Top 25 talk

[sac]

There's really no appropriate board for this (apart from the HCAC board, where it is already posted), but tonight's Manchester/Butler game will be telecast on Fox Sports 1, the new Fox competitor to ESPN, at 8pm. I presume that those who are national fans of D3, most of whom probably read this board, would like to know. Telecast begins at 8 Eastern.

That didn't go well.

[Greek Tragedy]

NEW POLL-WTIH WIAC FLAVOR (posted on WIAC board...)

NEW POLL is out.

As expected by most, Point jumps to #1, going from 598 points and 6 first place votes to 611 and 16.

Wooster goes to #2, going from 565 and no first place votes to 602 and 8.  Wooster gained 24 points on Point.

Whitewater drops 84 points and goes from 4th to 8th.

With the win over Whitewater, Stout jumps from ORV to 19th and gains 131 points.

Despite winning twice last week, Platteville goes from 9 votes (after dropping out of the Top 25-was #20 in Week 1 with 106 points) to zero votes.

Former #1 Amherst drops from 1st to 7th and loses 147 points.

[amh63]

For the long time posters here, your thoughts on the move up of St. Mary of MD, with a gain in points  AFTER loosing a day earlier to an unranked team.  I had watched St. Mary play live in the Stevenson Hoopsville Tourny and wondered about their rankings afterwards. 

[John Gleich]

For the long time posters here, your thoughts on the move up of St. Mary of MD, with a gain in points  AFTER loosing a day earlier to an unranked team.  I had watched St. Mary play live in the Stevenson Hoopsville Tourny and wondered about their rankings afterwards.

That loss is during "next week."

The poll is for games through 12/8. They moved up last week... but after their loss Monday, they'll most likely lose points next week.

Technically, I think their record on the Top 25 should read 5-1, not 5-2 (since the second loss came after the Sunday deadline).

[smedindy]

Loosing a day earlier? Well, you'd better tighten things up! 

[David Collinge]

Loosing a day earlier? Well, you'd better tighten things up! 

Good luck with that one, Mr. Quixote.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Number 1 making a statement tonight.  Point 42 - Whitewater 22 at the half.

[Gregory Sager]

Loosing a day earlier? Well, you'd better tighten things up! 

Good luck with that one, Mr. Quixote.

He's an Amherst guy. He's fair game for having his spelling corrected.

[Greek Tragedy]

Number 1 making a statement tonight.  Point 42 - Whitewater 22 at the half.

Weird game. Whitewater opens 2nd half with 10-0 run. Point builds it back up and then Whitewater is sorta back in it (8-12 points back). Point had about a 15-point lead with less than 3 minutes to go and then all of a sudden, with about a minute to go, it's 8 points. Turnovers and missed FTs hurt Point. Margin should've been bigger, but give Whitewater credit for not giving up...

After Stout surprised Whitewater over the weekend, they go over to River Falls and drop one there.  The Falcons were winless in conference going into the game against the Blue Devils.

[magicman]

After Stout surprised Whitewater over the weekend, they go over to River Falls and drop one there.  The Falcons were winless in conference going into the game against the Blue Devils.

Stout was 11x16 from the line. River Falls was 26-36. Stout lost by 6.  20 more free throw attempts?  Looks like a little home cooking to me.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	611	UW-Stevens Point	6-0	def. #8 UW-Whitewater, 79-67; 12/14 at St. John's
#2	602	Wooster	6-0	12/14 at Wabash
#3	558	Illinois Wesleyan	5-1	12/14 at Chicago
#4	537	Cabrini	8-0	IDLE
#5	511	Williams	7-1	IDLE
#6	481	Virginia Wesleyan	7-0	12/15 vs. #27 Christopher Newport
#7	466	Amherst	6-1	won at Brandeis, 75-70; 12/12 at T#33 Babson
#8	462	UW-Whitewater	5-2	LOST at #1 UW-Stevens Point, 67-79
#9	396	St. Mary's (Md.)	5-2	LOST to DeSales, 70-80; 12/14 at Mary Washington
#10	358	Washington U.	5-2	12/14 vs. Coe
#11	322	WPI	8-1	won at Colby-Sawyer, 85-66; 12/14 vs. Keene State
#12	307	St. Thomas	5-1	won at Macalester, 78-55; def. Hamline, 75-52; 12/14 vs. Bethany Lutheran
#13	280	Wittenberg	6-1	12/14 at Denison
#14	247	Calvin	6-2	12/14 vs. Finlandia
#15	214	Augustana	6-1	def. Central, 79-57; 12/14 vs. MacMurray
#16	212	St. Norbert	4-1	12/14 at Cornell
#17	176	Marietta	6-1	12/14 at Heidelberg
#18	163	Middlebury	6-2	IDLE
#19	151	UW-Stout	7-2	LOST at UW-River Falls, 64-70
#20	134	Mary Hardin-Baylor	3-2	12/14 at Concordia (Texas)
#21	131	Wesley	6-1	IDLE
#22	120	Wheaton (Ill.)	5-3	12/14 vs. Alma
#23	110	Guilford	7-0	12/14 vs. Methodist
#24	90	SUNY-Purchase	7-0	IDLE
#25	68	Colorado College	5-1	LOST at Northern Colo., 57-96

