Top 25 talk

[mailsy]

Yes... one more Top 25 this Monday before the tournaments... and then one after.

And actually there is one more regional ranking done on Sunday... we just don't get to see it.

I still believe they should post that last regional ranking, even if it is at the end of the season!

[John Gleich]

Yes... one more Top 25 this Monday before the tournaments... and then one after.

And actually there is one more regional ranking done on Sunday... we just don't get to see it.

I still believe they should post that last regional ranking, even if it is at the end of the season!

Everybody wishes they would. But they won't. They've been pressed on it, many times, by Pat and Dave, and they won't budge because other sports don't want to have to release their info (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's what the answer has been, right Dave?)

[smedindy]

Tell them to suck it up! What do they have to hide?

[Pat Coleman]

Yes, this is a decision forced on the sport's championship committee.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes... to expand on it... the men's committee has stated a number of times to us in conversations and in interviews that they have been wanting to release the final rankings. They even stated that to the Championships Committee in an effort to get them approved... to no avail. Other sports don't want the final regional rankings released for apparently the reason they don't want their decisions second guessed. I would argue - and have argued - that not releasing the final regional rankings actually sets up more second guessing than by releasing them.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

The final report ....

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	624	St. Thomas	26-1	def. Carleton, 70-57; def. T#38 Augsburg, 92-65
#2	596	Amherst	25-2	def. Tufts, 80-64; def. #7 Williams, 74-73
#3	560	Illinois Wesleyan	21-5	LOST at #5 North Central (Ill.), 83-87; LOST to Augustana, 47-53
#4	540	Middlebury	22-3	LOST at #7 Williams, 80-87
#5	510	North Central (Ill.)	24-3	def. #3 Illinois Wesleyan, 87-83; def. #20 Wheaton (Ill.), 59-50; def. Augustana, 70-63
#6	430	WPI	25-2	def. Babson, 66-64; def. T#42 Springfield, 79-72
#7	428	Williams	23-4	def. #4 Middlebury, 87-80; LOST at #2 Amherst, 73-74
#8	408	Whitworth	24-3	def. Lewis and Clark, 74-69; def. Whitman, 93-72
#9	398	UW-Whitewater	23-4	def. T#32 UW-Stout, 64-59; def. UW-Platteville, 66-55
#10	388	UW-Stevens Point	21-5	LOST to UW-Platteville, 56-60
#11	385	Catholic	24-3	def. Merchant Marine, 65-57; def. Juniata, 63-62
#12	360	Hampden-Sydney	23-4	def. Roanoke, 72-49; LOST to Randolph-Macon, 59-64
#13	339	Rochester	21-4	LOST at T#36 Emory, 54-72
#14	296	St. Mary's (Md.)	24-3	def. Mary Washington, 89-81; def. T#42 Wesley, 79-78
#15	269	Calvin	24-3	def. Adrian, 71-44; def. Hope, 77-57
#16	265	Rhode Island College	25-3	def. Mass-Dartmouth, 62-58; def. Southern Maine, 61-47; def. Keene State, 60-53
#17	261	Wooster	23-5	def. Oberlin, 74-47; def. Wittenberg, 78-66; LOST to #24 Ohio Wesleyan, 66-76
#18	199	Ramapo	23-4	def. William Paterson, 83-58; def. Rutgers-Newark, 67-65
#19	172	MIT	20-5	LOST to T#42 Springfield, 60-68
#20	171	Wheaton (Ill.)	20-6	won at Elmhurst, 70-55; LOST at #5 North Central (Ill.), 50-59
#21	145	Virginia Wesleyan	21-7	def. Eastern Mennonite, 83-65; def. Randolph, 78-68; LOST to Randolph-Macon, 64-75
#22	84	Washington U.	20-5	def. Chicago, 72-54
#23	79	Rose-Hulman	24-3	def. Defiance, 81-59; def. Hanover, 64-59
#24	44	Ohio Wesleyan	22-5	def. Denison, 77-56; def. Kenyon, 77-64; won at #17 Wooster, 76-66
#25	31	Cortland State	23-4	def. Oswego State, 65-54; def. Plattsburgh State, 75-61

