Top 25 talk

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smedindy

I wouldn't really use power rankings until mid or late December, when team start accumulating data points.
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magicman

Nice battle in New York State this evening that finished up a few minutes ago. SUNYAC contender Buffalo State defeated preseason Liberty League favorite Hobart at Hobart by a score 0f 80-74. Bengals turned an 8 point halftime deficit into an 8 point lead with 4 minutes to play and outlasted the Statesmen down the stretch.

NEPAFAN

Quote from: smedindy on November 20, 2012, 07:27:40 PM
I wouldn't really use power rankings until mid or late December, when team start accumulating data points.

Without a doubt, I was just curious because I remember that site also includes a winning % for each team for each game.
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madzillagd

A quick look going into the holiday where the top 25 stands...

1 MIT 3-0
2 Virginia Wesleyan 2-0
3 UW-Whitewater  1-0
4 Middlebury 3-0
5 Amherst  3-0
6 North Central (Ill.) 3-0
7 Hope 1-1 (lost to #6 North Central)
8 Illinois Wesleyan 3-0
9 Franklin and Marshall 3-0
10 Cabrini 2-1 (Lost to VA Wes)
11 St. Thomas 3-0
12 Birmingham-Southern 2-1 (Lost to LaGrange)
13 Wooster 2-1 (Lost to Adrian)
14 Whitworth 0-1 (Lost to #11 St. Thomas)
15 UW-Stevens Point 3-0
16 Transylvania 2-1 (Lost to Catholic)
17 Ramapo 2-0
18 Scranton 3-0
19 St. Mary's (Md.) 1-1 (Lost to Catholic)
20 William Paterson  2-1 (Lost to Stevens)
21 Washington U.  3-0
22 Ohio Wesleyan 2-0
23 Wesleyan  2-1 (Lost to Williams)
24 Randolph-Macon 0-3 (Lost to #16 Transylvania, #19 St Mary's (MD), Christopher Newport)
25 Hampden-Sydney 2-1 (Lost to NC Wesleyan)

Some of the preseason vote getters that didn't make the Top 25
Bethany 2-1 (Lost to Baldwin-Wallace)
New York University 2-0
Albertus Magnus 1-0
St. Norbert 1-1 (Lost to Augustana)
Rose-Hulman 2-1 (Lost to Carroll)
Carroll 3-0
Oswego State 2-0
Eastern Connecticut  2-1 (Lost to Clark)
Whitman 0-2 (Lost to St Thomas, UC Riverside)
Trinity (Texas) 1-2 (Lost to WA U, Chicago)
Hobart 1-1 (lost to Dickinson)
Christopher Newport 2-0 (Beat #24)
Augustana 2-0
Wittenberg 3-0
Williams 3-0 (Beat #23)

Notables that did not receive any votes during the preseason but are now on the radar.
Stevens 3-0 (Beat #20)
Catholic 2-0 (Beat #16 & #19)
LaGrange 2-0 (Beat #12)
Adrian 3-0 (Beat #13)
NC Wesleyan 3-0 (Beat #25)

madzillagd

Figured I keep my thoughts separate from the facts.  As you can see 10 teams in the Top 25 have already lost (note there are more games to be played before the next Top 25 will be coming out).  In a simple world, all 10 teams with a loss would drop out of the top 25 to be replaced with 10 undefeated teams but that isn't happening.  For example, Hope not only won't drop out of the Top 25 but they might even stay in the Top 10 with their only loss being to a team above them in the rankings. Same scenario for Cabrini.   

My guess... 6 teams drop out of the top 25 maximum with more likely that number being 5.  (I'm looking at you #19, 20, 23, 24, 25)  Seven undefeated/unranked teams beat a ranked opponent.  Catholic is the only absolute lock to not only make it but to leap over several teams already in.  Christopher Newport & Williams are likely in because they received a good deal of votes previously and beat a ranked opponent.  As for the last couple spots I think it's more likely we will see NYU and Albertus Magnus in than a Stevens or Adrian.

Darryl Nester

My, how time flies ... I completely blanked out on the fact that last night was time for the inaugural "How They Fared" posting.  Thanks, madzillagd, for picking up the slack.  I'll try to get my act together and post the mid-week report on Thursday morning.

magicman

#7131
New Top 25 is out. Top 4 spots are unchanged but 7 teams drop out. Catholic is the biggest mover on the list, checking in at #14 with 240 points.

Now  Darryl can go to work! ;D   Thanks for doing this again Darryl. 8-)  It's such a great resource for us throughout the year. Plus k.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: magicman on November 26, 2012, 11:11:30 PM
New Top 25 is out. Top 4 spots are unchanged but 7 teams drop out. Catholic is the biggest mover on the list, checking in at #14 with 240 points.

meow

mailsy

Another top 25 match up. #18 Cabrini travels to #12 Scranton. Scranton might get some revenge this year. We'll see.
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Argylebballer

This Thursdays game  of #1 MIT at #27 RIC should be a good early season match up. RIC is always tough at home and has been playing good defense but the offense has been no where to be found.
MIT played well in the second half against Curry and has played great defense as well.
If there was a line I would be on the under all day.

NEPAFAN

Quote from: Argylebballer on November 27, 2012, 10:21:19 AM
This Thursdays game  of #1 MIT at #27 RIC should be a good early season match up. RIC is always tough at home and has been playing good defense but the offense has been no where to be found.
MIT played well in the second half against Curry and has played great defense as well.
If there was a line I would be on the under all day.



I know some people if you really need a line on this game! ;D
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#3 UW Whitewater travels to #7 Illinois Wesleyan tonight. Should be a really good early test for two teams who made it to Salem last year.

