Top 25 talk

[Ralph Turner]

Then I guess it could be two #1's not ranked.


...or how about #1 in your region with 4 teams from your region behind you ranked.

We have the problem in the South Region in football all of the time.

Now Wesley has been a legitimate non-ASC #1 seed, but before Wesley, all of those South Region teams from the more "northern" South Region conferences with great OWP/OOWP's would get the higher seeds, and the UMHB-HSU winner would go deeper into the playoffs.

[Pat Coleman]

Then I guess it could be two #1's not ranked.


...or how about #1 in your region with 4 teams from your region behind you ranked.

La Roche isn't ranked either.

But then again, I doubt our voters give 1.4 credit for winning road games.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Actually Pat, I like to give them a 2.5 point bump for road games... just to make it really interesting!

Of course... that would be sad if I was doing all of that math just for my Top 25... I have enough factors and numbers to crunch!

[nescac1]

For those who don't check in on the NESCAC board, fyi, potential key injury for Middlebury, their 6'11 center Andrew Locke, who is the top defensive player in the conference, went down with a knee injury.  No word yet on the severity but it didn't sound great.  If he is out for the year it would be a huge blow for the Panthers. 

[magicman]

Then I guess it could be two #1's not ranked.

sac.
There is presently three #1 regionally ranked teams that are not ranked.
Ramapo in the Atlantic
Oswego in the East
LaRoche in the Middle Atlantic

I believe they will maintain those ranking when the new rankings come out tomorrow

[sac]

Then I guess it could be two #1's not ranked.

sac.
There is presently three #1 regionally ranked teams that are not ranked.
Ramapo in the Atlantic
Oswego in the East
LaRoche in the Middle Atlantic

I believe they will maintain those ranking when the new rankings come out tomorrow

Then  there is the possiblity of 4 if Hope overtakes Wooster in the Great Lakes............maybe, maybe not.

I just thought it was odd.  Of the four, Hope has the highest rated schedule by massey by far.

Hope #49
Oswego #259
LaRoche #370
Ramapo #153

[sac]

Some efficiency ratings for teams receiving votes in the last top 25 poll.


OFFENSE
1. Whitworth          126.5
2. Ithaca                 122.1
3. Amherst              121.6
3. Williams              118.9
4. Wooster             118.2
5. Rochester           117.4
6. UWSP                  116.1
7. Emory                 114.8
8. Hope                   112.7
8. St. Thomas         112.7
10.  PSU-Behrend   112.0


DEFENSE
1.  New Jersey City    81.5
2. Middlebury             81.7
3. Randolph-Macon    82.2
4. WPI                       83.3
5. UWSP                    85.6
6. Becker                   87.7
7. Frank & Marsh       87.8
7. Williams                 87.8
9. East. Menn.           88.0
10. Randolph            88.1
10. Centre                88.1


Combined rating~Off+(200-def)
1.  Whitworth             234.48
2.  Williams                 231.09
3.  UWSP                    230.48
4.  Amherst                229.09
5.  Randolph-Macon   227.75
6.  Middlebury            225.05
7.  Wooster               224.88
8.  Frank & Marsh      221.70
9.  WPI                      221.30
10. East. Menn.         220.18

[nwhoops1903]

I suspect there are only 3 1st place votes in play unless Wooster loses, then 4.  Hard to see WW losing ground...

As it turns out 4 the votes split between Whitworth and Williams evenly.  

If you are up late..Whitworth playing right now.
http://www.ksbn.net/listen.pls
stats: http://www.whitman.edu/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm

[nwhoops1903]

Whitworth loses!  Whitman holds Pirates scoreless last 4+ minutes and scores something like the last 15 points in the game?

 

Well at least it isn't March.

[John Gleich]

Whitworth loses!  Whitman holds Pirates scoreless last 4+ minutes and scores something like the last 15 points in the game?

 

Well at least it isn't March.

Crazy... with like 13 minutes left, Whitworth was up like 18 so I turned it off... guess I missed an exciting ending!

[KnightSlappy]

Whitworth loses!  Whitman holds Pirates scoreless last 4+ minutes and scores something like the last 15 points in the game?

 

Well at least it isn't March.

Digger Phelps would say that it's a good thing. He somehow believes that it's good to lose before the tournament because "the #1 team has a really low chance of winning the championship."

I can't believe he gets paid for that crap.

[ziggy]

Whitworth loses!  Whitman holds Pirates scoreless last 4+ minutes and scores something like the last 15 points in the game?

 

Well at least it isn't March.

Digger Phelps would say that it's a good thing. He somehow believes that it's good to lose before the tournament because "the #1 team has a really low chance of winning the championship."

I can't believe he gets paid for that crap.

He just says whatever the highlighter tells him to say, it's not his fault.

[Just Bill]

Digger Phelps would say that it's a good thing. He somehow believes that it's good to lose before the tournament because "the #1 team has a really low chance of winning the championship."

I can't believe he gets paid for that crap.

He just says whatever the highlighter tells him to say, it's not his fault.

"Good night, San Diego. Go **** yourself."

[John Gleich]

Whitworth loses!  Whitman holds Pirates scoreless last 4+ minutes and scores something like the last 15 points in the game?

 

Well at least it isn't March.

Digger Phelps would say that it's a good thing. He somehow believes that it's good to lose before the tournament because "the #1 team has a really low chance of winning the championship."

I can't believe he gets paid for that crap.

...I think that depends on your definition of "low chance."  I doubt that Digger has done a statistical analysis of the chances of the #1 team versus anybody else in the tournament (specifically the D-I tournament... because that's what he's talking about).

FWIW, Ken Pomeroy has done a post on his blog about the outcome of the preseason poll compared to the poll heading into the tournament.  The AP Preseason poll has actually been better at "picking" the #1 team:  LINK

In 21 years, nearly half the teams (10/21) slotted as the #1 in the preseason poll have made it to the championship, with 6 of them winning.  The final regular season poll has 6/21, with 3 of them winning.

There wasn't any analysis of other positions in either poll... to see if a any one poll position had performed better than the #1 going into the tournament. 

Not extraordinarily enlightening... previous results have absolutely nothing to do with future results in terms of a predictor... but interesting none the less.

[sac]

If I'm not mistaken the #1 overall seed has only won the D1 Championship once since 1996.....or something like that.