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[Gregory Sager]

Mugsy, Great video. What a great atmosphere for a D3 hoops game. The fans went crazy. Is that a big rivalry game?

If you were to ask basketball players from Wheaton who their top rival is in the CCIW, they'd say IWU.  Over the past 15 years, it seems as if almost every game between these two teams goes down the the wire - several with the CCIW championship on the line.

Football would be North Central and Augustana.

Ask Mugsy's wife who the big rival is.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mugsy, Great video. What a great atmosphere for a D3 hoops game. The fans went crazy. Is that a big rivalry game?

If you were to ask basketball players from Wheaton who their top rival is in the CCIW, they'd say IWU.  Over the past 15 years, it seems as if almost every game between these two teams goes down the the wire - several with the CCIW championship on the line.

Football would be North Central and Augustana.

Ask Mugsy's wife who the big rival is.

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

(And, yeah, since NPU beat Wheaton just 5 days ago, bad timing.   But how many consecutive losses preceded that game? )

[John Gleich]

Mugsy, Great video. What a great atmosphere for a D3 hoops game. The fans went crazy. Is that a big rivalry game?

If you were to ask basketball players from Wheaton who their top rival is in the CCIW, they'd say IWU.  Over the past 15 years, it seems as if almost every game between these two teams goes down the the wire - several with the CCIW championship on the line.

Football would be North Central and Augustana.

Ask Mugsy's wife who the big rival is.

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

(And, yeah, since NPU beat Wheaton just 5 days ago, bad timing.   But how many consecutive losses preceded that game? )

Is a rivalry a true rivalry if it isn't...     hmm...      equally yoked?

[Gregory Sager]

Mugsy, Great video. What a great atmosphere for a D3 hoops game. The fans went crazy. Is that a big rivalry game?

If you were to ask basketball players from Wheaton who their top rival is in the CCIW, they'd say IWU.  Over the past 15 years, it seems as if almost every game between these two teams goes down the the wire - several with the CCIW championship on the line.

Football would be North Central and Augustana.

Ask Mugsy's wife who the big rival is.

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

(And, yeah, since NPU beat Wheaton just 5 days ago, bad timing.   But how many consecutive losses preceded that game? )

Doesn't matter. We're on a one-game winning streak, and that's all that counts.

Besides, when's the last time that Wheaton brought in the local cops because of the visiting fans? You don't bring in cops when the Titans come to your gym -- you bring in EMTs who have specialized training in gerontological emergencies.

Is a rivalry a true rivalry if it isn't...     hmm...      equally yoked?

Nicely-played biblical reference, PS.

[sac]

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

Kalamazoo hasn't beaten Hope in basketball since 1998 or football since 1994.......ask them if they still consider Hope a rival.

[Mr. Ypsi]

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

Kalamazoo hasn't beaten Hope in basketball since 1998 or football since 1994.......ask them if they still consider Hope a rival.

I acknowledged that NPU considers it a rivalry despite the one-sided outcomes.  So the K'zoo/Hope comparison works ONLY if Hope considers it a rivalry, not K'zoo.

[Gregory Sager]

Oh, I freely concede that the NPU/Wheaton rivalry is mostly one-sided in terms of the intensity of the feelings at stake. I always have; it's common knowledge that NPU gets worked up about Wheaton a whole lot more than Wheaton gets worked up about NPU. But, as Mugsy would be the first to tell you, if the intensity of feelings within a campus community as a whole was the only barometer of whether a rivalry exists or not, Wheaton would have no rivals -- because it's not a sports hotbed as colleges go. The history of Wheaton postings on these boards has been one long complaint from Wheaton supporters about how hard it is to get their students, faculty, staff, etc., fired up about their teams, even though Wheaton is very successful in numerous sports.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mugsy, Great video. What a great atmosphere for a D3 hoops game. The fans went crazy. Is that a big rivalry game?

If you were to ask basketball players from Wheaton who their top rival is in the CCIW, they'd say IWU.  Over the past 15 years, it seems as if almost every game between these two teams goes down the the wire - several with the CCIW championship on the line.