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	26	Alvernia	23-4	def. Arcadia, 69-66; def. Lycoming, 78-68
#27	21	Stevens	22-5	def. Utica, 102-66; LOST to Ithaca, 55-70
#28	16	Christopher Newport	21-5	def. Averett, 74-58; def. North Carolina Wesleyan, 72-59; def. Greensboro, 81-74
#29	13	Cabrini	22-5	def. Neumann, 90-77; def. Keystone, 90-74
#30	9	Mary Hardin-Baylor	23-5	def. LeTourneau, 61-54; def. Hardin-Simmons, 76-67; LOST to Concordia (Texas), 76-80
#31	8	Transylvania	20-7	def. Mount St. Joseph, 75-57; LOST at Hanover, 82-87
T#32	6	St. Norbert	20-5	def. Ripon, 75-65; def. T#36 Carroll, 92-68
T#32	6	UW-Stout	20-7	def. UW-Superior, 78-64; LOST at #9 UW-Whitewater, 59-64
T#34	5	Albertus Magnus	24-4	def. Rivier, 84-65; def. Johnson and Wales, 104-77; won at Anna Maria, 87-80
T#34	5	Capital	19-7	LOST to Mount Union, 59-63
T#36	4	Emory	19-6	def. Covenant, 75-50; def. #13 Rochester, 72-54
T#36	4	Carroll	18-7	won at Grinnell, 92-89; LOST at T#32 St. Norbert, 68-92
T#38	3	Augsburg	21-7	def. St. John's, 74-67; won at Concordia-Moorhead, 74-67; LOST at #1 St. Thomas, 65-92
T#38	3	Thomas More	23-5	def. Geneva, 82-60; def. Thiel, 86-80; LOST at St. Vincent, 67-81
T#38	3	DeSales	21-6	def. FDU-Florham, 59-57; LOST to Delaware Valley, 72-77
T#38	3	Baldwin Wallace	19-6	IDLE
T#42	2	Springfield	19-8	won at #19 MIT, 68-60; LOST at #6 WPI, 72-79
T#42	2	Wesley	20-7	def. Salisbury, 73-66; LOST at #14 St. Mary's (Md.), 78-79
T#42	2	Westfield State	21-5	LOST to Fitchburg State, 61-68
T#45	1	Hobart	21-6	def. Skidmore, 77-72; def. RPI, 72-63
T#45	1	Franklin and Marshall	20-7	def. Muhlenberg, 48-46; LOST to Dickinson, 40-64

[mailsy]

New men's top 25 out. A lot of movement. But nobody dropped out. 

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2012-13/week13

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well knock me over with a feather - my PP ballot (made out yesterday early evening) matches the official poll exactly thru the top 6, and, while rarely if ever an exact match after that, has the same 25 teams.

Congratulations official voters - you're getting closer and closer to The Truth^TM!

[Ralph Turner]

Well knock me over with a feather - my PP ballot (made out yesterday early evening) matches the official poll exactly thru the top 6, and, while rarely if ever an exact match after that, has the same 25 teams.

Congratulations official voters - you're getting closer and closer to The Truth^TM!

There were only 51 points voted on the Receiving Votes #28 onward.

That is an incredible degree of consensus.

[northb]

Well knock me over with a feather - my PP ballot (made out yesterday early evening) matches the official poll exactly thru the top 6, and, while rarely if ever an exact match after that, has the same 25 teams.

Congratulations official voters - you're getting closer and closer to The Truth^TM!

Oh, not This^TM again!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well knock me over with a feather - my PP ballot (made out yesterday early evening) matches the official poll exactly thru the top 6, and, while rarely if ever an exact match after that, has the same 25 teams.

Congratulations official voters - you're getting closer and closer to The Truth^TM!

Oh, not This^TM again!

You got something against ^TM?!  What are you, a Chinese industrialist?!

[northb]

Well knock me over with a feather - my PP ballot (made out yesterday early evening) matches the official poll exactly thru the top 6, and, while rarely if ever an exact match after that, has the same 25 teams.

Congratulations official voters - you're getting closer and closer to The Truth^TM!

Oh, not This^TM again!

You got something against ^TM?!  What are you, a Chinese industrialist?!

I heard somewhere the The Belt^TM has a TM^TM.  Do you want to incur the wrath of The Belt^TMTM?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Hey, when was the last time all of the d3hoops Top 25 made the tournament?  I looked at the final poll, only three teams (Baldwin Wallace, Stout, and Plateville) got votes and missed out on the dance.

Not too shabby.

[madzillagd]

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/preseason

Time to bring this thread out of hibernation.

Five teams received #1 votes:
Amherst (13)
Illinois Wesleyan (9)
Williams (1)
UW-Stevens Point (1)
Wheaton (1)

A little bit surprised to see someone throw a #1 to Wheaton after finishing 24th in the Final Poll of last year.  I realize they are bringing all their top folks back, but they still lack in size overall.  Seems a bit of a reach to jump over 23 other teams for a #1 spot. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

A little bit surprised to see someone throw a #1 to Wheaton after finishing 24th in the Final Poll of last year.  I realize they are bringing all their top folks back, but they still lack in size overall.  Seems a bit of a reach to jump over 23 other teams for a #1 spot.

Just because they were 24th overall doesn't mean that voter didn't have them ranked higher.