Top 25 talk

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

#21 Brandeis loses at home to Washington University by a lopsided score of 70 to 36.

We need to get some info on this game.  Vytas played only 19 minutes for Brandeis and scored only on FTs.  Did WashU just shut him down?  Did he get hurt?

[Hugenerd]

No, thats pretty much what vytus plays, he probably didn't play at the end of the game because it was a blowout. Last couple of games he played 24 and 22 minutes. He also hasn't played well, shouting 3-12, 1-7, and 0-7 in his last 3. I dont think him playing a bit more makes any difference. Brandeis trailed by double digits the entire second half, they just got out classed today.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	616	Wooster	18-0	def. Allegheny, 88-56; def. T#42 Wittenberg, 65-58
#2	586	Virginia Wesleyan	16-1	LOST at Guilford, 61-64
#3	555	Whitworth	17-0	def. Whitman, 104-71; def. Pacific, 94-48
#4	543	St. Thomas	15-1	LOST at Hamline, 79-92; def. Macalester, 75-63; def. St. John's, 62-59
#5	529	Middlebury	15-0	def. Wesleyan, 64-56; def. Connecticut College, 80-52
#6	482	Williams	17-1	def. Connecticut College, 91-52; def. Wesleyan, 82-63
#7	472	Wabash	15-2	LOST at T#42 Wittenberg, 54-55; def. Oberlin, 83-55
#8	463	Augustana	17-0	def. Millikin, 72-58; def. North Central (Ill.), 66-50
#9	435	Amherst	16-0	def. Curry, 101-45; def. Trinity (Conn.), 88-67
#10	411	Randolph-Macon	16-2	def. Lynchburg, 83-44; def. Hampden-Sydney, 70-68
#11	390	UW-River Falls	16-2	def. UW-Stout, 87-73
#12	344	UW-Stevens Point	15-3	def. UW-Eau Claire, 92-37; def. UW-Oshkosh, 74-70
#13	292	St. Mary's (Md.)	14-4	LOST at Wesley, 80-95; def. Salisbury, 81-74; def. Stevenson, 86-55
#14	275	Eastern Mennonite	13-4	def. Bridgewater (Va.), 85-65; LOST at Randolph, 61-64
#15	227	St. Norbert	13-3	def. Lake Forest, 60-46; def. T#40 Illinois College, 91-82
#16	222	Illinois Wesleyan	13-4	def. #29 Wheaton (Ill.), 82-72; LOST at North Park, 57-65
#17	214	Hanover	12-4	LOST at Rose-Hulman, 64-66; LOST at T#42 Manchester, 52-67
#18	171	WPI	15-3	def. Clark, 60-43; def. Springfield, 89-74
#19	169	Western Connecticut	15-2	def. Rhode Island College, 82-77; def. Southern Maine, 111-78
#20	141	Ramapo	15-4	def. New Jersey City, 77-76; LOST at Kean, 70-75
#21	137	Brandeis	12-3	def. Chicago, 59-53; LOST to Washington U., 36-70
#22	59	Ithaca	13-4	def. Elmira, 101-67; def. Stevens, 73-68; LOST to Hartwick, 96-100
#23	55	Ferrum	16-2	def. Shenandoah, 83-46; def. T#36 North Carolina Wesleyan, 90-84
#24	48	Centre	13-3	def. Southwestern, 72-54; def. Trinity (Texas), 73-61
#25	42	Chapman	16-3	def. LeTourneau, 76-61; def. UC Santa Cruz, 63-52; def. University of Dallas, 66-51

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	38	Becker	14-2	def. Lesley, 86-69
#27	37	Franklin and Marshall	13-4	def. Dickinson, 69-68; def. McDaniel, 71-40
#28	34	Marietta	15-2	def. Baldwin-Wallace, 67-63
#29	22	Wheaton (Ill.)	12-5	LOST at #16 Illinois Wesleyan, 72-82; def. Elmhurst, 68-67
#30	21	Lewis and Clark	14-3	def. Willamette, 99-77; def. Puget Sound, 73-64
#31	12	Bowdoin	11-4	01/18 vs. Babson (canceled); LOST to Tufts, 55-64; LOST to Bates, 71-75
#32	9	Mary Hardin-Baylor	14-3	def. Hardin-Simmons, 88-76; def. McMurry, 66-64
#33	8	Concordia (Wis.)	15-2	def. Lakeland, 95-84; def. Edgewood, 81-66; def. Rockford, 96-84
T#34	7	Anderson	12-5	def. T#42 Manchester, 59-57; def. Mount St. Joseph, 81-58
T#34	7	Capital	12-5	def. Denison, 81-58; LOST at John Carroll, 77-82
T#36	4	North Carolina Wesleyan	13-6	def. Methodist, 73-69; def. Averett, 75-58; LOST at #23 Ferrum, 84-90
T#36	4	Penn State-Behrend	14-2	LOST to Medaille, 53-60; def. Penn State-Altoona, 78-55
T#38	3	MIT	13-5	def. Springfield, 60-50; def. Wheaton (Mass.), 79-61
T#38	3	UW-Whitewater	12-5	def. UW-Platteville, 65-62
T#40	2	Emory	13-3	def. Case Western Reserve, 97-75; def. Carnegie Mellon, 88-71
T#40	2	Illinois College	10-5	LOST at Carroll, 78-81; LOST at #15 St. Norbert, 82-91
T#42	1	Manchester	11-6	LOST at T#34 Anderson, 57-59; def. #17 Hanover, 67-52
T#42	1	New York University	12-4	LOST to Washington U., 76-80; def. Chicago, 62-47
T#42	1	Wittenberg	12-5	def. #7 Wabash, 55-54; LOST at #1 Wooster, 58-65

