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Hugenerd

#21 DeSales loses to Catholic tonight, for their third loss of the year and the second time to an unranked team.  Will this finally drop them from the poll?

Mr. Ypsi

As fully expected, Augustana is getting destroyed by Gonzaga (last I saw it was 67-35 late in the 2nd half), but Augie is actually looking pretty good.  It was 40-14 at the half, but I think much of Augie's problem on scoring was intimidation - they missed a lot of shots that were NOT due to Gonzaga's defense.  Augie's positioning, ball-distribution, and defense looked pretty respectable.

It is very difficult to judge when the players are so mismatched, but I don't think very many d3 teams would have beaten Augie tonite.  I wasn't sure before, but I think they are a legitimate top 25 team.  Saturday at WashU should be a much better indicator.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 09, 2009, 10:55:09 PM
As fully expected, Augustana is getting destroyed by Gonzaga (last I saw it was 67-35 late in the 2nd half), but Augie is actually looking pretty good.  It was 40-14 at the half, but I think much of Augie's problem on scoring was intimidation - they missed a lot of shots that were NOT due to Gonzaga's defense.  Augie's positioning, ball-distribution, and defense looked pretty respectable.

It is very difficult to judge when the players are so mismatched, but I don't think very many d3 teams would have beaten Augie tonite.  I wasn't sure before, but I think they are a legitimate top 25 team.  Saturday at WashU should be a much better indicator.

They're currently shooting 22% from the floor, including a whopping 1-20 from three point range.  On the other hand, we finally get an answer to what a solid d3 team would do against a solid d1 squad in the regular season.
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Quote from: hugenerd on December 09, 2009, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 09, 2009, 10:26:29 PM
Well, now that we know that Wheaton can play with the #1 ranked Washington Bears, on the Bears home court no less, doesn't that kind of justify their placement at #8? After all, last year's Kent Raymond led Thunder edition, lost 55-52 to Wash U in the sectional semis on Wheaton's home court. The Thunder were ranked #3 at that time and ended up in the #2 spot in the final rankings. Don't see a lot a difference between then and now except they lost by 2 on the road.

You could make that justification, OR you could say that this is a one game fluke:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2009, 09:31:52 PM
For me, personally, I have to honestly wonder if it was some kind of fluke (aka Witt losing at Hiram) just because of everything else on their schedule.


I guess it depends on how you look at it.  ;)

I don't believe that *everything* else on the schedule contradicts Wheaton staying close.
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Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on December 08, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
GS - your right, I didn't mention those things.  I did however see the S.A.D. play 2 games, and if they are a top 20 team, then D3 hoops (basketball at the D3 level, not this website) have taken a couple of huge steps backwards.  

WashU 64 Wheaton 62 in St Louis. A sad day for D3 hoops.  ;) :o

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Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1625Washington U.6-0def. #8 Wheaton (Ill.), 64-62; 12/12 vs. #15 Augustana
#2586John Carroll6-1LOST at Mount Union, 62-67; 12/12 at T#35 Wilmington
#3582St. Thomas6-0def. Augsburg, 77-61; vs. St. Mary's (Minn.) cancelled POSTPONED
#4550UW-Stevens Point7-012/10 at #5 UW-Whitewater; 12/12 vs. Elmhurst
#5514UW-Whitewater7-012/10 vs. #4 UW-Stevens Point; 12/12 at UW-Superior
#6490Randolph-Macon6-012/13 vs. Alvernia
#7448Guilford5-1def. Hampden-Sydney, 77-72
#8374Wheaton (Ill.)5-2LOST at #1 Washington U., 62-64; 12/12 vs. Grinnell
#9359Middlebury7-0IDLE
#10349Mass-Dartmouth6-1def. Worcester State, 90-78; 12/12 at Western Connecticut
#11324Texas-Dallas6-1IDLE
#12319Chapman7-1LOST to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 56-57; 12/12 vs. La Verne
#13254Richard Stockton5-212/11 vs. T#43 Albright (n); 12/12 vs. TBA @ King's College (n)
#14251St. Mary's (Md.)6-1def. Salisbury, 72-60; 12/12 at York (Pa.)
#15228Augustana5-1LOST at Gonzaga, 40-79; 12/12 at #1 Washington U.
#16218Franklin and Marshall6-2def. Gettysburg, 61-52
#17185Amherst5-1def. Emmanuel, 98-76; 12/12 at Lasell
#18181Brandeis7-1IDLE
#19154St. Norbert6-0POSTPONED: 12/09 vs. Beloit
#20120Williams7-0def. Framingham State, 88-50; 12/12 vs. Springfield
#21113DeSales5-3LOST at Catholic, 66-70; 12/12 vs. St. John Fisher
#22107Mississippi College6-0def. Texas Lutheran, 79-66; 12/12 vs. Wesley (Miss.)
#2392Wooster4-312/13 vs. North Carolina Wesleyan (n)
#2491Carthage6-2IDLE
#2590Virginia Wesleyan7-112/12 vs. Shenandoah


