Top 25 talk

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks Darryl. +1!

[Greek Tragedy]

Great work, DN!

[magicman]

#3 MIT defeats WPI 71-66 to avenge their only loss this year.

[wooscotsfan]

Final: #22 Wooster 91  Allegheny 61      Wooster is now 20-4 on the season.

Congratulations to Wooster on another 20 win season - now 16 consecutive seasons with 20 or more wins!

...and Wooster has been to the NCAA Final Four three times in the last 9 years!  It is great to be a Wooster Fan.

Special Thanks to Wooster Coaches Steve Moore and Doug Cline for their leadership of this top program!

[John Gleich]

Two ranked WIAC teams lose tonight...

#12 UW Stevens Point loses at home to UW Stout  67-64

#19 UW River Falls loses at UW La Crosse  74-66

#9 UW Whitewater does manage to win tonight... and there's a 3 way tie in the WIAC for the final game... and Whitewater and RF play on Saturday

[sac]

Two ranked WIAC teams lose tonight...

#12 UW Stevens Point loses at home to UW Stout  67-64

#19 UW River Falls loses at UW La Crosse  74-66

#9 UW Whitewater does manage to win tonight... and there's a 3 way tie in the WIAC for the final game... and Whitewater and RF play on Saturday

Point what are your thoughts on the possibility of someone other than SP/RF/WW winning the WIAC auto-bid?

[John Gleich]

Two ranked WIAC teams lose tonight...

#12 UW Stevens Point loses at home to UW Stout  67-64

#19 UW River Falls loses at UW La Crosse  74-66

#9 UW Whitewater does manage to win tonight... and there's a 3 way tie in the WIAC for the final game... and Whitewater and RF play on Saturday

Point what are your thoughts on the possibility of someone other than SP/RF/WW winning the WIAC auto-bid?

I'd say very slim... in part because SP, RF, and WW are such different teams.  SP is guard-heavy but doesn't match up well to big guys, RF has a great front line but not as good guard play.  WW is the most balanced of the top 3... but what it takes to beat one won't help you beat another.  Then again, Superior did beat both RF and WW... though not in back to back games on their opponents home court.

It could always happen... but in addition to the above, I would be very surprised due to the format of the WIAC tourney.

3 years ago, the WIAC went from an 8 team tournament to a 6 team tournament, with the top two seeds getting a bye in the first round and then hosting in the second (reseeded so the top seed plays the lowest remaining seed).  So, not only do the three non-SP/WW/RF teams have an uphill battle, which ever of those three end up at #3 will have that same uphill battle.  They will have to play a game and then travel to a rested opponent... then travel AGAIN, more than likely to play another opponent who has only played one game during the week.


The WIAC tournament has had some historically interesting results.

In the 13 seasons of the WIAC tournament, the #1 seed is 26-5, winning 8 of the titles.  The #2 seed is 20-10, winning 3 titles.  The #3 seed is surprisingly 8-13, never winning the title and only making it to the title game twice.  The #4 seed has won the remaining 2 titles and appeared in 4 title games... though not since 2005.

The 1 and 2 seed have met in the title game each of the last three years... and the tournament is set now up in such a way that it sort of encourages this.

In fact, the 3 seed has taken a thrashing... the 6 seed is 7-6 on the 3 seeds home court in the first round.



So, there ya go... more stuff than you ever wanted to know about the WIAC tournament!

