Top 25 talk

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared--Midweek Report

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	617	Wooster	15-0	def. Oberlin, 82-55; 01/15 at Denison
#2	585	Virginia Wesleyan	15-0	def. Randolph, 53-50; 01/15 at Roanoke
#3	550	Whitworth	13-0	01/14 at George Fox; 01/15 at Willamette
#4	540	St. Thomas	13-0	def. Concordia-Moorhead, 69-61
#5	527	Middlebury	11-0	01/14 at Tufts; 01/15 at Bates
#6	471	Williams	13-1	01/14 at Bates; 01/15 at Tufts
#7	454	Wabash	13-1	01/15 at Allegheny
#8	443	Augustana	14-0	def. T#32 Wheaton (Ill.), 70-57; 01/15 at T#39 Carthage
#9	434	UW-Stevens Point	12-3	def. Macalester, 82-51; LOST at UW-Platteville, 56-57; 01/15 at UW-Superior
#10	400	Amherst	12-0	01/14 at Connecticut College; 01/15 at Wesleyan
#11	375	Randolph-Macon	13-2	def. #14 Eastern Mennonite, 83-78; 01/15 vs. Emory and Henry
#12	341	UW-River Falls	14-2	def. UW-La Crosse, 89-83; 01/15 vs. UW-Platteville
#13	337	Brandeis	11-0	def. Bates, 53-50; 01/14 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/16 at Case Western Reserve
#14	311	Eastern Mennonite	11-3	LOST at #11 Randolph-Macon, 78-83; 01/15 vs. Guilford
#15	288	St. Norbert	9-3	LOST at Ripon, 60-70; 01/14 at #41 Illinois College; 01/15 at Knox
#16	217	Western Connecticut	12-2	LOST to Keene State, 76-81; 01/15 vs. Mass-Boston
#17	215	St. Mary's (Md.)	11-3	def. Mary Washington, 91-65; 01/15 vs. Frostburg State
#18	212	Franklin and Marshall	10-3	LOST at McDaniel, 53-61; 01/13 at Muhlenberg; 01/15 at Washington College
#19	114	Illinois Wesleyan	11-3	def. Millikin, 75-56; 01/15 vs. Elmhurst
#20	76	Ithaca	11-3	LOST at Utica, 81-85
#21	74	Hanover	11-2	def. Franklin, 82-56; 01/15 vs. T#36 Anderson
#22	73	Ferrum	14-1	def. Greensboro, 69-61; 01/15 at Christopher Newport
#23	71	WPI	11-3	01/13 vs. T#32 MIT; 01/15 at Coast Guard
#24	70	Chapman	12-2	01/13 at UC Santa Cruz; 01/15 at Menlo
#25	69	New York University	11-1	def. Hunter, 85-59; 01/14 at Case Western Reserve; 01/16 at Carnegie Mellon

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	61	Ramapo	12-3	def. Montclair State, 75-66; 01/13 at Rutgers-Newark; 01/15 at Rutgers-Camden
#27	53	Marietta	13-2	LOST to Capital, 74-82; 01/15 vs. #35 John Carroll
#28	35	Becker	11-2	def. Elms, 81-71; 01/13 vs. Newbury; 01/15 at Daniel Webster
T#29	22	Mary Hardin-Baylor	11-2	def. Concordia (Texas), 107-100; 01/13 vs. Schreiner; 01/15 at Texas Lutheran
T#29	22	Washington and Lee	10-4	LOST to Roanoke, 59-73; 01/16 vs. Lynchburg
#31	16	Plattsburgh State	7-4	01/14 at Cortland State; 01/15 at Oswego State
T#32	12	MIT	10-4	01/13 at #23 WPI; 01/15 vs. Clark
T#32	12	Wheaton (Ill.)	10-4	LOST at #8 Augustana, 57-70; 01/15 vs. North Park
#34	6	Manhattanville	10-3	01/13 vs. FDU-Florham; 01/15 at Misericordia
#35	5	John Carroll	10-4	def. Muskingum, 76-62; 01/15 at #27 Marietta
T#36	4	Anderson	10-4	def. Rose-Hulman, 69-54; 01/15 at #21 Hanover
T#36	4	Lewis and Clark	10-3	01/14 at Pacific Lutheran; 01/15 at Pacific
T#36	4	Rhode Island College	8-4	LOST at Southern Maine, 88-95; 01/13 at Colby; 01/15 vs. Plymouth State
T#39	2	Carthage	9-5	def. Elmhurst, 73-63; 01/15 vs. #8 Augustana
T#39	2	Centre	9-3	01/14 vs. Hendrix; 01/16 vs. Millsaps
#41	1	Illinois College	9-2	def. Grinnell, 104-92; 01/14 vs. #15 St. Norbert; 01/15 vs. Ripon

[magicman]

#5 Middlebury remains undefeated with a 79-63 road victory over Tufts.

