Top 25 talk

[ScotsFan]

Whitworth has earned their wins (only one of which was by less than 10 points).  We saw the talent they threw out last year and transferred in a couple really strong players for this season.

All that together leads me to believe they're #1 right now.  I've got Williams and Wooster right on their tails.  I hope to see all three in Salem.

Well said Hoops Fan.  The one thing we can all count on is that all of these teams get to prove how good they are on the court in the end.  We can throw the Massey Ratings out the window as they won't really mean a thing once tournament time is here!  

[John Gleich]

I've emailed Massey in the past and let him know when I've seen things... he's changed those games with the following run, to make everything more accurate.  Maybe we should come up with a list of things that aren't as they should be (For example, CSU East Bay is listed as D-III, but they're listed as D-II on their own site, play in a D-II conference, etc.  That won't affect things much 'cause they don't play any D-III games, but it might affect D-II). 

... Not sure if anyone has emailed Massey yet (probably not...) but so as to not have a barrage of emails all about the same thing, we should just list the games/teams we know are wrong so the numbers, on the whole, can be better.

[Pat Coleman]

Going to go off the cuff here, these are not official.

Suspect in women's the furthest east is Bowdoin, furthest south is Trinity, furthest west is George Fox. I believe George Fox is also the furthest north.

Whitworth definitely has GF beat on the North category. WA still above OR when I woke up today.    Spokane is 80-100 miles south of the border.  Any real north Minn schools would be "taller".  But I think Pat is talking women.

That's why I said in women's.

[KnightSlappy]

Exactly. But in this case the rating of, say, George Fox, is broght down by losing an exhibition game to a D2. So, since George Fox is looks 'artificially' worse than they might otherwise be (if the game was not counted by Massey), Whitworth's SOS is also 'artificially' worse.

George Fox's SOS is boosted by the game, but their overall rating is lower than if it wasn't counted. Whitworth's SOS is based off George Fox's rating, not SOS.

I'm nearly 100% sure that's not the case, look at all the programs who are rated as having played the toughest schedule's....1-24 all the way down to Whitworth have something in common, SOS tied to either their own or an opponents games vs teams in D1 or D2 (some of those exhibitions counted in massey's ratings)

I don't think this is a miraculous coincidence.

There's also teams like Colorado College, that played an actual game vs. a D1, that have an SOS in the #93 range. Looks like a few SCAC schools have 'exhibition' games counting against D1s according to Massey. They all have poor SOS's.

[Pat Coleman]

Whitworth (Spokane) – 47.75
Puget Sound (Tacoma) – 47.26
Pacific Lutheran (Tacoma) – 47.15
Finlandia (Hancock, Mich.) – 47.13 N
St. Scholastica (Duluth) – 46.82
UW-Superior – 46.72

From a blog post several years back.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

We just have to wait for one of those Alaska schools to jump into D3! LOL

[David Collinge]

Concordia-Moorhead is at about 46*50', should also be a bit north of UMPI depending on the exact location of the schools.

[Greek Tragedy]

I would've guessed Superior would be furthest north since I always considered them located in Canada.  Of course I also posted that Puget Sound was in Oregon!

[Mr. Ypsi]

I would've guessed Superior would be furthest north since I always considered them located in Canada.  Of course I also posted that Puget Sound was in Oregon!

Ah, but Canada does not necessarily mean north!   You go straight SOUTH from Detroit to get to Windsor, for example!

I'm thinking of starting a d3 school in Barrow, Alaska - let's see someone beat that!  (Of course, I would need Bill Gates to cover the travel budget. )

[GuyFormerlyPSBBG]

I would've guessed Superior would be furthest north since I always considered them located in Canada.  Of course I also posted that Puget Sound was in Oregon!

Ah, but Canada does not necessarily mean north!   You go straight SOUTH from Detroit to get to Windsor, for example!

I'm thinking of starting a d3 school in Barrow, Alaska - let's see someone beat that!  (Of course, I would need Bill Gates to cover the travel budget. )

I know we've been talking about Northern most school.  I live in FL now, no d3 schools   Start your school down here.  Bill Gates may be more willing to pay for FL travel than AK travel.


I can see it now a new TV series "Ice Road Bus Drivers" ----taking the only d3 school on the road.

[Gregory Sager]

I would've guessed Superior would be furthest north since I always considered them located in Canada.  Of course I also posted that Puget Sound was in Oregon!

Ah, but Canada does not necessarily mean north!  You go straight SOUTH from Detroit to get to Windsor, for example!

I'm thinking of starting a d3 school in Barrow, Alaska - let's see someone beat that!  (Of course, I would need Bill Gates to cover the travel budget. )

I know we've been talking about Northern most school.  I live in FL now, no d3 schools  Start your school down here.  Bill Gates may be more willing to pay for FL travel than AK travel.


I can see it now a new TV series "Ice Road Bus Drivers" ----taking the only d3 school on the road.

