Top 25 talk

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

The inaugural report for 2010-11 should be considered a "beta test" (perhaps even alpha); it took a while to make my program read the new d3hoops format, and even then a few things went awry.  Washington U.'s team page, which should be at
 http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Washington%20U./men/2010-11/index
is missing, so my program could not track down those scores (and I was too lazy to do it on my own).  Hopefully that will be sorted out by Sunday. (fixed now - thanks Pat!)

Also note that the current online scoreboard does not make any distinction for games played at neutral sites, so losses in such games will look the same as losses at home.

I removed teams with 3 or fewer votes simply because (after adding this lengthy explanation) I had exceeded the posting length limit.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	621	UW-Stevens Point	2-0	def. Lawrence, 79-59; def. St. John's (Minn.), 78-51; 11/27 vs. Edgewood
#2	575	Randolph-Macon	3-0	def. Marymount, 89-46; def. Shenandoah, 84-62; def. #42 Gettysburg, 56-42; 11/26 at UW-La Crosse; 11/27 at Wabash/Otterbein
#3	556	Eastern Mennonite	4-0	def. Shenandoah, 85-71; def. Penn St.-Brandywine, 124-71; def. Southern Va., 75-72; def. Lancaster Bible, 84-78; 11/27 at Emory and Henry
#4	511	Illinois Wesleyan	4-0	def. Benedictine, 78-64; def. Aurora, 78-76; def. T#48 Ripon, 82-74; def. Monmouth, 81-68; 11/27 vs. Dominican
#5	503	Carthage	2-1	def. Calumet-St. Joseph, 74-33; def. Bethany Lutheran, 108-92; LOST to #18 John Carroll, 69-70; 11/24 at #16 Whitworth; 11/26 vs. Pacific
#6	495	Wooster	2-0	def. Cincinnati Christian, 103-78; def. Bethany, 79-52; 11/27 vs. Ohio Northern; 11/28 vs. TBD
#7	446	Franklin and Marshall	3-0	def. Penn State-Abington, 91-50; def. Elmira, 96-52; def. Washington College, 84-57; 11/27 at #11 St. Mary's (Md.)
#8	384	Williams	3-0	def. Southern Vermont, 97-65; def. Regis (Mass.), 58-48; def. Wesleyan, 80-76; 11/28 vs. Massachusetts College
#9	350	Middlebury	3-0	def. Baruch, 63-60; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 86-62; def. St. Joseph (Vt.), 83-69; 11/28 vs. Johnson State
#10	348	St. Norbert	3-0	def. Marian, 67-55; def. UW-Oshkosh, 59-44; def. Elmhurst, 74-48
#11	341	St. Mary's (Md.)	2-1	def. Johns Hopkins, 73-66; def. Hood, 77-60; LOST to Frostburg State, 54-56; 11/27 vs. #7 Franklin and Marshall
#12	282	Virginia Wesleyan	5-0	def. Salisbury, 67-63; def. Averett, 68-59; def. T#57 Wesley, 96-80; def. Maryland Bible, 80-56; def. T#52 Christopher Newport, 79-57; 11/28 at Methodist
#13	244	St. Thomas	3-0	def. Concordia-St. Paul, 76-72; def. Pacific Lutheran, 73-70; def. Puget Sound, 69-49; 11/23 vs. T#45 UW-River Falls
#14	236	Anderson	2-0	def. Kalamazoo, 78-51; def. Olivet, 83-72; 11/27 at #24 Augustana
#15	202	MIT	2-1	def. Emmanuel, 91-61; LOST at Framingham State, 70-73; def. Curry, 90-63; 11/27 at Suffolk
#16	194	Whitworth	2-0	def. #33 Loras, 74-50; def. Trinity (Texas), 75-54; 11/24 vs. #5 Carthage; 11/27 vs. Luther
#17	177	Hope	0-1	LOST at Davenport, 67-81; 11/26 vs. Cornerstone; 11/27 at TBA
#18	176	John Carroll	3-0	def. Medaille, 82-70; def. Ind.-Northwest, 117-80; def. #5 Carthage, 70-69; 11/27 vs. Bethany; 11/28 vs. TBD
#19	174	Guilford	3-2	LOST to Greensboro, 73-76; def. Methodist, 77-53; def. McMurry, 75-60; LOST to Emory, 61-69; def. Averett, 61-52
#20	152	Washington U.	2-2	def. MacMurray, 79-57; def. UW-Eau Claire, 62-57; lost at UW-Platteville, 49-64; lost at Augustana, 55-78; 11/28 at Hanover (thanks, magicman)
#21	130	UW-Whitewater	2-1	def. Defiance, 95-91; LOST at #28 Wheaton (Ill.), 66-92; def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 82-67
#22	126	Plattsburgh State	3-1	def. Lyndon State, 100-81; LOST at T#48 Western Connecticut, 80-86; def. Wheelock, 86-69; def. Clarkson, 75-70
#23	111	Texas-Dallas	1-1	def. Austin, 98-84; LOST to Schreiner, 65-75; 11/27 vs. Howard Payne
#24	106	Augustana	2-0	def. Simpson, 85-66; def. #20 Washington U., 78-55; 11/27 vs. #14 Anderson
#25	78	Manchester	2-0	def. #28 Wheaton (Ill.), 79-60; def. Kalamazoo, 78-63; 11/28 vs. North Central (Ill.)

