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howardjp

After this coming weekend, Rochester will have 2 home games
left and will play 5 good UAA teams on the road

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We definitely will see some movement in the Top 10 this week with some great matchups.

#1 St Thomas: already lost as we know, expect a drop but not too far. 
#2 Rochester: 1/25 NYU team on the bubble, 1/27 #19 Brandeis
#3 Midd: 1/26 @ #9 Williams
#5 North Central: 1/23 @ #16 Ill Wesleyan, 1/26 @ #25 Wheaton
#7 UWSP: 1/23 #13 UW-Whitewater   
#9 Williams: 1/23 @ #14 Amherst, 1/26 #3 Middlebury
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KnightSlappy

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Offensive and defensive efficiency numbers (points per 100 possessions) for the current members of the Top-25:

Pace   OEff   DEff  Margin Team
67.1   126.0   91.4   34.5   St. Thomas
66.8   122.1   94.8   27.2   Rochester
71.5   116.0   89.5   26.6   Williams
68.3   109.4   83.9   25.5   Calvin
64.1   113.4   89.1   24.3   Catholic
79.1   110.2   86.8   23.3   Hampden-Sydney
69.8   115.1   93.0   22.2   Middlebury
70.0   106.3   84.8   21.6   WPI
71.9   117.1   95.8   21.3   Amherst
64.9   106.9   86.0   21.0   North Central (Ill.)
66.6   109.1   88.7   20.4   Wheaton (Ill.)
66.9   113.7   95.1   18.6   Whitworth
68.5   109.1   90.6   18.5   Wooster
73.1   105.9   88.0   17.9   Ramapo
63.4   114.0   96.4   17.6   UW-Stevens Point
67.0   107.2   90.9   16.3   Brandeis
68.1   109.8   93.5   16.2   Washington U.
68.2   110.8   95.0   15.8   Ohio Wesleyan
66.5   104.5   89.2   15.4   St. Marys (Md.)
72.1   105.2   89.9   15.3   Christopher Newport
69.9   103.4   88.1   15.3   Stevens
67.0   107.7   92.9   14.8   Illinois Wesleyan
64.7   110.3   96.7   13.5   UW-Whitewater
69.0    92.5   79.6   13.0   Rhode Island College
78.8   109.1   100.4   8.7   Albertus Magnus

Margin is OEff minus DEff (or points better than your opponents per 100 possessions). Pace is possessions per game. Numbers are not adjusted for strength of opponent. I think, generally speaking, an average team would have a 100 OEff and DEff.

Mr. Ypsi

For Albertus, did you exclude the Yale game?  That could seriously skew their results.

KnightSlappy

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2013, 04:15:09 PM
For Albertus, did you exclude the Yale game?  That could seriously skew their results.

What skews their results more: one game versus Yale or all the other games against terrible teams? Even with the Yale game, Massey rates their schedule as the 364th most difficult in Division III.

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 23, 2013, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2013, 04:15:09 PM
For Albertus, did you exclude the Yale game?  That could seriously skew their results.

What skews their results more: one game versus Yale or all the other games against terrible teams? Even with the Yale game, Massey rates their schedule as the 364th most difficult in Division III.

Good point.  But several of the other teams also have lots of games against terrible teams; so far as I know, only Albertus has a game against a d1 (albeit a subpar one).

Probably a moot point anyway - after the loss to Anna Maria, they will probably not sniff the Top 25 again this season. ;)

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Not helping Albertus Magnus' cause by saying Yale is sub-par considering the point spread was nearly 60 :)
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Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2013, 04:56:15 PM
Not helping Albertus Magnus' cause by saying Yale is sub-par considering the point spread was nearly 60 :)

Right. Massey says Yale and St. Thomas are virtually equal on a neutral court: http://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=193573&t0=6926&h=0&s1=193573&t1=9177, Yale by 3 at home.

sac

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2013, 04:15:09 PM
For Albertus, did you exclude the Yale game?  That could seriously skew their results.

At this point of the season, large margins should only move the needle about 2 points in either direction for both offense and defense.

Typically I have removed D1 results.  Albertus was #46 of my 50, removing the Yale game would only get them to #38

Mr. Ypsi

OMG - people will think I'm an Albertus supporter! ::)

Just thought they should get a little more respect for being undefeated against d3 opponents until late January - regardless of opponents.  Don't worry - they are off my PP ballot until they start a season 27-0 (maybe 26-1 IF their d1 opponent is Duke, Kansas, or Michigan! ;))

Mr. Ypsi

Williams falls to Amherst: 83-67.