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	623	Hope	23-1	won at Olivet, 75-60; 02/18 vs. Trine
#2	579	Amherst	22-2	02/18 vs. Hamilton
#3	551	MIT	23-1	won at T#38 WPI, 71-66
#4	527	Middlebury	22-2	02/18 vs. #35 Williams
#5	512	Mary Hardin-Baylor	22-1	02/16 vs. Schreiner; 02/18 at Texas Lutheran
#6	494	Cabrini	24-1	won at Keystone, 96-85
#7	462	Virginia Wesleyan	20-3	won at Lynchburg, 73-62; 02/18 vs. Emory and Henry; 02/19 vs. Washington and Lee
#8	446	Birmingham-Southern	23-1	won at Berry, 69-58; 02/18 vs. Oglethorpe
#9	429	UW-Whitewater	21-3	def. UW-Oshkosh, 76-64; 02/18 at #19 UW-River Falls
#10	419	Whitworth	21-3	won at Whitman, 81-74; 02/18 vs. Willamette
#11	385	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	22-1	won at Cal Lutheran, 57-46; 02/18 at Occidental
#12	342	UW-Stevens Point	19-5	LOST to UW-Stout, 64-67; 02/18 at UW-Eau Claire
#13	335	Franklin and Marshall	22-2	won at Johns Hopkins, 71-63; 02/18 at Dickinson
#14	300	Transylvania	22-2	won at Hanover, 74-65; 02/18 at Bluffton
#15	250	William Paterson	22-3	def. CCNY, 75-49
#16	229	Oswego State	20-3	def. Geneseo State, 67-56; 02/17 vs. Buffalo State; 02/18 vs. Fredonia State
#17	189	Augustana	18-5	02/18 at Carthage
#18	143	Emory	18-4	02/17 at Carnegie Mellon; 02/19 at Case Western Reserve
#19	138	UW-River Falls	18-6	LOST at UW-La Crosse, 66-74; 02/18 vs. #9 UW-Whitewater
#20	107	Albertus Magnus	23-1	won at Johnson and Wales, 87-73; 02/18 vs. St. Joseph's (Maine)
#21	89	Wittenberg	19-5	won at DePauw, 56-55; 02/18 vs. Hiram
#22	84	Wooster	20-4	def. Allegheny, 91-61; 02/18 vs. DePauw
#23	77	Randolph-Macon	20-4	def. Ferrum, 72-60; 02/18 at Hampden-Sydney
#24	57	Washington U.	17-5	02/17 at Brandeis; 02/19 at #30 New York University
#25	50	Hartwick	22-2	02/18 vs. Stevens

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Western Connecticut	19-5	LOST at T#38 Rhode Island College, 78-79; 02/18 vs. Plymouth State
#27	44	Keene State	18-6	LOST to #36 Eastern Connecticut, 62-65; 02/18 at T#38 Rhode Island College
#28	42	Lake Forest	20-2	def. Knox, 64-50; 02/18 at Grinnell
#29	28	Wheaton (Ill.)	18-5	02/18 vs. North Park
#30	20	New York University	18-4	02/17 vs. Chicago; 02/19 vs. #24 Washington U.
#31	19	Bethany	21-3	def. Westminster (Pa.), 91-65; 02/18 at St. Vincent
#32	18	Wesleyan	19-5	02/18 vs. Bowdoin
#33	15	Illinois Wesleyan	18-6	won at Millikin, 84-45; 02/18 vs. Elmhurst
#34	14	Christopher Newport	20-4	won at Shenandoah, 69-60; 02/18 vs. Averett
#35	10	Williams	17-7	02/18 at #4 Middlebury
#36	9	Eastern Connecticut	19-5	won at #27 Keene State, 65-62; 02/18 at Mass-Boston
#37	8	Gustavus Adolphus	19-5	won at St. John's, 58-40; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 61-43; 02/18 vs. Bethel
T#38	7	North Central (Ill.)	17-7	won at North Park, 75-49; 02/18 vs. Millikin
T#38	7	Rhode Island College	19-5	def. #26 Western Connecticut, 79-78; 02/18 vs. #27 Keene State
T#38	7	WPI	17-6	LOST to #3 MIT, 66-71; 02/18 vs. Clark
#41	6	Lycoming	18-6	won at Elizabethtown, 69-68; 02/18 vs. Alvernia
#42	4	Wabash	17-7	LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 81-82; 02/18 at Oberlin
T#43	1	Edgewood	18-6	LOST at Concordia (Wis.), 66-69; 02/18 vs. Concordia (Ill.)
T#43	1	Hobart	19-4	02/17 at Bard; 02/18 at Vassar

[magicman]

#16 Oswego State comes from 10 points down against Buffalo State and scores the final 15 points of the game to win 78-73 and stay perfect in the SUNYAC at 17-0. It marked the 31st straight regular season conference win for the Lakers which is the 2nd longest active streak in Division 3. Oswego's overall record improves to 21-3, 21-2 in D3 as they lost 1 game to DI Texas-Pan American.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

I hope you'll forgive my little celebration at #14 ...