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	74	Worcester Polytech	3-1	def. Salem State, 78-62; def. Nichols, 73-45; lost at Becker, 62-61; def. Framingham State, 90-56
#27	67	Rhode Island College	3-1	LOST to Becker, 53-67; def. Clark, 63-49; def. Lasell, 70-47; def. T#52 Bridgewater State, 62-61
#28	66	Wheaton (Ill.)	3-1	LOST at #25 Manchester, 60-79; def. Covenant, 77-40; def. #21 UW-Whitewater, 92-66; def. #33 Loras, 79-63
#29	55	Brandeis	4-0	def. Lasell, 73-51; def. Newbury, 89-60; def. Curry, 81-69; def. Mass-Dartmouth, 71-69
#30	53	Carleton	0-1	LOST at Wartburg, 52-56; 11/26 at Hawaii Pacific; 11/28 at Chaminade
#31	41	Chapman	2-0	def. La Verne, 67-49; def. Redlands, 78-67; 11/26 at Azusa Pacific; 11/27 vs. Puget Sound
#32	32	Cabrini	2-0	def. Haverford, 84-75; def. Drew, 70-62
#33	30	Loras	0-3	LOST at Edgewood, 55-74; LOST at #16 Whitworth, 50-74; LOST at #28 Wheaton (Ill.), 63-79; 11/27 vs. St. Olaf; 11/28 at UW-Platteville
#34	29	William Paterson	3-1	def. FDU-Florham, 58-44; def. Emory and Henry, 55-32; LOST at Stevens, 52-63; def. New York City Tech, 57-42; 11/28 at Manhattanville
#35	27	Centre	3-1	def. Maryville (Tenn.), 76-75; def. LaGrange, 62-48; def. Huntingdon, 64-45; LOST to Transylvania, 51-56
T#36	16	Albright	2-1	LOST at Elmira, 70-77; def. Penn State-Abington, 105-67; def. King's, 57-48
T#36	16	DeSales	4-0	def. Penn State-Berks, 92-77; def. Penn St.-Schuylkill, 72-54; def. Alvernia, 77-74; def. Moravian, 70-64
T#38	11	Amherst	3-0	def. Maine-Farmington, 90-89; def. Castleton State, 56-34; def. Western New England, 93-64
T#38	11	Merchant Marine	2-2	def. Coast Guard, 83-72; LOST at SUNY-Maritime, 65-66; LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 67-70; def. Caltech, 67-59
#40	10	Ramapo	4-0	def. York (N.Y.), 70-60; def. Yeshiva, 76-54; def. Salve Regina, 88-68; def. Manhattanville, 83-74
#41	9	St. John Fisher	1-2	LOST at Mary Washington, 52-73; LOST at T#52 Christopher Newport, 65-69; def. Brockport State, 80-75
#42	8	Gettysburg	2-1	def. Penn State-Altoona, 79-39; LOST to #2 Randolph-Macon, 42-56; def. T#57 Muhlenberg, 74-67; 11/28 vs. York (Pa.)
#43	7	SUNYIT	0-2	LOST to Utica, 63-75; LOST to Medaille, 74-75
#44	6	Wittenberg	0-2	LOST at Ind.-East, 84-90; LOST at Capital, 56-80; 11/27 at Washington and Jefferson; 11/28 at TBD
T#45	4	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	1-0	def. Azusa Pacific, 81-79; 11/20 at Concordia-Irvine; 11/26 vs. Trinity (Texas); 11/27 at UC Santa Cruz
T#45	4	Franklin	2-2	def. Trine, 89-86; LOST at DePauw, 58-64; LOST at Wabash, 55-96; def. Millikin, 74-62; 11/27 vs. Cornell
T#45	4	UW-River Falls	3-0	def. Viterbo, 74-41; def. Simpson, 90-69; def. Northwestern (Minn.), 83-65; 11/23 at #13 St. Thomas; 11/26 at Southwestern