#6 Williams tops host Bates 66-50. Ephs big guy Troy Whittington returns from injury with a double-double of 14 pts and 10 rebounds in 21 minutes.

[KnightSlappy]

Couple of Top 25 UAA upsets.

#15 Brandeis falls on the road to Carnegie Mellon 53-52.

#25 NYU loses at Case Western Reserve 80-76

[nwhoops1903]

#3 Whitworth turns it on in second half and cruises to victory over George Fox, 81-57.  Tomorrow at Willamette.

[wooscotsfan]

#7 Wabash gets a nice road win over Allegheny 80-58.  Wabash is now 14-1.

[magicman]

#5 Middlebury defeats Bates 78-65 and remains undefeated at 13-0

#6 Williams beats Tufts 71-52

#10 Amherst defeats Wesleyan  77-61 and they remain unbeaten at 14-0

[dahlby]

#24 Chapman over Santa Cruz on 1/13.

[nwhoops1903]

#3 Whitworth wins on the road over Willamette 84-70.  Lots of fouls called but Pirates prevail.

[DagarmanSpartan]

Unranked CWRU over NYU.

[magicman]

Couple of Top 25 UAA upsets.

#15 Brandeis falls on the road to Carnegie Mellon 53-52.

#25 NYU loses at Case Western Reserve 80-76

Almost Deja Vu. Couple more Top 25 UAA upsets.

#15 Brandeis falls on the road to Case Western Reserve 66-63

#25 NYU loses at Carnegie Mellon 76-70

[Ralph Turner]

Couple of Top 25 UAA upsets.

#15 Brandeis falls on the road to Carnegie Mellon 53-52.

#25 NYU loses at Case Western Reserve 80-76

Almost Deja Vu. Couple more Top 25 UAA upsets.

#15 Brandeis falls on the road to Case Western Reserve 66-63

#25 NYU loses at Carnegie Mellon 76-70

Serious question for my fellow posters...

This was the first trip out of the "northeast" for Brandeis and NYU.  When they hit the Great Lakes region, they were beaten by "average" teams from this well-respected part of the country.

Are "'Deis" and the Violets really deserving of Top 25 votes?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

After a few conversations with some people... I am certainly reconsidering where I have Brandeis. It would seem they may be a bit overrated... and NYU always has a cupcake start of a season that makes them look good until they hit conference action.

The problem is... from about 12 or 15 down... it's a crap shoot as to who deserves to be in there... unlike last year when it as 5-15 we couldn't figure out.

[dahlby]

Chapman falls to NAIA member Menlo on 1/15.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared--Complete