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	57	Eastern Connecticut	7-1	IDLE
#27	53	Christopher Newport	6-1	12/15 at #6 Virginia Wesleyan
#28	35	Emory	6-3	LOST at Oglethorpe, 86-97
#29	28	DePauw	5-3	LOST to Rose-Hulman, 61-64
#30	26	Catholic	4-2	12/15 at Randolph-Macon
#31	21	Whitworth	4-2	IDLE
#32	19	Southern Vermont	6-1	12/12 at Union
T#33	18	Texas-Dallas	5-1	LOST at Trinity (Texas), 58-63
T#33	18	Babson	7-1	12/12 vs. #7 Amherst
#35	17	Albertus Magnus	7-0	IDLE
#36	15	Brockport State	4-1	IDLE
#37	14	Augsburg	4-3	LOST at Gustavus Adolphus, 54-74; LOST at Concordia-Moorhead, 57-68
#38	11	Scranton	5-1	12/14 vs. Merchant Marine
T#39	10	Stevenson	6-1	IDLE
T#39	10	Baldwin Wallace	5-1	12/14 vs. Wilmington
T#41	9	North Central (Ill.)	4-2	won at Wilberforce, 78-59; 12/13 at Bridgewater (Va.); 12/14 at Eastern Mennonite
T#41	9	Springfield	6-2	won at Westfield State, 67-59; 12/13 vs. Worcester State
T#41	9	Dickinson	6-1	IDLE
#44	8	John Carroll	5-1	12/14 at Capital
#45	7	Hampden-Sydney	5-3	def. Randolph, 60-56
T#46	5	Defiance	6-0	12/14 vs. Transylvania
T#46	5	New York U.	6-1	LOST at Stevens, 65-68
T#46	5	Bowdoin	8-0	won at Maine Maritime, 92-44; 12/13 vs. Maine-Farmington
T#49	3	Dubuque	6-0	12/13 vs. North Central (Minn.)
T#49	3	Alvernia	5-2	IDLE
#51	2	Ohio Wesleyan	6-2	won at Anderson, 70-59; 12/14 at Hiram
#52	1	Centre	5-2	IDLE

[amh63]

John G. ......Thanks for the response to my inquiry.  I thought about the "voting schedule" factor but the 5-2 record was the reason for my post here.  Normally, I do not worry about the rankings at this time of the season.  In the NESCAC, our teams start practice later than many conferences and our up front schedule of non conference games are primarily used....at least for the Amherst coach, to build/blend this season's team.....in time for the conference games starting in January '14.

[KnightSlappy]

Maybe St Mary's will fall to 11 after the losses this week.

[Ralph Turner]

John G. ......Thanks for the response to my inquiry.  I thought about the "voting schedule" factor but the 5-2 record was the reason for my post here.  Normally, I do not worry about the rankings at this time of the season.  In the NESCAC, our teams start practice later than many conferences and our up front schedule of non conference games are primarily used....at least for the Amherst coach, to build/blend this season's team.....in time for the conference games starting in January '14.

Thanks for the comment. When does the NESCAC permit the start of practice?

[madzillagd]

NESCAC doesn't start practice until 11/1