Top 25 talk

[smedindy]

I wouldn't really use power rankings until mid or late December, when team start accumulating data points.

[magicman]

Nice battle in New York State this evening that finished up a few minutes ago. SUNYAC contender Buffalo State defeated preseason Liberty League favorite Hobart at Hobart by a score 0f 80-74. Bengals turned an 8 point halftime deficit into an 8 point lead with 4 minutes to play and outlasted the Statesmen down the stretch.

[NEPAFAN]

I wouldn't really use power rankings until mid or late December, when team start accumulating data points.

Without a doubt, I was just curious because I remember that site also includes a winning % for each team for each game.

[madzillagd]

A quick look going into the holiday where the top 25 stands...

1 MIT 3-0
2 Virginia Wesleyan 2-0
3 UW-Whitewater  1-0
4 Middlebury 3-0
5 Amherst  3-0
6 North Central (Ill.) 3-0
7 Hope 1-1 (lost to #6 North Central)
8 Illinois Wesleyan 3-0
9 Franklin and Marshall 3-0
10 Cabrini 2-1 (Lost to VA Wes)
11 St. Thomas 3-0
12 Birmingham-Southern 2-1 (Lost to LaGrange)
13 Wooster 2-1 (Lost to Adrian)
14 Whitworth 0-1 (Lost to #11 St. Thomas)
15 UW-Stevens Point 3-0
16 Transylvania 2-1 (Lost to Catholic)
17 Ramapo 2-0
18 Scranton 3-0
19 St. Mary's (Md.) 1-1 (Lost to Catholic)
20 William Paterson  2-1 (Lost to Stevens)
21 Washington U.  3-0
22 Ohio Wesleyan 2-0
23 Wesleyan  2-1 (Lost to Williams)
24 Randolph-Macon 0-3 (Lost to #16 Transylvania, #19 St Mary's (MD), Christopher Newport)
25 Hampden-Sydney 2-1 (Lost to NC Wesleyan)

Some of the preseason vote getters that didn't make the Top 25
Bethany 2-1 (Lost to Baldwin-Wallace)
New York University 2-0
Albertus Magnus 1-0
St. Norbert 1-1 (Lost to Augustana)
Rose-Hulman 2-1 (Lost to Carroll)
Carroll 3-0
Oswego State 2-0
Eastern Connecticut  2-1 (Lost to Clark)
Whitman 0-2 (Lost to St Thomas, UC Riverside)
Trinity (Texas) 1-2 (Lost to WA U, Chicago)
Hobart 1-1 (lost to Dickinson)
Christopher Newport 2-0 (Beat #24)
Augustana 2-0
Wittenberg 3-0
Williams 3-0 (Beat #23)

Notables that did not receive any votes during the preseason but are now on the radar.
Stevens 3-0 (Beat #20)
Catholic 2-0 (Beat #16 & #19)
LaGrange 2-0 (Beat #12)
Adrian 3-0 (Beat #13)
NC Wesleyan 3-0 (Beat #25)

[madzillagd]

Figured I keep my thoughts separate from the facts.  As you can see 10 teams in the Top 25 have already lost (note there are more games to be played before the next Top 25 will be coming out).  In a simple world, all 10 teams with a loss would drop out of the top 25 to be replaced with 10 undefeated teams but that isn't happening.  For example, Hope not only won't drop out of the Top 25 but they might even stay in the Top 10 with their only loss being to a team above them in the rankings. Same scenario for Cabrini.   

My guess... 6 teams drop out of the top 25 maximum with more likely that number being 5.  (I'm looking at you #19, 20, 23, 24, 25)  Seven undefeated/unranked teams beat a ranked opponent.  Catholic is the only absolute lock to not only make it but to leap over several teams already in.  Christopher Newport & Williams are likely in because they received a good deal of votes previously and beat a ranked opponent.  As for the last couple spots I think it's more likely we will see NYU and Albertus Magnus in than a Stevens or Adrian.

