Top 25 talk

[Pat Coleman]

Correct, that's the men's field.

[Pat Coleman]

Dates would be Dec. 28-30, 2013, as it stands right now. The NWC teams would be Whitworth, Whitman, George Fox and Linfield.

[Greek Tragedy]

Thanks.

[mass_d3fan]

Congratulations to WPI for reaching #8 in the top 25.  I believe this is the highest the Engineers have ever been ranked.

[madzillagd]

Rough night for the Top 25.  1, 6, 7, 13, 17 all taking an L tonight.  Wow.   

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	609	North Central (Ill.)	13-1	LOST at Carthage, 53-64; 01/12 vs. #17 Augustana
#2	594	St. Thomas	13-0	won at Bethel, 90-48; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 81-60; 01/12 vs. St. John's
#3	593	Middlebury	11-0	01/11 vs. Connecticut College; 01/12 vs. Wesleyan
#4	549	Rochester	12-0	01/11 vs. Chicago; 01/13 vs. #12 Washington U.
#5	488	Whitworth	13-1	def. T#35 Whitman, 112-100; 01/11 at George Fox
#6	428	Catholic	12-2	LOST at Juniata, 75-85; 01/12 at Moravian
#7	419	Ramapo	12-2	LOST to William Paterson, 64-65; 01/12 at Richard Stockton
#8	396	WPI	14-0	won at Coast Guard, 83-49; 01/10 at Worcester State; 01/12 at Wheaton (Mass.)
#9	385	St. Mary's (Md.)	14-1	def. #14 Franklin and Marshall, 63-57; 01/12 at Wesley
#10	376	UW-Stevens Point	13-2	def. T#43 UW-Stout, 70-51; 01/12 vs. #37 UW-La Crosse
#11	363	UW-Whitewater	12-2	won at UW-Platteville, 74-61; 01/12 at UW-Superior
#12	324	Washington U.	10-2	01/11 at Emory; 01/13 at #4 Rochester
#13	314	Christopher Newport	11-2	LOST at North Carolina Wesleyan, 109-112; 01/12 vs. LaGrange; 01/13 vs. Piedmont
#14	300	Franklin and Marshall	11-2	LOST at #9 St. Mary's (Md.), 57-63; 01/10 at Muhlenberg; 01/12 at Washington College
#15	274	Wooster	11-2	won at Hiram, 78-62; 01/12 vs. DePauw
#16	238	Ohio Wesleyan	12-1	def. Denison, 94-68; 01/12 vs. Allegheny
#17	223	Augustana	12-2	LOST at #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 60-63; 01/12 at #1 North Central (Ill.)
#18	165	Williams	12-1	01/11 vs. Wesleyan; 01/12 vs. Connecticut College
#19	152	Albertus Magnus	10-1	won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 92-75; 01/10 vs. Rivier; 01/12 at Emmanuel
#20	138	Wheaton (Ill.)	11-3	def. North Park, 73-49; 01/12 vs. Millikin
#21	121	Amherst	11-2	01/11 at Hamilton
#22	99	Illinois Wesleyan	11-3	def. #17 Augustana, 63-60; 01/12 vs. Carthage
#23	96	Rose-Hulman	13-1	def. Anderson, 69-40; 01/12 vs. #27 Transylvania
#24	82	Randolph	13-0	def. Roanoke, 73-61; 01/12 at #33 Virginia Wesleyan
#25	69	Adrian	12-2	def. Trine, 56-54; 01/12 at Olivet

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	60	MIT	10-3	LOST at Springfield, 53-56; 01/10 vs. Coast Guard; 01/12 vs. Babson
#27	37	Transylvania	10-4	LOST at Hanover, 64-69; 01/12 at #23 Rose-Hulman
#28	36	Rhode Island College	11-2	won at Southern Maine, 71-66; 01/12 vs. Keene State
T#29	32	Hampden-Sydney	12-2	won at Lynchburg, 79-70; 01/12 vs. Washington and Lee
T#29	32	Calvin	12-2	won at Kalamazoo, 79-53; 01/12 vs. Alma
#31	26	Concordia (Texas)	10-3	LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 95-98; 01/10 vs. Hardin-Simmons; 01/13 vs. Fisher
#32	24	Guilford	12-2	won at Emory and Henry, 82-68; 01/12 at Eastern Mennonite
#33	17	Virginia Wesleyan	9-4	won at Bridgewater (Va.), 80-68; 01/12 vs. #24 Randolph
#34	13	NYU	10-2	def. Hunter, 81-65; 01/11 vs. Case Western Reserve; 01/13 vs. Carnegie Mellon
T#35	11	Whitman	9-5	LOST at #5 Whitworth, 100-112; 01/12 at George Fox
T#35	11	Stevens	9-1	won at Kean, 75-70; 01/11 vs. Alfred; 01/12 vs. St. John Fisher
#37	6	UW-La Crosse	12-3	def. UW-River Falls, 73-54; 01/12 at #10 UW-Stevens Point
T#38	5	St. Norbert	9-3	won at Ripon, 72-43; 01/12 vs. Illinois College
T#38	5	Brandeis	10-2	01/11 vs. Carnegie Mellon; 01/13 vs. Case Western Reserve
#40	4	Carroll (Wis.)	10-3	def. Beloit, 74-72; 01/12 at Knox
T#41	3	Augsburg	10-2	won at St. John's, 77-65; LOST to Carleton, 71-75; 01/12 at St. Olaf
T#41	3	Lycoming	11-3	LOST to Lebanon Valley, 86-90; 01/12 at Stevenson
T#43	2	UW-Stout	11-3	LOST at #10 UW-Stevens Point, 51-70; 01/12 at UW-Oshkosh
T#43	2	Albright	12-2	def. Hood, 63-57; 01/12 at Lebanon Valley
#45	1	Oswego State	9-2	LOST at Oneonta State, 57-67; 01/11 vs. Fredonia State; 01/12 vs. Buffalo State

