Top 25 talk

[Ralph Turner]

Despite the ensuing discussion about whether Cabrini was worth further consideration, it takes little effort on my part to add a team to the list, so here you go.

Regardless of "how little effort" it takes to add one more team, your diligence and tenacity to this effort, week after week, year after year, is greatly appreciated.

The most tangible way that we can thank you for this is generously to send karma your way!

I invite all of my fellow posters to "applaud" Darryl each time you consult his lists!  +1!   

[magicman]

Despite the ensuing discussion about whether Cabrini was worth further consideration, it takes little effort on my part to add a team to the list, so here you go.

Regardless of "how little effort" it takes to add one more team, your diligence and tenacity to this effort, week after week, year after year, is greatly appreciated.

The most tangible way that we can thank you for this is generously to send karma your way!

I invite all of my fellow posters to "applaud" Darryl each time you consult his lists!  +1!   

I've applauded him so much my hands are sore.

[wooscotsfan]

Darryl - great job again on the Top 25 results tracking! k+

One more team that deserves to be tracked is Marietta.  They are 12-4 with 2 of those losses to #8 Wooster and #9 Ohio Wesleyan.  Their other two losses were both on the road at Wittenberg and at Baldwin-Wallace which are tough places to get a win.  Thanks for your excellent work! 

UPDATE:  Marietta won again today so they are 13-4 and in first place in the OAC with a 9-1 record.

[Titan Q]

Massey Top 25...

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. Rochester
4. North Central
5. Whitworth
6. UW-Whitewater
7. Wooster
8. Williams
9. Hampden-Sydney
10. WPI
11. Illinois Wesleyan
12. UW-Stout
13. Augustana
14. Washington U
15. Stevens
16. Calvin
17. Catholic
18. Randolph
19. Wheaton
20. Guilford
21. Christopher Newport
22. Ohio Wesleyan
23. Middlebury
24. St. Mary's
25. Rose-Hulman

Conference rankings...

1. WIAC - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/WIAC/men/2012-13/standings
2. UAA - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/UAA/men/2012-13/standings
3. CCIW - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/CCIW/men/2012-13/standings
4. ODAC - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/ODAC/men/2012-13/standings
5. MACC - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/MACC/men/2012-13/standings

[Ralph Turner]

Massey Top 25...

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&yr=2013&sub=11620

1. St. Thomas
2. UW-Stevens Point
3. Rochester
4. North Central
5. Whitworth
6. UW-Whitewater
7. Wooster
8. Williams
9. Hampden-Sydney
10. WPI
11. Illinois Wesleyan
12. UW-Stout
13. Augustana
14. Washington U
15. Stevens
16. Calvin
17. Catholic
18. Randolph
19. Wheaton
20. Guilford
21. Christopher Newport
22. Ohio Wesleyan
23. Middlebury
24. St. Mary's
25. Rose-Hulman

Conference rankings...

1. WIAC - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/WIAC/men/2012-13/standings
2. UAA - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/UAA/men/2012-13/standings
3. CCIW - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/CCIW/men/2012-13/standings
4. ODAC - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/ODAC/men/2012-13/standings
5. MACC - http://www.d3hoops.com/conf/MACC/men/2012-13/standings

Respectfully, I agree with the Top 4 conferences, but how does the MACC slip in there at #5?

Conference (only 10 members) with only one really "bad team" and 6 teams at .625 and better?

Good geographic proximity to build a strong SOS by avoiding "SOS-toxic" opponents?

The actual power rating for the MACC is 0.11

The MIAC is 6th at 0.10.
The IIAC is 7th at 0.10.

I am glad to see the ASC-West is 11th , ahead of the OAC Capital AC and NJAC.

[smedindy]

A lot of good / to great teams make for a better conference than "a couple of great ones, then some ok ones, then heinous ones".

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	618	St. Thomas	16-0	won at St. Olaf, 94-64; def. Macalester, 92-53
#2	585	Rochester	16-0	won at Carnegie Mellon, 72-63; won at Case Western Reserve, 88-66
#3	583	Middlebury	15-0	won at Castleton State, 54-38; def. Hamilton, 66-47
#4	533	Whitworth	16-1	def. Willamette, 88-69; def. Linfield, 80-50
#5	519	North Central (Ill.)	16-1	def. Millikin, 66-44; won at North Park, 69-61
#6	501	WPI	18-0	def. Clark, 57-45; def. #32 MIT, 65-59
#7	475	UW-Stevens Point	16-2	def. UW-Platteville, 65-60; won at UW-River Falls, 80-44
#8	390	Wooster	14-2	def. Allegheny, 92-68; won at #9 Ohio Wesleyan, 88-82
#9	379	Ohio Wesleyan	13-3	LOST at Hiram, 65-78; LOST to #8 Wooster, 82-88
#10	343	Williams	16-1	won at Lyndon State, 90-59; won at Hamilton, 67-59
#11	334	Catholic	15-2	def. Susquehanna, 82-65; def. #42 Scranton, 58-48
#12	324	Ramapo	16-2	def. York (N.Y.), 78-52; def. New Jersey City, 60-54; def. Rutgers-Camden, 85-63
#13	283	Washington U.	12-4	def. New York University, 68-59; LOST to #27 Brandeis, 62-67
#14	245	St. Mary's (Md.)	16-2	won at Mary Washington, 58-54; def. Salisbury, 59-50
#15	241	UW-Whitewater	14-3	def. UW-Oshkosh, 68-50; def. T#40 UW-Stout, 58-55
#16	229	Amherst	15-2	def. Wesleyan, 66-58; def. Bowdoin, 80-70; def. Colby, 98-75
#17	224	Christopher Newport	13-2	def. Maryville (Tenn.), 79-71
#18	221	Illinois Wesleyan	14-3	won at North Park, 86-59; won at Millikin, 93-60
#19	183	Albertus Magnus	15-1	def. Suffolk, 95-76; won at Mount Ida, 106-91; def. Emerson, 91-67
#20	180	Wheaton (Ill.)	13-4	won at #23 Augustana, 86-67; LOST at Carthage, 61-62
#21	85	Calvin	15-2	def. Hope, 75-49; won at Trine, 56-43
#22	71	Guilford	14-3	def. #30 Randolph, 69-65; LOST at Washington and Lee, 58-62
#23	68	Augustana	13-4	LOST to #20 Wheaton (Ill.), 67-86; def. Elmhurst, 84-41
#24	67	Stevens	14-1	def. Merchant Marine, 66-56; def. Nazareth, 74-64; def. Houghton, 80-49
#25	62	Rhode Island College	14-2	won at Mass-Dartmouth, 70-64; won at Plymouth State, 57-54