Football would be North Central and Augustana.

Ask Mugsy's wife who the big rival is.

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

(And, yeah, since NPU beat Wheaton just 5 days ago, bad timing.   But how many consecutive losses preceded that game? )

Doesn't matter. We're on a one-game winning streak, and that's all that counts.

Besides, when's the last time that Wheaton brought in the local cops because of the visiting fans? You don't bring in cops when the Titans come to your gym -- you bring in EMTs who have specialized training in gerontological emergencies.

Well played, oh mighty one!

[For those in the dark, IWU has a reputation for just about the best traveling fan base around, but also for the average traveling fan being 80+.  Don't know about now, but when I attended, IWU always sent at least 100 students, even if we did have to go by mastodon-drawn sleighs. ]

[Ralph Turner]

McMurry has not beaten Hardin-Simmons in football since Grant Teaff was coach in the 1963 season, during the JFK administration!  (That includes the 26-season football hiatus at HSU from 1964-1989.)

However, HSU needs to win at least one game later this month to keep McMurry from sweeping them in Hoops (both men and women) for what may be the first time ever.

It should be a good one.

[Mugsy]

Oh, I freely concede that the NPU/Wheaton rivalry is mostly one-sided in terms of the intensity of the feelings at stake. I always have; it's common knowledge that NPU gets worked up about Wheaton a whole lot more than Wheaton gets worked up about NPU. But, as Mugsy would be the first to tell you, if the intensity of feelings within a campus community as a whole was the only barometer of whether a rivalry exists or not, Wheaton would have no rivals -- because it's not a sports hotbed as colleges go. The history of Wheaton postings on these boards has been one long complaint from Wheaton supporters about how hard it is to get their students, faculty, staff, etc., fired up about their teams, even though Wheaton is very successful in numerous sports.

Yup... I was speaking about rivals purely from a players perspective (both basketball and football).   An extremely large portion of the student body would not know how to answer such a question.

During my years at Wheaton we often joked that the attendence at home football games would double if they closed the library between 1 and 5pm on Saturdays.

[sac]

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

Kalamazoo hasn't beaten Hope in basketball since 1998 or football since 1994.......ask them if they still consider Hope a rival.

Not much doubt about it

[Mr. Ypsi]

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

Kalamazoo hasn't beaten Hope in basketball since 1998 or football since 1994.......ask them if they still consider Hope a rival.

Not much doubt about it

My question was whether HOPE still considers K'zoo a rival?  I thought Calvin pretty much absorbed all rivalry feelings!

[sac]

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

Kalamazoo hasn't beaten Hope in basketball since 1998 or football since 1994.......ask them if they still consider Hope a rival.

Not much doubt about it

My question was whether HOPE still considers K'zoo a rival?  I thought Calvin pretty much absorbed all rivalry feelings!

.......and my answer was not much doubt about it. ............. Not all of them, Kzoo actually plays football.

[Mr. Ypsi]

To NPU, but that wasn't the question.  Doesn't a rivalry require that the 'rival' occasionally wins a game?

Kalamazoo hasn't beaten Hope in basketball since 1998 or football since 1994.......ask them if they still consider Hope a rival.

Not much doubt about it

My question was whether HOPE still considers K'zoo a rival?  I thought Calvin pretty much absorbed all rivalry feelings!

.......and my answer was not much doubt about it. ............. Not all of them, Kzoo actually plays football.

Sorry.  By quoting this earlier post, I thought you had misunderstood and were reiterating that K'zoo definitely saw it as a rivalry.

[toooldtoplay]

Rivalry games can be one way. I remember a high school situation where many players left the home town and went to a nearby parochial power school - perennially one of the top teams in the state. The local high school always considered that the biggest 2 games of the year, had the biggest student turnout etc. I don't think the parochial school ever had the games high on their list.

I guess rivalry has many definitions. If MIT and Harvard play every year I am sure it is a far bigger deal for the MIT team and always circled on their calendar first than vice versa. If they should win one......................?