[WUPHF]

Alan Aboona goes 10-11 from downtown to help Washington University in the come from behind win over Emory. Whew!

[Greek Tragedy]

Superior knocks off Whitewater 69-66.

[njf1003]

All I have to say about this week is conference play....

Winless Washington (MD) knocks off #14 F&M 62-61...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

All I have to say about this week is conference play....

Winless Washington (MD) knocks off #14 F&M 62-61...

F&M is not a Top 25 caliber team.  I just got back from the game today.  Comparing this team to the one I saw in the playoffs last year was night and day.  I expected them to be worse; they lost a lot - but they're much worse.

I'm not sure how Hayk Gyokchyan scores 18 per night.  He's the least athletic human being I've ever seen and is only capable of scoring either from open threes or when he gets the ball in the low post (the positioning for, he's not great at getting into and the team doesn't seem to be very good at getting him the ball there when he does).  Their ballhandling is weak (I couldn't see them handling even an above average press), and while their signature aggressiveness and discipline is there, the talent level is well below what we normally expect from F&M.

I think it's a one year blip, as they've got a solid freshman backup PG right now and all of their best players are sophomores and juniors.

Of course, you also can't put marked improvement past Glenn Robinson.  He was making some interesting choices today, presumably for future payout.  Junior, Matt Porter, made a stupid mistake on defense half way through the first half and he got benched for 20 minutes.  The officiating was atrocious today, but not one-sided.

The team isn't bad, but even on their best day, I can't see them beating a Top 15 team.  I know I only vote in the Posters Poll, but I can't see myself voting for them at all the rest of the season.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Gonna be a shake-up of the Top 25: #24 Randolph falls from the undefeated ranks, losing to Va Wes (no real disgrace in that, but no glory either!); one-time #7 (now #25) Adrian loses to Olivet!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Just noticed that #23 RHIT also lost (to Transy) - gonna be a lot of room at the bottom of the ballot!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Just noticed that #23 RHIT also lost (to Transy) - gonna be a lot of room at the bottom of the ballot!

Time for Wesley to get some votes.  They're up 15 on St. Mary's right now with 5 minutes to go.  They've already beaten Cabrini (with Walton-Moss) and Virginia Wesleyan (for what that's worth).

[Ralph Turner]

Anxiously awaiting Darryl's update.

Lots of carnage this week.  It will take a bit longer to fill out my "Poster's Poll".   

