Top 25 talk

[Pat Coleman]

That is exactly what I am talking about, RIC is not an "up and coming team". They have made the NCAA Tournament the last five years, how many other teams in the country have done that? During that time they have made the Sweet 16 three times, how many teams in the nation have done that?
But the impression is still out there that RIC is far from elite.
Dave, on your shows around the Tournament every year you always pick against RIC. You at least always have them going out before they do, and so does Pat.

I am just saying any other team with the recent history of RIC, and a 7-0 record would be top 25.

I picked RIC as my surprise in their bracket last year, which is a prediction of them advancing to the Sweet 16:
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2011/tournament-preview

[Billy Baller]

Whoever decided to put William Paterson at #22 : smart move.  Read my post regarding their squad in the Atlantic/NJAC section here: they are a force to be reckoned with right now.

[wooscotsfan]

Final: Wittenberg 56  #5 Wooster 55

Wittenberg gets a key road win in a big rivalry game.  Wooster committed 19 turnovers (vs. only 10 for Wittenberg) which was the deciding factor in the game as neither team shot the ball well.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far) -- Men games:

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	612	Middlebury	6-0	def. Johnson and Wales, 90-46; 12/09 at Skidmore
#2	599	Amherst	7-0	def. Emmanuel, 100-76; 12/08 at Babson; 12/10 at Brandeis
#3	506	Virginia Wesleyan	6-1	def. Methodist, 94-62
#4	504	Augustana	6-1	def. Fontbonne, 72-50; 12/10 vs. #21 UW-Stevens Point
#5	498	Wooster	5-1	LOST to #27 Wittenberg, 55-56; 12/10 at #25 Wabash
#6	495	Whitworth	6-0	12/10 vs. Montana Tech
#7	452	MIT	9-0	def. Mass-Boston, 90-47; 12/08 vs. T#48 Salem State; 12/10 at T#48 Tufts
#8	428	Williams	7-1	def. Keene State, 103-74; 12/10 vs. Springfield
#9	414	Emory	8-0	def. Oglethorpe, 60-54
#10	401	Marietta	5-1	def. Muskingum, 87-77; 12/10 at Otterbein
#11	335	Franklin and Marshall	8-0	def. Gettysburg, 61-47; 12/10 at Haverford
#12	329	Cabrini	6-0	def. Gwynedd-Mercy, 101-91; 12/10 vs. Baptist Bible
#13	269	Mary Hardin-Baylor	5-0	12/10 at Concordia (Texas)
#14	241	Buffalo State	5-0	12/09 vs. Cortland State; 12/10 vs. #31 Oswego State
#15	230	WPI	7-0	def. Colby-Sawyer, 76-56; 12/08 at #26 Rhode Island College; 12/10 vs. Fitchburg State
#16	186	St. Thomas	7-1	def. Hamline, 94-77; def. Macalester, 86-64
#17	185	Wheaton (Ill.)	6-1	12/08 at Westminster (Mo.); 12/10 at #32 Washington U.
#18	167	Birmingham-Southern	6-0	12/10 vs. Point
#19	162	UW-Whitewater	7-0	def. UW-La Crosse, 60-45; 12/10 at UW-Eau Claire
#20	160	Puget Sound	8-0	def. Evergreen St., 69-59
#21	117	UW-Stevens Point	6-1	def. UW-Oshkosh, 66-52; 12/10 at #4 Augustana
#22	113	William Paterson	8-0	def. Hunter, 71-53; 12/10 vs. Manhattanville
#23	106	Hope	6-1	12/09 vs. Marian (Ind.); 12/10 vs. Mt. Vernon Naz.
#24	103	Rochester	7-2	def. #53 Hamilton, 83-58; 12/10 at #30 Hobart
#25	77	Wabash	7-0	def. Millikin, 58-43; 12/10 vs. #5 Wooster

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	65	Rhode Island College	8-0	def. Salve Regina, 69-55; 12/08 vs. #15 WPI; 12/10 at Eastern Connecticut
#27	59	Wittenberg	3-2	def. #5 Wooster, 56-55; 12/10 at Allegheny
#28	42	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	8-0	def. San Diego Christian, 71-69; def. Chapman, 57-45; 12/10 vs. Pt. Loma Nazarene
#29	35	Edgewood	8-0	def. Lakeland, 86-68; 12/10 vs. Benedictine
#30	34	Hobart	6-0	12/10 vs. #24 Rochester
#31	29	Oswego State	6-1	def. Brockport State, 80-65; 12/09 at Fredonia State; 12/10 at #14 Buffalo State
#32	21	Washington U.	6-2	def. Webster, 74-50; 12/10 vs. #17 Wheaton (Ill.)
#33	17	UW-River Falls	5-2	12/10 at UW-Oshkosh
#34	14	Transylvania	5-0	def. Earlham, 81-57; 12/10 at Manchester
#35	13	St. Mary's (Md.)	6-2	def. York (Pa.), 71-69; 12/10 at Hood
#36	12	Grinnell	7-0	def. Knox, 85-68; 12/10 vs. Carroll
T#37	11	Baldwin-Wallace	5-1	def. Heidelberg, 90-69; 12/10 at Wilmington
T#37	11	Western Connecticut	7-1	def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 65-43; 12/08 at Framingham State; 12/10 vs. Southern Maine
#39	10	New Jersey City	6-0	def. York (N.Y.), 76-70; 12/07 at Lehman (moved to 12/14); 12/09 vs. Ithaca
#40	9	Texas-Dallas	6-1	IDLE
T#41	7	Bethany	7-0	def. Carnegie Mellon, 88-75; 12/10 vs. Thomas More
T#41	7	Salisbury	5-3	LOST at Marymount, 57-64; 12/10 vs. Stevenson
T#43	6	Ramapo	6-2	12/09 at Medgar Evers
T#43	6	UW-Superior	6-4	def. UW-Stout, 64-51; 12/10 at UW-La Crosse
T#45	5	Hardin-Simmons	5-0	12/08 vs. Centenary (La.); 12/10 vs. East Texas Baptist
T#45	5	Mary Washington	6-2	LOST at Apprentice School, 74-76; 12/09 at Marymount
#47	4	Hartwick	7-0	12/08 vs. Oneonta State; 12/09 vs. Elms
T#48	3	Ohio Wesleyan	7-1	def. Kenyon, 96-65; 12/10 at DePauw
T#48	3	Randolph-Macon	6-2	def. Lynchburg, 90-87; 12/10 at Guilford
T#48	3	Rose-Hulman	6-1	def. Manchester, 59-29; 12/10 vs. Bluffton
T#48	3	Salem State	6-2	12/08 at #7 MIT
T#48	3	Tufts	6-2	LOST to Plymouth State, 73-79; 12/10 vs. #7 MIT
#53	2	Hamilton	8-1	LOST at #24 Rochester, 58-83; 12/10 vs. Vassar