[Darryl Nester]

My, how time flies ... I completely blanked out on the fact that last night was time for the inaugural "How They Fared" posting.  Thanks, madzillagd, for picking up the slack.  I'll try to get my act together and post the mid-week report on Thursday morning.

[magicman]

New Top 25 is out. Top 4 spots are unchanged but 7 teams drop out. Catholic is the biggest mover on the list, checking in at #14 with 240 points.

Now  Darryl can go to work!    Thanks for doing this again Darryl.   It's such a great resource for us throughout the year. Plus k.

[KnightSlappy]

New Top 25 is out. Top 4 spots are unchanged but 7 teams drop out. Catholic is the biggest mover on the list, checking in at #14 with 240 points.

meow

[mailsy]

Another top 25 match up. #18 Cabrini travels to #12 Scranton. Scranton might get some revenge this year. We'll see.

[Argylebballer]

This Thursdays game  of #1 MIT at #27 RIC should be a good early season match up. RIC is always tough at home and has been playing good defense but the offense has been no where to be found.
MIT played well in the second half against Curry and has played great defense as well.
If there was a line I would be on the under all day.

[NEPAFAN]

This Thursdays game  of #1 MIT at #27 RIC should be a good early season match up. RIC is always tough at home and has been playing good defense but the offense has been no where to be found.
MIT played well in the second half against Curry and has played great defense as well.
If there was a line I would be on the under all day.

I know some people if you really need a line on this game!

[John Gleich]

#3 UW Whitewater travels to #7 Illinois Wesleyan tonight. Should be a really good early test for two teams who made it to Salem last year.

[scottiedawg]

Biggest Gainers:

Catholic: 240
UW-Stevens Point: 220
Rochester: 152
Scranton: 133
Adrian: 132
St. Thomas: 129
Ramapo: 124
Christopher Newport: 107

Biggest Losers:

Randolph Macon: 102
Transylvania: 109
Wesleyan: 118
William Paterson: 122
Washington U: 134
Cabrini: 179
Birmingham Southern: 274
Hope: 276

[magicman]

#17 Rochester defeats RIT 66-59 in the first round of the Wendy's Classic, to improve to 6-0.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	600	MIT	5-0	def. Tufts, 70-60; 11/29 at #27 Rhode Island College; 12/01 vs. Newbury
#2	599	Virginia Wesleyan	4-0	won at Methodist, 67-59; def. Roanoke, 73-67; 12/02 vs. Frostburg State
#3	580	UW-Whitewater	4-0	won at #7 Illinois Wesleyan, 71-65; 12/01 at UW-Stout
#4	546	Middlebury	5-0	def. Southern Vermont, 96-60; 12/02 at Johnson and Wales
#5	508	North Central (Ill.)	4-0	12/01 at Trine; 12/02 at Kalamazoo
#6	485	Amherst	4-0	def. Lasell, 84-69; 11/30 at Elms; 12/01 vs. T#44 Springfield
#7	439	Illinois Wesleyan	4-1	LOST to #3 UW-Whitewater, 65-71; 11/30 vs. Tufts; 12/01 at TBA
#8	428	St. Thomas	4-0	won at Macalester, 88-40; 12/01 at Hamline
#9	421	UW-Stevens Point	4-0	12/01 at UW-Superior
#10	366	Washington U.	5-0	11/30 vs. Wilmington; 12/01 vs. TBA
#11	342	Franklin and Marshall	3-0	11/29 at Ursinus; 12/01 at McDaniel
#12	276	Scranton	4-0	def. #21 Cabrini, 74-73; 12/01 vs. Susquehanna
#13	273	Ramapo	3-0	def. Kean, 60-55; 12/01 at Rutgers-Camden
#14	240	Catholic	4-0	won at Haverford, 74-68; def. Frostburg State, 73-56; 12/01 at Drew
#15	174	Whitworth	2-1	won at Montana Tech, 90-75; 12/01 vs. UC Santa Cruz
#16	173	Wooster	4-1	won at Ohio Northern, 67-56; 12/01 at #30 Wittenberg
#17	162	Rochester	6-0	won at Rochester Tech, 66-59; 11/30 vs. St. John Fisher; 12/01 at TBD
#18	146	Christopher Newport	4-0	12/01 at Maryville (Tenn.)
#19	141	Hope	2-2	11/30 at Carthage; 12/01 at #32 Wheaton (Ill.)
#20	132	Adrian	6-0	def. Mich.-Dearborn, 67-42; def. Mount Union, 63-48; 12/01 at Carnegie Mellon
#21	128	Cabrini	3-2	LOST at #12 Scranton, 73-74
#22	114	New York University	4-0	IDLE
#23	108	Albertus Magnus	3-0	def. Mitchell, 87-74; 12/01 vs. Lasell
#24	93	Williams	5-0	won at RPI, 105-60; 12/01 vs. T#44 Stevens
#25	89	St. Mary's (Md.)	3-1	12/01 vs. York (Pa.)

