Top 25 talk

[nwhoops1903]

Interesting to know, I think the PG is probably the most important position on the court, How many of these preseason top 25 teams replaced their starting PG this season, and have lost already?

Wooster did, and hasn't.

Whitworth did, and hasn't.

[John Gleich]

#1 Stevens Point loses at RV River Falls 73-60.

[Titan Q]

And down goes #2...

Chicago 83
IWU 78

[John Gleich]

And #3 is trailing at the half:

30-36 to Randolph Macon

Live Stats

[nwhoops1903]

TRIPLE OUCH!  or 2.5 ouch to be fair.

Upset night in America?  Not for Oregon or Auburn.

[David Collinge]

#4 is leading by 17 at the half.  I wonder if word of those other scores has filtered into the Wooster locker room.

UPDATE:  #4 Wooster positions themselves with an 81-51 win over Denison.  I'm sure the Scots are racing to the nearest TV to watch updates of the RMC/EMU game. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

RMC beats EMU!

[cubs]

Not quite set in stone, but my current preseason Top 25...


#22 UW-Whitewater (23-6 overall, 13-3 WIAC/West) – Round of 32, lost to Wooster
Starters Returning: (2) G Phil Negri, 6-3 SR (8.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg), F Alex Edmunds, 6-4 JR (7.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg)

Starters Lost: (3) C Dustin Mitchell, 6-9 (18.0 ppg, 8.7 rpg), G Dupree Fletcher, 6-2 (14.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg), F Mike Bendall, 6-6 (10.2 ppg, 5.1 rpg)

Top Returning Reserve: G Nolan Free, 6-1 SO (6.4 ppg, 4.1 rpg)

Really just a crapshoot, but that's what I got.

I have a pretty good source that has told me that Free will not be playing this season for Whitewater, and PG Negri is still having back issues that plagued him last season.  Take those two out of the rotation, and the Warhawks look "thin" in terms of experience.  While Negri may still be on the roster once the season rolls around, one has to wonder just how effective he will be.

River Falls is the team in the WIAC that I would keep an eye on as the season goes along.  Just have a hunch that they will be solid this season.

This post looks A LOT better after River Falls victory over Stevens Point today!!!! 

[magicman]

#26 Plattsburgh State improves to 6-1 with 2 victories this weekend to open conference play. The Cardinals are now off until January 4th when they take on currently ranked #6 Middlebury. But who knows, the way the top teams are falling Middlebury may be #1 by then. I just hope that Plattsburgh rejoins the top 25 this week so that the Jan. 4th matchup is of 2 ranked teams.

On Friday Plattsburgh defeated New Paltz State 87-73 after leading the Hawks by as much as 26 pts in the 2nd half. All American candidate Chris Ruiz moved into 5th place on the Plattsburgh St. all time scoring list with 1243 career points.

On Saturday Plattsburgh beat last year's regular season co-champs Oneonta 69-60. The Cards led by 22 late in the 2nd half before Plattsburgh's Coach Curle emptied his bench. The Cardinals are shooting for their second straight SUNYAC championship which would make it five out of the last six. They are currently tied with Oswego St for the conference lead, both with 2-0 records. 

[smedindy]

Not only did UWSP lose - they also lost the Belt^TM!

[nwhoops1903]

Whitworth leads Linfield 39-14 at half. No drama here.

Now 71-34 with 9:00 to go

WW wins 90-57.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

This still does not include information about overtime or neutral-court games, but should be otherwise complete.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	UW-Stevens Point	4-1	def. UW-Stout, 79-68; LOST at #41 UW-River Falls, 60-73
#2	587	Illinois Wesleyan	6-1	def. Webster, 84-80; LOST to Chicago, 78-83
#3	585	Eastern Mennonite	6-1	def. Hampden-Sydney, 79-63; LOST to #7 Randolph-Macon, 68-73
#4	535	Wooster	6-0	def. Hiram, 74-60; def. Denison, 81-51
#5	493	Williams	7-0	def. RPI, 89-73; def. St. Joseph's (Vt.), 102-56; def. Vassar, 92-42
#6	467	Middlebury	6-0	def. Castleton State, 66-44; def. Union, 64-52
#7	448	Randolph-Macon	5-2	LOST to #9 Virginia Wesleyan, 57-59; def. #3 Eastern Mennonite, 73-68
#8	428	St. Norbert	5-0	def. Grinnell, 112-85; def. Monmouth, 66-52
#9	416	Virginia Wesleyan	8-0	def. #7 Randolph-Macon, 59-57; def. Emory and Henry, 67-57
#10	380	Whitworth	6-0	def. #47 Lewis and Clark, 77-60; def. Linfield, 90-57
#11	366	St. Thomas	6-0	def. Macalester, 72-63; def. Bethel, 93-65
#12	321	Augustana	4-0	def. Monmouth, 66-59
#13	317	Wabash	8-0	def. #32 DePauw, 57-40; def. Hiram, 59-56
#14	290	St. Mary's (Md.)	5-1	def. #25 Christopher Newport, 86-67; def. Stevenson, 113-88
#15	240	Franklin and Marshall	5-1	def. Ursinus, 78-69; def. T#49 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, 64-63
#16	195	John Carroll	5-1	def. #36 Capital, 93-87
#17	181	Anderson	3-2	LOST at Defiance, 67-72; def. Mount St. Joseph, 70-58
#18	157	Carthage	5-2	def. T#49 Hope, 71-70; def. Calvin, 88-80
#19	145	Brandeis	8-0	def. Clark, 67-65; def. Framingham State, 73-47; def. Babson, 59-53; def. Tufts, 60-52
#20	107	MIT	6-1	def. Emerson, 70-56; def. Newbury, 61-53; def. Gordon, 92-73
#21	93	Wheaton (Ill.)	5-2	def. Chicago, 95-67; def. Calvin, 86-64; LOST to T#49 Hope, 74-80
#22	90	Ramapo	6-1	def. Rowan, 89-72; LOST to Southern Va., 71-77; def. Anna Maria, 91-72
#23	87	Amherst	6-0	def. Lasell, 108-68; def. Westfield State, 110-57; def. Elms, 93-60
#24	65	DeSales	4-2	LOST at #48 Manhattanville, 55-67; LOST to Delaware Valley, 79-82
#25	61	Christopher Newport	4-2	LOST at #14 St. Mary's (Md.), 67-86