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Bluffton	3-0	def. North Central (Ill.), 61-56; def. Valley City St., 87-72; def. Hiram, 71-60; 11/27 vs. Kalamazoo

Oh, shucks, how did that last one get on there?  (Forgive me ... after a 2-23 campaign last season, our 3-0 start is one of the things I am thankful for this year.)

[magicman]

Darryl,
Here's the Washington U scores:

11-15   won at MacMurray  79-57

11-19   won vs. UW-Eau Claire 62-57

11-20   lost at UW-Platteville 49-64

11-22   lost at Augustana 55-78

11-28  at Hanover

[nwhoops1903]

#5 Carthage vs #16 Whitworth tonight in Honolulu,  8:00pm HST.

Carthage (2-1)
G – Steve Djurickovic, 6-3 Sr (21.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 8.3 apg)
G – Malcolm Kelly, 6-0 So (14.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg)
G – Max Cary, 6-4 Jr (10.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg)
F – Mitch Thompson, 6-6 So (10.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg)
C – Tyler Pierce, 6-5 So (10.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg)


Whitworth (2-0)
G - Wade Gebbers, 5-11 So (9.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg)
G - Clay Gebbers, 6-1 Sr (5.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg)
F - David Riley, 6-5 Sr (16.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg)
F - Mike Taylor, 6-8 Jr (15.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg)  WW has 2 Michael Taylor's.  Starter is 6-5 Sr.
F - Felix Friedt, 6-8 Jr (9.5 ppg, 6.0 rpg)

http://www.clusports.com/pages/tournaments/2010SurfsUpClassicCentral.php


This will be the third Top 25 matchup of the young season (Carthage vs John Carroll, Augustana vs Wash U).

Middlebury, MIT, Plattsburgh State, Texas-Dallas.

* Augustana will potentially play 4 games vs Top 25 teams in November and December...Randolph-Macon plays 3.

WW leads 72-64 with 3:30 to play.

[nwhoops1903]

#5 Carthage vs #16 Whitworth tonight in Honolulu,  8:00pm HST.
Whitworth wins 81-69.

Michael Taylor leads with 26, David Riley 20 (18 second half).  Whitworth out muscles and out rebounds Carthage by 16 and shoots 61% FG for game.  Cladis leads CU with 15 and SD has 13.

Redman shoot 14-25 from stripe.  WW 17-23 from the line.

Go Pirates!!

[Darryl Nester]

... Washington U.'s team page, which should be at
  http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Washington%20U./men/2010-11/index
is missing, so my program could not track down those scores (and I was too lazy to do it on my own).  Hopefully that will be sorted out by Sunday.

15 minutes after I posted that (and less than an hour after I'd emailed him about it), Pat had this fixed.

Thanks for doing the leg work (or mousework?), magicman.  I'll edit the posting to include those scores.

[Pat Coleman]

No problem -- all of the team pages were set up by humans at PrestoSports and some of them I haven't even laid eyes on yet.

About 80 or so teams will have the incomplete schedules note and Gordon Mann and I continue to do the collecting and posting there. Unfortunately, yes, some schools do not participate with D3hoops.com, even ones that, say, have gotten gigantic front-page coverage from us in the past or even this week.

[KnightSlappy]

Also note that the current online scoreboard does not make any distinction for games played at neutral sites, so losses in such games will look the same as losses at home.

I noticed this too. This could be a bummer with the rumored home/neutral/away OWP adjustment. Pat, would it be possible (and not a ton of work) to add a neutral site designation on the team pages?

[Pat Coleman]

Definitely possible since it was on our old site, which was fueled by the same data.

[Titan Q]

Huge Midwest matchup tonight as #24 Augustana hosts #14 Anderson at 7:30pm.  