Greek Tragedy

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2013, 05:39:27 PM
OMG - people will think I'm an Albertus supporter! ::)

Just thought they should get a little more respect for being undefeated against d3 opponents until late January - regardless of opponents.  Don't worry - they are off my PP ballot until they start a season 27-0 (maybe 26-1 IF their d1 opponent is Duke, Kansas, or Michigan! ;))

Reminds me of Grinnell several years ago.  They started undefeated and never got any love.  They finally broke into the poll and they rewarded their voters with a loss!
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How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#1619St. Thomas17-1LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 52-54; def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 87-46; 01/26 vs. Hamline
#2585Rochester16-001/25 vs. New York University; 01/27 vs. #19 Brandeis
#3583Middlebury16-0won at St. Joseph's (Vt.), 75-46; 01/26 at #9 Williams
#4534Whitworth16-101/25 at Puget Sound; 01/26 at Pacific Lutheran
#5519North Central (Ill.)16-2LOST at #16 Illinois Wesleyan, 61-69; 01/26 at #25 Wheaton (Ill.)
#6506WPI19-0def. T#38 Springfield, 69-66
#7483UW-Stevens Point17-2def. #13 UW-Whitewater, 67-57; 01/26 vs. UW-Superior
#8430Wooster15-2def. Kenyon, 86-52; 01/26 vs. Hiram
#9393Williams16-2LOST at #14 Amherst, 67-83; 01/26 vs. #3 Middlebury
#10358Catholic16-2def. Goucher, 72-46; 01/26 at Merchant Marine
#11351Ramapo17-2won at Kean, 70-55; 01/26 at TCNJ
#12317St. Mary's (Md.)17-2won at Gallaudet, 63-47; 01/26 at York (Pa.)
#13303UW-Whitewater14-4LOST at #7 UW-Stevens Point, 57-67; 01/26 at UW-Eau Claire
#14278Amherst16-2def. #9 Williams, 83-67; 01/26 vs. Trinity (Conn.)
#15236Christopher Newport14-2def. Averett, 76-52; 01/26 vs. Methodist
#16226Illinois Wesleyan15-3def. #5 North Central (Ill.), 69-61; 01/26 at Elmhurst
#17207Calvin16-2won at Olivet, 73-57; 01/26 at #32 Adrian
#18197Albertus Magnus15-2LOST at Anna Maria, 88-97; 01/24 at Lasell; 01/26 vs. Norwich
#19127Brandeis14-201/25 at T#38 Emory; 01/27 at #2 Rochester
#20123Stevens14-2LOST at Hartwick, 56-63; 01/25 at Ithaca; 01/26 at Elmira
#21119Rhode Island College15-2def. Western Connecticut, 56-51; 01/26 at Eastern Connecticut
#22115Ohio Wesleyan14-3won at Wabash, 77-53; 01/26 at DePauw
#23106Hampden-Sydney16-2won at T#33 Randolph, 79-63; 01/26 vs. #30 Guilford
#24102Washington U.12-401/25 at Carnegie Mellon; 01/27 at Case Western Reserve
#2551Wheaton (Ill.)14-4def. Elmhurst, 77-52; 01/26 vs. #5 North Central (Ill.)


Others receiving votes
Rank   Pts   TeamW-L   Results
#2648Franklin and Marshall14-4LOST at Dickinson, 63-71; 01/26 at Haverford
#2747Rose-Hulman15-201/24 vs. Manchester; 01/26 vs. Mount St. Joseph
#2832Virginia Wesleyan13-4def. Shenandoah, 84-51; 01/26 at Washington and Lee
#2925Transylvania14-4def. Franklin, 87-68; 01/26 at Defiance
#3024Guilford14-4LOST to Lynchburg, 66-86; 01/26 at #23 Hampden-Sydney
#3122Wesley15-401/26 at Marymount
#3215Adrian15-3won at Albion, 63-49; 01/26 vs. #17 Calvin
T#3312Augustana14-4won at Millikin, 63-54; 01/26 at North Park
T#3312Randolph15-3won at William Peace, 80-63; LOST to #23 Hampden-Sydney, 63-79; 01/26 at Shenandoah
#358St. Norbert13-3won at Lake Forest, 64-48; 01/26 at Knox
#366Marietta13-5LOST at Otterbein, 62-72; 01/26 at Ohio Northern
#374MIT13-4won at Clark, 55-50; 01/26 at Coast Guard
T#381Emory11-401/25 vs. #19 Brandeis; 01/27 vs. New York University
T#381Springfield14-5LOST at #6 WPI, 66-69; 01/26 vs. Babson

goscots

Wooster actually "won" two games yesterday as it was announced that their Jan 4 games against  Sheridan (Canada) is now official instead of an exhibition. Wooster is now 16-2.

pjunito

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 23, 2013, 04:39:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 23, 2013, 04:15:09 PM
For Albertus, did you exclude the Yale game?  That could seriously skew their results.

What skews their results more: one game versus Yale or all the other games against terrible teams? Even with the Yale game, Massey rates their schedule as the 364th most difficult in Division III.

It is tough for a team like Albertus; none of the top teams in the region want to play them (It's a lose, lose for them). Albertus have been trying to schedule tougher out of conference games for 3 years now and everyone says no. Makes it hard to move up on SOS when the conference they play in is so weak.

I'm not saying they are a top 25 team (in my opinion, they are probably 35-40 team), but it is unfair to kill their SOS when other schools repeatly say no. Becker won't play them anymore after two consecutive loses to Albertus.

Ralph Turner

Thanks, pjunito. We feel your pain. :)