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2687Elms5-112/10 vs. Wheaton (Mass.); 12/12 at Husson
#2786MIT9-0def. Mass-Boston, 74-54; 12/10 vs. Salem State; 12/12 vs. Lesley
#2876Hope4-212/11 vs. Purdue-North Central; 12/12 vs. TBA
#2957UW-Platteville6-212/10 vs. UW-Oshkosh; 12/12 at UW-La Crosse
#3045Eastern Mennonite8-012/12 at Southern Va.
#3142Chicago5-112/12 vs. Kalamazoo
#3237Illinois Wesleyan5-212/12 vs. MacMurray
#3318Cabrini6-0IDLE
#3414Wittenberg5-1def. Kenyon, 76-66; 12/12 at #37 Anderson
T#3512Wilmington7-112/12 vs. #2 John Carroll
T#3512Worcester Polytech7-1def. University of New England, 88-70; 12/11 vs. Gwynedd-Mercy (n); 12/12 vs. TBA @ Weston, MA (n)
#379Anderson6-1def. Bluffton, 68-47; 12/12 vs. #34 Wittenberg
#387Whittier4-012/10 at Biola
#395Rochester7-1def. Hobart, 68-63
T#403DePauw6-1def. Purdue-North Cent., 92-70; 12/11 at Wabash
T#403Illinois College5-112/10 vs. Monmouth
#422Manchester5-3LOST at Defiance, 82-95; 12/12 at Mount St. Joseph
T#431Albright6-0def. Penn State-Berks, 85-62; 12/11 vs. #13 Richard Stockton (n); 12/12 vs. TBA @ King's Ramada Inn/Monarch Classic (n)
#443Maryville (Tenn.)6-112/12 vs. Rust
T#451New Jersey City5-2LOST to Brooklyn, 62-77; 12/12 at York (N.Y.)
T#451Scranton6-212/12 at Elizabethtown

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Quote from: USee on December 09, 2009, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on December 08, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
GS - your right, I didn't mention those things.  I did however see the S.A.D. play 2 games, and if they are a top 20 team, then D3 hoops (basketball at the D3 level, not this website) have taken a couple of huge steps backwards.  

WashU 64 Wheaton 62 in St Louis. A sad day for D3 hoops.  ;) :o

I completely agree    :P
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Hugenerd

I like the mid-week update Darryl!

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Quote from: USee on December 09, 2009, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on December 08, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
GS - your right, I didn't mention those things.  I did however see the S.A.D. play 2 games, and if they are a top 20 team, then D3 hoops (basketball at the D3 level, not this website) have taken a couple of huge steps backwards.  

WashU 64 Wheaton 62 in St Louis. A sad day for D3 hoops.  ;) :o

Nicely done, USee. :D
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Hugenerd

MIT first team in the country to 10 wins tonight.   They have one more game at home on Saturday before the winter break.

Marty Peretz

What's up with Wooster? I haven't been following them but was told this was their year to make a real run. I was really looking forward to the Wooster-Wash.U game but with 3 L's in the early going,  a WUSTL victory would seem to virtually be a foregone conclusion. Anyone have a scoop?

David Collinge

Quote from: Marty Peretz on December 12, 2009, 03:48:53 PM
What's up with Wooster? I haven't been following them but was told this was their year to make a real run. I was really looking forward to the Wooster-Wash.U game but with 3 L's in the early going,  a WUSTL victory would seem to virtually be a foregone conclusion. Anyone have a scoop?
I hope you don't mind if I attach this post to the bulletin board in Wooster's locker room, Marty.  Thanks for the help. 

For the record, Wooster and WashU. will only meet if both win (or both lose) in preliminary games on the 29th: WUSTL vs. Transylvania and Wooster vs. Kalamazoo. 

Marty Peretz

David,
It wasn't a knock on Wooster or meant as trash talk. I'm genuinely curious how they have lost 3 times because I was expecting them to be excellent. On paper, it would seem a 3 loss team would loset to the undefeated, number 1, and 2 time defending national champs. That's not trash talk; it's just a logical conclusion based on available information. I was asking the question though because I figured their L's might be anomalous and was hoping for some context. Not to mention, I don't think a great program like Wooster needs a message board to get them fired up to play the top team in the land. If they do, they're probably looking at loss number 4...