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scottiedawg

Biggest Gainers:

Catholic: 240
UW-Stevens Point: 220
Rochester: 152
Scranton: 133
Adrian: 132
St. Thomas: 129
Ramapo: 124
Christopher Newport: 107

Biggest Losers:

Randolph Macon: 102
Transylvania: 109
Wesleyan: 118
William Paterson: 122
Washington U: 134
Cabrini: 179
Birmingham Southern: 274
Hope: 276

magicman

#17 Rochester defeats RIT 66-59 in the first round of the Wendy's Classic, to improve to 6-0.

Darryl Nester

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1600MIT5-0def. Tufts, 70-60; 11/29 at #27 Rhode Island College; 12/01 vs. Newbury
#2599Virginia Wesleyan4-0won at Methodist, 67-59; def. Roanoke, 73-67; 12/02 vs. Frostburg State
#3580UW-Whitewater4-0won at #7 Illinois Wesleyan, 71-65; 12/01 at UW-Stout
#4546Middlebury5-0def. Southern Vermont, 96-60; 12/02 at Johnson and Wales
#5508North Central (Ill.)4-012/01 at Trine; 12/02 at Kalamazoo
#6485Amherst4-0def. Lasell, 84-69; 11/30 at Elms; 12/01 vs. T#44 Springfield
#7439Illinois Wesleyan4-1LOST to #3 UW-Whitewater, 65-71; 11/30 vs. Tufts; 12/01 at TBA
#8428St. Thomas4-0won at Macalester, 88-40; 12/01 at Hamline
#9421UW-Stevens Point4-012/01 at UW-Superior
#10366Washington U.5-011/30 vs. Wilmington; 12/01 vs. TBA
#11342Franklin and Marshall3-011/29 at Ursinus; 12/01 at McDaniel
#12276Scranton4-0def. #21 Cabrini, 74-73; 12/01 vs. Susquehanna
#13273Ramapo3-0def. Kean, 60-55; 12/01 at Rutgers-Camden
#14240Catholic4-0won at Haverford, 74-68; def. Frostburg State, 73-56; 12/01 at Drew
#15174Whitworth2-1won at Montana Tech, 90-75; 12/01 vs. UC Santa Cruz
#16173Wooster4-1won at Ohio Northern, 67-56; 12/01 at #30 Wittenberg
#17162Rochester6-0won at Rochester Tech, 66-59; 11/30 vs. St. John Fisher; 12/01 at TBD
#18146Christopher Newport4-012/01 at Maryville (Tenn.)
#19141Hope2-211/30 at Carthage; 12/01 at #32 Wheaton (Ill.)
#20132Adrian6-0def. Mich.-Dearborn, 67-42; def. Mount Union, 63-48; 12/01 at Carnegie Mellon
#21128Cabrini3-2LOST at #12 Scranton, 73-74
#22114New York University4-0IDLE
#23108Albertus Magnus3-0def. Mitchell, 87-74; 12/01 vs. Lasell
#2493Williams5-0won at RPI, 105-60; 12/01 vs. T#44 Stevens
#2589St. Mary's (Md.)3-112/01 vs. York (Pa.)


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2685Transylvania2-2LOST at Centre, 64-70; 12/01 at Anderson
#2753Rhode Island College4-011/29 vs. #1 MIT; 12/01 vs. Plymouth State
#2852Augustana4-0def. T#39 UW-Platteville, 69-57; 11/29 vs. UW-Oshkosh
#2951North Carolina Wesleyan6-0def. Mary Washington, 89-85; 12/01 at Roanoke Bible
#3046Wittenberg4-0def. Marietta, 73-63; 12/01 vs. #16 Wooster
#3139Ohio Wesleyan4-1won at Capital, 64-53; 12/01 at Allegheny
#3235Wheaton (Ill.)4-0won at Chicago, 64-52; 11/30 vs. T#36 Calvin; 12/01 vs. #19 Hope
#3328WPI5-0won at Elms, 76-62; 11/29 vs. Lasell; 12/01 at Husson
#3424Carroll4-1won at Lake Forest, 80-57
#3521Birmingham Southern4-2won at Emory, 75-72
T#3617Whitman3-211/29 vs. UC Santa Cruz
T#3617Calvin6-0won at Manchester, 87-63; 11/30 at #32 Wheaton (Ill.); 12/01 vs. Carthage
#3814William Paterson4-1won at FDU-Florham, 69-61; def. Montclair State, 78-58; 12/01 at Richard Stockton
T#3912UW-Platteville5-1LOST at #28 Augustana, 57-69; 12/01 at UW-River Falls
T#3912Oswego State3-0won at SUNY-Cobleskill, 80-70; 11/30 vs. Plattsburgh State; 12/01 vs. Potsdam State
T#4111UW-La Crosse5-0won at Bethany Lutheran, 67-55; 12/01 at UW-Eau Claire
T#4111Rose-Hulman4-1won at Wabash, 61-37; def. Fontbonne, 72-54; 12/01 vs. Defiance
T#4111Hampden-Sydney4-1won at Wesley, 83-75; 11/30 vs. Methodist; 12/02 vs. Piedmont
T#447Springfield4-0won at T#48 Keene State, 75-72; 11/30 at Westfield State; 12/01 at #6 Amherst
T#447Stevens4-012/01 at #24 Williams
#464Salisbury5-112/01 at Penn State-Abington
#472LaGrange4-1won at Covenant, 69-55; 12/01 at Huntingdon
T#481Augsburg4-0won at Gustavus Adolphus, 81-73; 12/01 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
T#481Texas-Dallas4-0won at Austin, 61-50; 12/01 at Hardin-Simmons
T#481Keene State2-2LOST to T#44 Springfield, 72-75; 12/01 at Mass-Dartmouth