[Hugenerd]

#7 MIT handled ORV Salem State pretty easily tonight, starting out the game on an 18-5 run and never really looked back. The lead slipped to single figures only briefly after that, as MIT had a double-digit lead the final 28 minutes of the contest, which grew to as many as 28 in the second half. A late run for Salem State to end the game accounted for the the final score of 78-66.

Two nights after hitting 9 three pointers for MIT, Jamie Karraker hit 7 more to pace the Engineers with 28 points (upping his season total to 47 trifectas). 1st team Preseason AA Noel Hollingsworth added 20 points, 6 boards, and 5 blocks, while All-Region big man Will Tashman had a double-double (10 and 10), to go along with 6 assists.  The New England Region Newcomer of the Year from 2 seasons ago, point guard Mitch Kates, dished out 8 assists, to go with his 14 points and 6 boards.

MIT, now 10-0, travels to play another ORV team, Tufts, this Saturday at 2 pm.

[Greek Tragedy]

Wow, some big games today.

Point at Augustana
Wooster at Wabash
Wheaton at Wash. U.


Just to name a few.

[Hugenerd]

Despite not playing well, MIT was able to edge an ORV Tufts team on the road this afternoon, 60-56, to improve to 11-0.  MIT is nearly at the end of a brutal 12 game in 29 day stretch, today being the 11th game in 25 days.  Point guard Mitchell Kates was key for the Engineers, scoring the games final 4 points in a 21 second span after the score was tied 56 all.  While most of his teammates were off, center Noel Hollingsworth put the team on his back for much of the game, scoring 26 points (10-15 FG) and grabbing 11 board's.

[Wabash2011]

Wabash over Wooster 72-58

[John Gleich]

#19 UW Whitewater spotted Eau Claire a 22-11 lead about 10 minutes into the half and the game was tied at halftime at 33 but hangs on and wins 68-59 to remain undefeated on the season.

[magicman]

Oswego State ranked at #18 in the preseason poll and currently holding down the #31 spot has quietly run off 8 wins in a row after an opening season upset. Today they defeated conference rival #14 Buffalo State in Buffalo by a score of 85-71. The Lakers opened the season with a new coach and after an initial period of adjustment seem to be firing on all cylinders. Preseason All American candidate 6'7" Senior Chad Burridge scored 40 pts on Tuesday, 19 pts on Friday and another 19 pts today. His 3 game totals for the week were 78 points, 28 rebounds and 15 blocks. Could a SUNYAC player make the team of the week for the 3rd week in a row? Probably too much to ask. 

[nwhoops1903]

Whitworth loses at HOME (streak snapped at 40) to Montana Tech (NAIA) by 10, 83-73.  Had a 2nd half lead and went cold for 5 minutes. A 14-0 run put the Pirates down 9 with 6 minutes to play.  Had it within 4 under a minute but MT hit free throws. 

[stag44]

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps just finished a 4 game in 7 nights stretch at 4-0 defeating 3 NAIA D-1 schools from the always strong GSAC conference and defeating Chapman as well.

I think we should see them make at top 25 appearance at 9-0. Great wins and now they can focus on finals!

[Titan Q]

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps just finished a 4 game in 7 nights stretch at 4-0 defeating 3 NAIA D-1 schools from the always strong GSAC conference and defeating Chapman as well.

I think we should see them make at top 25 appearance at 9-0. Great wins and now they can focus on finals!

That is really impressive.  The GSAC is a great NAIA I league.

[Titan Q]

I think Ohio Wesleyan and Wash U need to jump in...

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Ohio_Wesleyan/men/2011-12/index

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Washington_U./men/2011-12/index


And I think Hope needs to be way higher - I think there is a good chance Hope is a Top 10 team.

[sac]

I think Ohio Wesleyan and Wash U need to jump in...

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Ohio_Wesleyan/men/2011-12/index

http://www.d3hoops.com/teams/Washington_U./men/2011-12/index


And I think Hope needs to be way higher - I think there is a good chance Hope is a Top 10 team.

Hope's next game is Dec 29 against Marietta with Trevor Halter back in the lineup for the Pioneers, so we'll find out then.