in Holland last week.

The number 17 team, well they drop to all the way to 24

And us, well we get 2 more points, which drops us to ORV (28)

I've long thought the d3hoops poll to be a fine representation of the best teams in d3, but this is an absolute joke

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Gregory Sager

What you didn't mention, FDF, was that Hope was home for games #2 and #3 last week, which colors how the outcomes of those games are perceived by the voters. You also didn't mention that Wheaton had an 18-point win earlier in the week over ORV Chicago.

For the record, I have believed all along that Wheaton is most likely not a top ten team -- I still haven't seen the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance play yet, so I'm holding off on saying anything definitive about them -- and I think that they're still overrated at #8.
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Flying Dutch Fan

GS - your right, I didn't mention those things.  I did however see the S.A.D. play 2 games, and if they are a top 20 team, then D3 hoops (basketball at the D3 level, not this website) have taken a couple of huge steps backwards. 
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