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	57	Plattsburgh State	6-1	def. St. Lawrence, 62-58; def. New Paltz State, 87-73; def. Oneonta State, 69-60
#27	51	Texas-Dallas	4-2	def. Sul Ross State, 81-52; def. Hardin-Simmons, 58-54; LOST at McMurry, 60-72
#28	45	WPI	5-1	def. Curry, 76-56; def. Lasell, 89-63
#29	42	Emory	6-0	def. Methodist, 88-82
#30	31	Chapman	6-1	def. American Sports Univ, 76-53; def. Whittier, 78-62; def. Redlands, 70-57
#31	28	New York University	5-0	def. Merchant Marine, 56-53; def. Polytechnic, 102-75
#32	24	DePauw	5-2	LOST to #13 Wabash, 40-57; LOST to Birmingham-Southern, 57-65; def. Rhodes, 58-55
#33	21	Catholic	6-0	def. Haverford, 52-40; def. Carnegie Mellon, 52-50; def. Goucher, 73-57
T#34	20	Rhode Island College	5-1	def. Johnson and Wales, 79-70; def. Eastern Connecticut, 52-49
T#34	20	UW-Whitewater	3-2	def. UW-La Crosse, 73-60; LOST at UW-Stout, 80-85
#36	17	Capital	4-2	LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 57-67; LOST to #16 John Carroll, 87-93
#37	14	Colorado College	5-2	LOST at Regis (Colo.), 57-71; def. Hendrix, 68-48; def. Millsaps, 55-51
#38	12	Western Connecticut	6-1	def. Trinity (Conn.), 73-62; def. Southern Maine, 88-71
T#39	9	Guilford	5-2	def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 64-47; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 78-65
T#39	9	Ripon	4-1	def. Knox, 97-79; def. Grinnell, 125-113
#41	8	UW-River Falls	6-1	def. UW-Superior, 62-58; def. #1 UW-Stevens Point, 73-60
T#42	7	Ferrum	5-0	def. Randolph, 70-68
T#42	7	Manchester	3-2	def. Earlham, 72-63; LOST at Hanover, 72-81
T#44	6	Cabrini	4-1	LOST at Widener, 70-74; def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 86-83; def. Rosemont, 72-51
T#44	6	Centre	5-1	def. Rhodes, 63-60; def. Birmingham-Southern, 62-45
T#44	6	Gettysburg	4-2	def. Johns Hopkins, 73-57; LOST at Haverford, 55-65
#47	3	Lewis and Clark	5-1	LOST to #10 Whitworth, 60-77; def. Whitman, 95-81
#48	2	Manhattanville	6-1	def. #24 DeSales, 67-55; def. King's, 76-75
T#49	1	Becker	5-1	def. Anna Maria, 81-76; def. Fitchburg State, 91-53
T#49	1	Bowdoin	3-2	LOST to Southern Maine, 68-70; LOST at Bates, 65-86
T#49	1	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	2-3	LOST at #15 Franklin and Marshall, 63-64; LOST at Washington U., 57-66
T#49	1	Hope	2-3	LOST at #18 Carthage, 70-71; def. #21 Wheaton (Ill.), 80-74

[nwhoops1903]

I am a big fan of Massey.  

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1

So does anyone think any of the top 3 from last week deserve to fall from the top 10?

[John Gleich]

I am a big fan of Massey.  

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2011&sub=NCAA%20III&mid=1

So does anyone think any of the top 3 from last week deserve to fall from the top 10?

If we look at the top three and to whom (and how) they lost, that might shed some light.

Point lost on the road to River Falls, who was receiving votes and is 6-1 on the year, with their lone loss to #11 St. Thomas.

IWU lost at home to Chicago, who is 2-4.

Eastern Mennonite lost at home to #7 Randolph Macon who is 5-2.


Stevens Point and IWU had all of the first place votes (22-3 to Stevens Point).  All three ballots that have IWU first had Stevens Point second.

Interestingly, IWU and EMU only differed by two points... Think about it... if IWU's 3 first place votes had gone to Point instead of the Titans, then IWU would have been 3rd instead of second... that's how close #2 and #3 were with the last vote.

And #4 Wooster was two entire positions (50 points) behind EMU on the average ballot. 


I think they'll definitely stay in the top 10.  They may all stay in the top 5.  Heck, Point may even stay #1.  Wooster will pick up some first place votes... but I wonder if Williams deserves it more.  They had a 10 point lead with 10 minutes in the national championship game last year and appear to be playing really well right now.

Virginia Wesleyan has the best win of the top 10 teams who didn't lose... but how do you stack up the ODAC?  Randy Mac lost to Va Wesleyan but beat EMU.  Va Wesleyan beat Randy Mac and is unbeaten... but they were the lowest ranked of the three.  So do you rank them VWC, RMC, EMU?  Or does RMC's loss (giving them 2) keep them behind EMU, even though they just beat them?  Does their loss to Wabash factor in, ranking Wabash ahead of RMC?  Or does RMC's loss possibly push Wabash back a little bit, because RMC hasn't lived up to their preseason #3 ranking...

[Hugenerd]

New rankings out, Wooster #1 and Williams #2.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2010-11/week2