Palm Beach Atlantic tried to give it a go as a D3 probie, but it couldn't make it all the way through the four-year probationary period before giving up. It went D2 instead. Can't say as I blame PBAU; it's gotta be hard to join this division when the nearest D3 school is a nine-hour busride away.

[Titan Q]

Live video of #5 Augustana @ Wheaton...

http://www.wheaton.edu/wetn/


For anyone interested.

[Mr. Ypsi]

VaWes downs Randy Mac, 53-50.  Neither team ever led by more than 6.  Some game!

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared--Midweek Report

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	616	Whitworth	21-0	02/11 vs. Willamette; 02/12 vs. George Fox
#2	573	Williams	21-1	02/11 vs. Trinity (Conn.); 02/12 vs. #3 Amherst
#3	556	Amherst	21-0	def. Brandeis, 79-65; 02/11 at #7 Middlebury; 02/12 at #2 Williams
#4	552	Wooster	21-1	def. Oberlin, 79-62; 02/12 at #25 Wittenberg
#5	522	Augustana	21-1	def. Wheaton (Ill.), 80-77; 02/12 at Millikin
#6	503	Virginia Wesleyan	20-1	def. #11 Randolph-Macon, 53-50; 02/12 at Hampden-Sydney
#7	491	Middlebury	18-1	02/11 vs. #3 Amherst; 02/12 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#8	432	UW-Stevens Point	19-3	def. UW-Eau Claire, 83-70; 02/12 vs. #10 UW-River Falls
#9	409	St. Thomas	18-3	LOST at Carleton, 61-67; 02/12 at Gustavus Adolphus
#10	391	UW-River Falls	19-3	02/12 at #8 UW-Stevens Point
#11	380	Randolph-Macon	19-4	LOST at #6 Virginia Wesleyan, 50-53; 02/12 at Roanoke
#12	350	WPI	19-3	def. Coast Guard, 60-47; 02/12 at Babson
#13	339	Wabash	17-4	02/12 vs. Hiram
#14	290	Western Connecticut	19-3	LOST to Rhode Island College, 75-86; 02/12 at Keene State
#15	258	St. Mary's (Md.)	18-5	LOST at Salisbury, 58-61; 02/12 vs. T#36 Wesley
#16	223	Eastern Mennonite	17-4	def. Bridgewater (Va.), 81-64; 02/12 vs. Emory and Henry
#17	209	St. Norbert	16-5	LOST to Beloit, 52-57; 02/12 at Carroll
#18	181	Marietta	20-2	def. Mount Union, 81-66; 02/12 vs. Heidelberg
#19	178	Ferrum	19-3	LOST to Hampden-Sydney, 83-87; 02/12 vs. Shenandoah; 02/13 vs. Christopher Newport
#20	138	Chapman	19-3	def. Southwestern (AZ), 85-69
#21	129	Franklin and Marshall	18-4	def. Gettysburg, 68-46; 02/12 at Swarthmore
#22	105	Ramapo	18-4	def. Rutgers-Newark, 70-62; 02/12 at New Jersey City
#23	68	Illinois Wesleyan	16-5	def. Millikin, 78-53; 02/12 at Wheaton (Ill.)
#24	49	Centre	15-4	02/11 vs. Sewanee; 02/13 vs. Oglethorpe
#25	44	Wittenberg	16-5	def. Ohio Wesleyan, 76-70; 02/12 vs. #4 Wooster

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	41	Rochester	16-4	02/11 vs. Chicago; 02/13 vs. Washington U.
T#27	16	Concordia (Wis.)	19-3	def. Marian, 69-64; def. Lakeland, 79-75; 02/12 vs. Maranatha Baptist
T#27	16	Emory	16-4	02/11 vs. Washington U.; 02/13 vs. Chicago
T#29	13	Becker	18-3	def. Elms, 81-74; 02/10 at Lesley; 02/12 vs. Southern Vermont
T#29	13	Manchester	16-6	def. Bluffton, 81-67; 02/12 at Franklin
#31	12	Mary Hardin-Baylor	17-4	02/10 at Hardin-Simmons; 02/12 at McMurry
#32	8	Penn State-Behrend	19-3	LOST at La Roche, 61-67; def. Pitt-Bradford, 82-71; 02/12 vs. Franciscan (Ohio)
#33	7	Hope	17-5	def. Olivet, 65-60; 02/12 at Adrian
#34	6	Lewis and Clark	15-6	02/11 vs. Pacific; 02/12 vs. Pacific Lutheran
#35	4	Oswego State	17-3	def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 63-62; 02/11 at Plattsburgh State; 02/12 at Potsdam State
T#36	1	Hanover	16-5	def. Franklin, 85-72; 02/12 vs. Earlham
T#36	1	North Carolina Wesleyan	16-6	def. Greensboro, 73-70; 02/12 vs. Methodist
T#36	1	Wesley	16-6	def. Marymount, 64-63; 02/12 at #15 St. Mary's (Md.)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Top 25 decimation last night - well that's underselling it a bit.  Is there such thing as a quadrimation?