[ScotsFan]

Does Witt lose any of the tiny bit of love they were getting in last week's poll?  Even with their loss to Wooster, I would still argue they had a pretty good week and seem more deserving of picking up more than the one vote they received in last week's poll.

I mean, they beat then #7 Wabash at home and then they proceeded to make the trek up to Wooster and had an 11 point lead on the #1 team in the country with 10 minutes to go before seeing Wooster make their comeback. 

I can't believe I'm actually saying something nice about Witt.  I'd better go and check my temperature... 

[nwhoops1903]

Does Witt lose any of the tiny bit of love they were getting in last week's poll?  Even with their loss to Wooster, I would still argue they had a pretty good week and seem more deserving of picking up more than the one vote they received in last week's poll.

I mean, they beat then #7 Wabash at home and then they proceeded to make the trek up to Wooster and had an 11 point lead on the #1 team in the country with 10 minutes to go before seeing Wooster make their comeback. 

I can't believe I'm actually saying something nice about Witt.  I'd better go and check my temperature... 

I think they will maintain at least their previous massive total.  Anyone that watched that game knows they are at least 85% as good as Wooster and +/- 2% than Wabash (at home). 

[Pat Coleman]

They might lose the love of that one voter but I can assure you they will get more votes from me alone than they got from the 25 total last week.

[WcsuAlum]

Western Connecticut making a top 10 debut this week? Playing excellent basketball and have proven to be one of the quickest, if not the quickest D3 team in the nation.

[Pat Coleman]

We're three ballots away from a full set but Western Connecticut will not be in the top 10.

Quickness is nice but it's only one part of a team's success, obviously.

[Mr. Ypsi]

We're three ballots away from a full set but Western Connecticut will not be in the top 10.

Quickness is nice but it's only one part of a team's success, obviously.

Based on what I'm getting in the PP, I'll bet it is the same top 12, just re-arranged.

[mass_d3fan]

Western Connecticut making a top 10 debut this week? Playing excellent basketball and have proven to be one of the quickest, if not the quickest D3 team in the nation.

Hmmm, quite unrealistic to think you going to go from 169 pts to over 400 with wins over RIC & So. Maine and your only a week from losing to Keene St.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Western Connecticut making a top 10 debut this week? Playing excellent basketball and have proven to be one of the quickest, if not the quickest D3 team in the nation.

Wabash (the lowest ranked top 12 team to lose) would have to drop 150 points just to get to #13.  I think that top 12 is pretty set for the time being - especially when #13, #14, #16, and #17 all lost this week.

[smedindy]

I don't think anyone wants to be ranked outside the top 12.

[WcsuAlum]

Sorry about the error, meant to say Top 15.

[nwhoops1903]

New poll out:

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2010-11/week8

[deiscanton]

Last week, just after Brandeis had lost at Carnegie Mellon and Case, but before Brandeis split vs Chicago and Wash U, Gordon Mann wrote the following:

I think Brandeis will cling to a Top 25 spot but, if not, does anyone know if there has ever been a D3hoops poll without a representative from the UAA?

Gordon, (or anyone else) could you check the D3Hoops.com Top 25 polls for the 2005-2006 season?  I just checked the UAA Men's Basketball records for that year, and in that season,  Carnegie Mellon won the UAA Men's Basketball title with a 10-4 mark in the UAA and a 20-6 mark overall.   All of the other UAA teams had between 7 and 14 losses for each team in their overall record.  There may have been some weeks there where no UAA team cracked the Top 25-- although some UAA teams had received votes in those weeks.

When D3Hoops.com updated the site, the archived polls from previous years seem to have vanished and not been put back on the site.

BTW, no UAA team in the Top 25 this week (because of Brandeis's blowout loss against Wash U)-- but 3 UAA teams still receiving votes.