#24 Augustana (2-0)
G – Brian DeSimone, 6-1 Jr (7.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.0 apg)
G – Chris Anderson, 6-4 Jr (17.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg)
F – Bryant Voilles, 6-9 Jr (9.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 4.5 apg)
F – Brandon Kunz, 6-7 So (7.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg
F – Kyle Nelson, 6-9 Sr (20.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg)

#14 Anderson (2-0)
G - Jarrin Forte, 6-0 Fr (11.5 ppg, 0.5 rpg, 2.0 apg)
G - Gabe Miller, 6-3 Sr (10.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 9.5 apg)
F - Brock Morrison, 6-3 Jr (15.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg)
F - Andrew Bowman, 6-7 Sr (14.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg)
C - Andrew Jones, 6-6 Sr (16.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg)


I believe when all is said and done, either Anderson or St. Norbert will be considered the best Augie non-conference opponent (better than UW-Whitewater and Wash U).  Last year the Vikings won by 7 at Anderson, so you have to think Augie is a clear favorite tonight.

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Also today, #7 vs #11...

Remaining Top 25 matchups in November and December...

Nov 27
#7 Franklin & Marshall @ #11 St. Mary's (Md)
#14 Anderson @ #24 Augustana

Dec 1
#2 Randolph-Macon vs #12 Virginia Wesleyan

Dec 3
#5 Carthage vs #17 Hope

Dec 4
#2 Randolph-Macon @ #3 Eastern Mennonite

Dec 8
#1 UW-Stevens Point vs #21 UW-Whitewater

Dec 11
#2 Randolph-Macon vs #19 Guilford

Dec 15
#21 UW-Whitewater @ #24 Augustana

Dec 18
#4 Illinois Wesleyan @ #20 Washington U.

Dec 20
#6 Wooster @ #14 Anderson

Dec 22
#1 UW-Stevens Point @ #13 St. Thomas

Dec 28
#6 Wooster vs #18 John Carroll

Dec 29
#19 Guilford @ #25 Manchester

Dec 30
#10 St. Norbert vs #24 Augustana (potential tournament matchup)


* 5 Top 25 teams do not face another Top 25 team in November and December -- Williams, Middlebury, MIT, Plattsburgh State, Texas-Dallas.

* Augustana will potentially play 4 games vs Top 25 teams in November and December...Randolph-Macon plays 3.

[wooscotsfan]

Final:  #6 Wooster 67  Ohio Northern 53

Wooster wins this neutral site game easily as they are led by Ian Franks with 20 points, Nathan Balch with 15 points and Bryan Wickliffe with 11 points.

Scots are 3-0 and play in the tourney championship game tomorrow vs the Carnegie Mellon/Susquehanna winner.

[kiltedbryan]

Wabash College, off to a solid 5-0 start (against generally light competition), rattled off a 10-0 run to end the half and take a 36-26 lead into the locker room against #2 Randolph-Macon in the championship game of the Pete Thorn Tournament at Wabash.

I was going to post earlier that 'Bash might deserve some voting consideration if they simply managed to stay close to Randy-Mac today, and so far so good.

UPDATE:
(wooscotsfan beat me to the headline!)

Final:
Wabash 60
Randolph-Macon 45

Wabash immediately ran the lead out to about 20 at the start of the second half and never looked back, generally holding the lead between 15-20 the rest of the way.  A great game for Wabash's Wes Smith (27pts, 9 boards), who already had 25 pts when RMC only had 28 as a team.

RMC falls to 4-1.  Wabash improves to 6-0, and will probably start generating some Top 25 discussion.

[wooscotsfan]

Final:  Wabash 60  #2 Randolph-Macon 45

Wabash pulls the big upset as the Little Giants win their own tourney.  Little Giants are now 6-0 and deserve votes in the next Top 25 poll!

[David Collinge]

#18 John Carroll survives an upset bid at home, outlasting Bethany (2-3), 90-85.  JCU figures to be tested again tomorrow as they face Michael McClary and Olivet (3-2).

[nwhoops1903]

WW follows up the victory over Carthage with another win in Hawaii, 86-67 over Luther.

[magicman]

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps fresh off its' defeat of Azusa Pacific and Trinity (Texas) gets edged by UC Santa Cruz 62-60 on Sat. night.