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	59	Franklin and Marshall	14-3	won at Johns Hopkins, 76-71; def. McDaniel, 71-58
#27	53	Brandeis	14-2	won at Chicago, 59-55; won at #13 Washington U., 67-62
#28	46	Hampden-Sydney	15-2	def. Randolph-Macon, 70-60; won at Eastern Mennonite, 104-94
#29	42	Rose-Hulman	15-2	won at Franklin, 58-42; def. Bluffton, 67-64
#30	29	Randolph	14-2	LOST at #22 Guilford, 65-69; def. Bridgewater (Va.), 62-53
#31	28	Transylvania	13-4	def. Mount St. Joseph, 53-42; def. Anderson, 78-58
#32	27	MIT	12-4	LOST at #6 WPI, 59-65
#33	25	NYU	12-4	LOST at #13 Washington U., 59-68; LOST at Chicago, 58-77
#34	19	Virginia Wesleyan	12-4	def. Eastern Mennonite, 60-55; won at Roanoke, 89-82
#35	13	UW-La Crosse	12-6	LOST at T#40 UW-Stout, 55-63; LOST to UW-Eau Claire, 64-69
#36	10	Adrian	14-3	def. Alma, 74-73; def. Kalamazoo, 77-46
#37	9	Wesley	15-4	won at Salisbury, 70-64
#38	7	St. Norbert	12-3	won at Beloit, 66-56; def. Cornell, 80-63
#39	5	Carroll	11-4	LOST to Lake Forest, 53-74
T#40	3	Concordia (Texas)	13-4	LOST at Schreiner, 91-103; won at Texas Lutheran, 97-91
T#40	3	UW-Stout	13-4	def. #35 UW-La Crosse, 63-55; LOST at #15 UW-Whitewater, 55-58
#42	2	Scranton	12-5	LOST to Drew, 69-72; LOST at #11 Catholic, 48-58
T#43	1	Wittenberg	12-5	won at Wabash, 50-45; LOST to Hiram, 57-62
T#43	1	Capital	11-6	LOST to Marietta, 68-69; LOST at Baldwin-Wallace, 67-79

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Marietta	13-4	won at T#43 Capital, 69-68; def. Wilmington, 98-87
---	---	Cabrini	11-5	won at Gwynedd-Mercy, 93-80; LOST at Keystone, 87-102

[Greek Tragedy]

Great work, like usual, Darryl!

[madzillagd]

Another team I'll throw out for the watch list is 12-4 Luther.  Playing tonight on the road against 12-4 Dubuque, if they win that one I think they should get a good look by the pollsters.  Saw them play in person against Williams.  Very balanced team with one of the best big men in the country in Tyler Wedemier.  Four losses but they've come against 16-1 Williams in OT at a neutral site, @ 19-3 DII Mounty Mercy, @ 13-4 UW-Stout, @ 12-6 UW-Lacrosse.  Really not a 'bad' loss in the bunch.  Between Luther and Stevens, the team Williams actually lost too, I would say Luther is the better team in my opinion. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Down goes Magnus!

[Ralph Turner]

Down goes Magnus!

A "nice" loss.  To the #3 team in the conference. On the road.

Takes the "top 25" pressure off the team.  Allows them to re-focus on "taking care of business" in the conference.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Guh... to lose before the poll is even released is gut-wrenching. At least teams playing at night are after the poll's release! Sheesh.

[Ralph Turner]

Guh... to lose before the poll is even released is gut-wrenching. At least teams playing at night are after the poll's release! Sheesh.

Is there such a thing as the "Hoopsville" jinx?  Didn't we have this discussion a few years ago?

[ziggy]

Down goes Magnus!

A "nice" loss.  To the #3 team in the conference. On the road.

Takes the "top 25" pressure off the team.  Allows them to re-focus on "taking care of business" in the conference.

Is there some sarcasm there? I hope so...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Down goes Magnus!

A "nice" loss.  To the #3 team in the conference. On the road.

Takes the "top 25" pressure off the team.  Allows them to re-focus on "taking care of business" in the conference.

I think they likely lost to the best team in the conference.  But yes, now they can focus on winning the conference and not worry about ranking.