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	85	Transylvania	2-2	LOST at Centre, 64-70; 12/01 at Anderson
#27	53	Rhode Island College	4-0	11/29 vs. #1 MIT; 12/01 vs. Plymouth State
#28	52	Augustana	4-0	def. T#39 UW-Platteville, 69-57; 11/29 vs. UW-Oshkosh
#29	51	North Carolina Wesleyan	6-0	def. Mary Washington, 89-85; 12/01 at Roanoke Bible
#30	46	Wittenberg	4-0	def. Marietta, 73-63; 12/01 vs. #16 Wooster
#31	39	Ohio Wesleyan	4-1	won at Capital, 64-53; 12/01 at Allegheny
#32	35	Wheaton (Ill.)	4-0	won at Chicago, 64-52; 11/30 vs. T#36 Calvin; 12/01 vs. #19 Hope
#33	28	WPI	5-0	won at Elms, 76-62; 11/29 vs. Lasell; 12/01 at Husson
#34	24	Carroll	4-1	won at Lake Forest, 80-57
#35	21	Birmingham Southern	4-2	won at Emory, 75-72
T#36	17	Whitman	3-2	11/29 vs. UC Santa Cruz
T#36	17	Calvin	6-0	won at Manchester, 87-63; 11/30 at #32 Wheaton (Ill.); 12/01 vs. Carthage
#38	14	William Paterson	4-1	won at FDU-Florham, 69-61; def. Montclair State, 78-58; 12/01 at Richard Stockton
T#39	12	UW-Platteville	5-1	LOST at #28 Augustana, 57-69; 12/01 at UW-River Falls
T#39	12	Oswego State	3-0	won at SUNY-Cobleskill, 80-70; 11/30 vs. Plattsburgh State; 12/01 vs. Potsdam State
T#41	11	UW-La Crosse	5-0	won at Bethany Lutheran, 67-55; 12/01 at UW-Eau Claire
T#41	11	Rose-Hulman	4-1	won at Wabash, 61-37; def. Fontbonne, 72-54; 12/01 vs. Defiance
T#41	11	Hampden-Sydney	4-1	won at Wesley, 83-75; 11/30 vs. Methodist; 12/02 vs. Piedmont
T#44	7	Springfield	4-0	won at T#48 Keene State, 75-72; 11/30 at Westfield State; 12/01 at #6 Amherst
T#44	7	Stevens	4-0	12/01 at #24 Williams
#46	4	Salisbury	5-1	12/01 at Penn State-Abington
#47	2	LaGrange	4-1	won at Covenant, 69-55; 12/01 at Huntingdon
T#48	1	Augsburg	4-0	won at Gustavus Adolphus, 81-73; 12/01 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
T#48	1	Texas-Dallas	4-0	won at Austin, 61-50; 12/01 at Hardin-Simmons
T#48	1	Keene State	2-2	LOST to T#44 Springfield, 72-75; 12/01 at Mass-Dartmouth