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	623	Hope	24-1	won at Olivet, 75-60; def. Trine, 65-46
#2	579	Amherst	23-2	def. Hamilton, 86-66
#3	551	MIT	23-1	won at T#38 WPI, 71-66
#4	527	Middlebury	23-2	def. #35 Williams, 73-61
#5	512	Mary Hardin-Baylor	24-1	def. Schreiner, 79-74; won at Texas Lutheran, 60-53
#6	494	Cabrini	24-1	won at Keystone, 96-85
#7	462	Virginia Wesleyan	22-3	won at Lynchburg, 73-62; def. Emory and Henry, 84-60; def. Washington and Lee, 77-49
#8	446	Birmingham-Southern	24-1	won at Berry, 69-58; def. Oglethorpe, 92-80
#9	429	UW-Whitewater	22-3	def. UW-Oshkosh, 76-64; won at #19 UW-River Falls, 55-53
#10	419	Whitworth	22-3	won at Whitman, 81-74; def. Willamette, 93-65
#11	385	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	23-1	won at Cal Lutheran, 57-46; won at Occidental, 55-47
#12	342	UW-Stevens Point	19-6	LOST to UW-Stout, 64-67; LOST at UW-Eau Claire, 58-77
#13	335	Franklin and Marshall	23-2	won at Johns Hopkins, 71-63; won at Dickinson, 63-53
#14	300	Transylvania	22-3	won at Hanover, 74-65; LOST at Bluffton, 65-83
#15	250	William Paterson	22-3	def. CCNY, 75-49
#16	229	Oswego State	22-3	def. Geneseo State, 67-56; def. Buffalo State, 78-73; def. Fredonia State, 75-44
#17	189	Augustana	19-5	won at Carthage, 74-73
#18	143	Emory	19-5	LOST at Carnegie Mellon, 79-82; won at Case Western Reserve, 105-71
#19	138	UW-River Falls	18-7	LOST at UW-La Crosse, 66-74; LOST to #9 UW-Whitewater, 53-55
#20	107	Albertus Magnus	24-1	won at Johnson and Wales, 87-73; def. St. Joseph's (Maine), 75-62
#21	89	Wittenberg	20-5	won at DePauw, 56-55; def. Hiram, 72-50
#22	84	Wooster	21-4	def. Allegheny, 91-61; def. DePauw, 74-67
#23	77	Randolph-Macon	20-5	def. Ferrum, 72-60; LOST at Hampden-Sydney, 71-79
#24	57	Washington U.	18-6	LOST at Brandeis, 69-79; won at #30 New York University, 74-68
#25	50	Hartwick	23-2	def. Stevens, 91-76

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	48	Western Connecticut	20-5	LOST at T#38 Rhode Island College, 78-79; def. Plymouth State, 90-70
#27	44	Keene State	18-7	LOST to #36 Eastern Connecticut, 62-65; LOST at T#38 Rhode Island College, 57-65
#28	42	Lake Forest	20-3	def. Knox, 64-50; LOST at Grinnell, 101-112
#29	28	Wheaton (Ill.)	19-5	def. North Park, 75-59
#30	20	New York University	19-5	def. Chicago, 79-69; LOST to #24 Washington U., 68-74
#31	19	Bethany	22-3	def. Westminster (Pa.), 91-65; won at St. Vincent, 76-64
#32	18	Wesleyan	20-5	def. Bowdoin, 78-59
#33	15	Illinois Wesleyan	19-6	won at Millikin, 84-45; def. Elmhurst, 79-60
#34	14	Christopher Newport	21-4	won at Shenandoah, 69-60; def. Averett, 99-95
#35	10	Williams	17-8	LOST at #4 Middlebury, 61-73
#36	9	Eastern Connecticut	20-5	won at #27 Keene State, 65-62; won at Mass-Boston, 76-68
#37	8	Gustavus Adolphus	19-6	won at St. John's, 58-40; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 61-43; LOST to Bethel, 52-68
T#38	7	North Central (Ill.)	18-7	won at North Park, 75-49; def. Millikin, 91-58
T#38	7	Rhode Island College	20-5	def. #26 Western Connecticut, 79-78; def. #27 Keene State, 65-57
T#38	7	WPI	18-6	LOST to #3 MIT, 66-71; def. Clark, 75-54
#41	6	Lycoming	18-7	won at Elizabethtown, 69-68; LOST to Alvernia, 60-68
#42	4	Wabash	18-7	LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 81-82; won at Oberlin, 69-32
T#43	1	Edgewood	19-6	LOST at Concordia (Wis.), 66-69; def. Concordia (Ill.), 74-62
T#43	1	Hobart	21-4	won at Bard, 65-48; won at Vassar, 69-43

[Greek Tragedy]

Great work, like usual, DN.

[mailsy]

There is another top 25 poll coming out tomorrow, right?  There certainly won't be a whole lot of movement out of the top 10.

[pjunito]

DN, the last three weeks, I have been doing all this work on researching how the 25 fared during thier weeks.... All I had to do was come to this room earlier....  Thanks!! Great work...

Go Albertus!

[Hugenerd]

Thats interesting, in their only game of the week MIT avenged their only loss of the season, beating WPI on the road, and then somehow lost 25 points in the new Week 12 poll to drop from #3 to #4. 

[pjunito]

Nerd, do you think WPI losing earlier in the week devalued slightly the MIT victory?