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	617	Wooster	16-0	def. Oberlin, 82-55; def. Denison, 72-64
#2	585	Virginia Wesleyan	16-0	def. Randolph, 53-50; def. Roanoke, 96-82
#3	550	Whitworth	15-0	def. George Fox, 81-57; def. Willamette, 84-70
#4	540	St. Thomas	13-0	def. Concordia-Moorhead, 69-61
#5	527	Middlebury	13-0	def. Tufts, 79-63; def. Bates, 78-65
#6	471	Williams	15-1	def. Bates, 68-50; def. Tufts, 71-52
#7	454	Wabash	14-1	def. Allegheny, 80-58
#8	443	Augustana	15-0	def. T#32 Wheaton (Ill.), 70-57; def. T#39 Carthage, 58-54
#9	434	UW-Stevens Point	13-3	def. Macalester, 82-51; LOST at UW-Platteville, 56-57; def. UW-Superior, 71-56
#10	400	Amherst	14-0	def. Connecticut College, 70-56; def. Wesleyan, 77-61
#11	375	Randolph-Macon	14-2	def. #14 Eastern Mennonite, 83-78; def. Emory and Henry, 75-48
#12	341	UW-River Falls	15-2	def. UW-La Crosse, 89-83; def. UW-Platteville, 56-53
#13	337	Brandeis	11-2	def. Bates, 53-50; LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 52-53; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 63-66
#14	311	Eastern Mennonite	12-3	LOST at #11 Randolph-Macon, 78-83; def. Guilford, 79-67
#15	288	St. Norbert	11-3	LOST at Ripon, 60-70; def. #41 Illinois College, 87-73; def. Knox, 68-59
#16	217	Western Connecticut	13-2	LOST to Keene State, 76-81; def. Mass-Boston, 87-72
#17	215	St. Mary's (Md.)	12-3	def. Mary Washington, 91-65; def. Frostburg State, 88-60
#18	212	Franklin and Marshall	11-4	LOST at McDaniel, 53-61; LOST at Muhlenberg, 67-71; def. Washington College, 84-71
#19	114	Illinois Wesleyan	12-3	def. Millikin, 75-56; def. Elmhurst, 75-55
#20	76	Ithaca	11-3	LOST at Utica, 81-85
#21	74	Hanover	12-2	def. Franklin, 82-56; def. T#36 Anderson, 57-54
#22	73	Ferrum	14-2	def. Greensboro, 69-61; LOST at Christopher Newport, 67-80
#23	71	WPI	13-3	def. T#32 MIT, 68-53; def. Coast Guard, 78-59
#24	70	Chapman	13-3	def. UC Santa Cruz, 69-62; LOST at Menlo, 52-54
#25	69	New York University	11-3	def. Hunter, 85-59; LOST at Case Western Reserve, 76-80; LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 70-76

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	61	Ramapo	14-3	def. Montclair State, 75-66; def. Rutgers-Newark, 80-74; def. Rutgers-Camden, 72-57
#27	53	Marietta	14-2	LOST to Capital, 74-82; def. #35 John Carroll, 101-90
#28	35	Becker	13-2	def. Elms, 81-71; def. Newbury, 82-58; def. Daniel Webster, 61-52
T#29	22	Mary Hardin-Baylor	12-3	def. Concordia (Texas), 107-100; def. Schreiner, 67-57; LOST at Texas Lutheran, 53-56
T#29	22	Washington and Lee	11-4	LOST to Roanoke, 59-73; def. Lynchburg, 80-73
#31	16	Plattsburgh State	8-5	def. Cortland State, 69-57; LOST at Oswego State, 65-72
T#32	12	MIT	11-5	LOST at #23 WPI, 53-68; def. Clark, 77-63
T#32	12	Wheaton (Ill.)	11-4	LOST at #8 Augustana, 57-70; def. North Park, 80-76
#34	6	Manhattanville	11-3	def. FDU-Florham, 61-44; LOST at Misericordia, 58-72
#35	5	John Carroll	10-5	def. Muskingum, 76-62; LOST at #27 Marietta, 90-101
T#36	4	Anderson	10-5	def. Rose-Hulman, 69-54; LOST at #21 Hanover, 54-57
T#36	4	Lewis and Clark	12-3	def. Pacific Lutheran, 77-66; def. Pacific, 73-54
T#36	4	Rhode Island College	9-5	LOST at Southern Maine, 88-95; LOST at Colby, 58-69; def. Plymouth State, 73-56
T#39	2	Carthage	9-6	def. Elmhurst, 73-63; LOST to #8 Augustana, 54-58
T#39	2	Centre	11-3	def. Hendrix, 68-56; def. Millsaps, 77-51
#41	1	Illinois College	10-3	def. Grinnell, 104-92; LOST to #15 St. Norbert, 73-87; def. Ripon, 97-94

[Pat Coleman]

Couple of Top 25 UAA upsets.

#15 Brandeis falls on the road to Carnegie Mellon 53-52.

#25 NYU loses at Case Western Reserve 80-76

Almost Deja Vu. Couple more Top 25 UAA upsets.

#15 Brandeis falls on the road to Case Western Reserve 66-63

#25 NYU loses at Carnegie Mellon 76-70

Serious question for my fellow posters...

This was the first trip out of the "northeast" for Brandeis and NYU.  When they hit the Great Lakes region, they were beaten by "average" teams from this well-respected part of the country.

Are "'Deis" and the Violets really deserving of Top 25 votes?

Yes and no. But then again, I haven't had NYU on my ballot.

Bad start for Brandeis on the road but I think Ralph understands what it's like to make a thousand mile trip on a weekend to play decent opponents. To suggest that Brandeis doesn't even deserve a vote is a little bit of hyperbole.