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	609	North Central (Ill.)	14-1	LOST at Carthage, 53-64; def. #17 Augustana, 59-46
#2	594	St. Thomas	14-0	won at Bethel, 90-48; def. Gustavus Adolphus, 81-60; def. St. John's, 94-63
#3	593	Middlebury	13-0	def. Connecticut College, 85-68; def. Wesleyan, 78-77
#4	549	Rochester	14-0	def. Chicago, 64-47; def. #12 Washington U., 93-81
#5	488	Whitworth	14-1	def. T#35 Whitman, 112-100; won at George Fox, 61-59
#6	428	Catholic	13-2	LOST at Juniata, 75-85; won at Moravian, 85-59
#7	419	Ramapo	13-2	LOST to William Paterson, 64-65; won at Richard Stockton, 71-68
#8	396	WPI	16-0	won at Coast Guard, 83-49; won at Worcester State, 87-71; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 58-41
#9	385	St. Mary's (Md.)	14-2	def. #14 Franklin and Marshall, 63-57; LOST at Wesley, 54-68
#10	376	UW-Stevens Point	14-2	def. T#43 UW-Stout, 70-51; def. #37 UW-La Crosse, 62-57
#11	363	UW-Whitewater	12-3	won at UW-Platteville, 74-61; LOST at UW-Superior, 66-69
#12	324	Washington U.	11-3	won at Emory, 86-84; LOST at #4 Rochester, 81-93
#13	314	Christopher Newport	12-2	LOST at North Carolina Wesleyan, 109-112; def. LaGrange, 86-76; 01/13 vs. Piedmont cancelled
#14	300	Franklin and Marshall	12-3	LOST at #9 St. Mary's (Md.), 57-63; won at Muhlenberg, 74-69; LOST at Washington College, 61-62
#15	274	Wooster	12-2	won at Hiram, 78-62; def. DePauw, 68-58
#16	238	Ohio Wesleyan	13-1	def. Denison, 94-68; def. Allegheny, 79-73
#17	223	Augustana	12-3	LOST at #22 Illinois Wesleyan, 60-63; LOST at #1 North Central (Ill.), 46-59
#18	165	Williams	14-1	def. Wesleyan, 74-65; def. Connecticut College, 96-63
#19	152	Albertus Magnus	12-1	won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 92-75; def. Rivier, 76-66; won at Emmanuel, 97-90
#20	138	Wheaton (Ill.)	12-3	def. North Park, 73-49; def. Millikin, 91-71
#21	121	Amherst	12-2	won at Hamilton, 79-77
#22	99	Illinois Wesleyan	12-3	def. #17 Augustana, 63-60; def. Carthage, 82-65
#23	96	Rose-Hulman	13-2	def. Anderson, 69-40; LOST to #27 Transylvania, 60-69
#24	82	Randolph	13-1	def. Roanoke, 73-61; LOST at #33 Virginia Wesleyan, 66-72
#25	69	Adrian	12-3	def. Trine, 56-54; LOST at Olivet, 49-52

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	60	MIT	12-3	LOST at Springfield, 53-56; def. Coast Guard, 83-45; def. Babson, 69-64
#27	37	Transylvania	11-4	LOST at Hanover, 64-69; won at #23 Rose-Hulman, 69-60
#28	36	Rhode Island College	12-2	won at Southern Maine, 71-66; def. Keene State, 58-55
T#29	32	Hampden-Sydney	13-2	won at Lynchburg, 79-70; def. Washington and Lee, 61-41
T#29	32	Calvin	13-2	won at Kalamazoo, 79-53; def. Alma, 86-63
#31	26	Concordia (Texas)	12-3	LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 95-98; def. Hardin-Simmons, 116-83; def. Fisher, 88-64
#32	24	Guilford	13-2	won at Emory and Henry, 82-68; won at Eastern Mennonite, 77-66
#33	17	Virginia Wesleyan	10-4	won at Bridgewater (Va.), 80-68; def. #24 Randolph, 72-66
#34	13	NYU	12-2	def. Hunter, 81-65; def. Case Western Reserve, 75-58; def. Carnegie Mellon, 59-53
T#35	11	Whitman	9-6	LOST at #5 Whitworth, 100-112; LOST at George Fox, 73-76
T#35	11	Stevens	11-1	won at Kean, 75-70; def. Alfred, 72-48; def. St. John Fisher, 74-68
#37	6	UW-La Crosse	12-4	def. UW-River Falls, 73-54; LOST at #10 UW-Stevens Point, 57-62
T#38	5	St. Norbert	10-3	won at Ripon, 72-43; def. Illinois College, 95-59
T#38	5	Brandeis	12-2	def. Carnegie Mellon, 69-62; def. Case Western Reserve, 77-58
#40	4	Carroll (Wis.)	11-3	def. Beloit, 74-72; won at Knox, 91-51
T#41	3	Augsburg	11-2	won at St. John's, 77-65; LOST to Carleton, 71-75; won at St. Olaf, 90-82
T#41	3	Lycoming	12-3	LOST to Lebanon Valley, 86-90; won at Stevenson, 104-100
T#43	2	UW-Stout	12-3	LOST at #10 UW-Stevens Point, 51-70; won at UW-Oshkosh, 76-50
T#43	2	Albright	12-3	def. Hood, 63-57; LOST at Lebanon Valley, 67-77
#45	1	Oswego State	11-2	LOST at Oneonta State, 57-67; def. Fredonia State, 74-56; def. Buffalo State, 79-69

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Wesley	14-4	won at Frostburg State, 75-67; def. #9 St. Mary's (Md.), 68-54

Time for Wesley to get some votes.  They're up 15 on St. Mary's right now with 5 minutes to go.  They've already beaten Cabrini (with Walton-Moss) and Virginia Wesleyan (for what that's worth).

Wesley has won 9 in a row; their last loss was on Dec. 8.  Their four losses were by 2, 8, 8, and 8 points.