Top 25 talk

[magicman]

I think the voters should show Richard Stockton and Brockport State some top 25 love in the next poll. With all these teams with 2, 3 and even 4 losses in the Top 25, (and I realize that many of them have just recently picked up some of those losses due to the long pause since the last poll) I think it's time for some fresh blood.

Richard Stockton, now 10-1, has only a 2 point loss at conference rival William Paterson that's keeping them off the undefeated list.

Likewise, Brockport State's only blemish on their record, is a double overtime loss on the road at #21 SUNY-Purchase. The Golden Eagles had the lead late in regulation when Purchase hit a free throw with seconds left to send it to the extra sessions. If Brockport had won that game I believe they would be ranked in place of Purchase. Earlier there was an article on the front page referring to the Golden Eagles as Road Warriors since all 7 of their games have been in the visitors gym or on a neutral court. Their 1st home game of the season isn't until Jan. 14th. 

The Massey Ratings have had Stockton and Brockport in his top 25 for several weeks  and in his updated rankings today Stockton checks in at #8 and Brockport is right behind at #9. Massey also shows Stockton with a Strength of Schedule ranking of #29 and Brockport at #67. There are at least 15 teams in the D3 hoops Top 25 that have a SOS below these 2 teams. Some examples in the current Top 25 are, #20 Wesley #104, #16 Calvin #169, #14 St. Norberts #182, #8 WPI #363, #6 Amherst #138, #5 Williams #227.

It's time for both these schools to get some Top 25 recognition and move into the 20-25 range. Hope the voters see things as I do. 

       

[mailsy]

I think the voters should show Richard Stockton and Brockport State some top 25 love in the next poll. With all these teams with 2, 3 and even 4 losses in the Top 25, (and I realize that many of them have just recently picked up some of those losses due to the long pause since the last poll) I think it's time for some fresh blood.

Richard Stockton, now 10-1, has only a 2 point loss at conference rival William Paterson that's keeping them off the undefeated list.

Likewise, Brockport State's only blemish on their record, is a double overtime loss on the road at #21 SUNY-Purchase. The Golden Eagles had the lead late in regulation when Purchase hit a free throw with seconds left to send it to the extra sessions. If Brockport had won that game I believe they would be ranked in place of Purchase. Earlier there was an article on the front page referring to the Golden Eagles as Road Warriors since all 7 of their games have been in the visitors gym or on a neutral court. Their 1st home game of the season isn't until Jan. 14th. 

The Massey Ratings have had Stockton and Brockport in his top 25 for several weeks  and in his updated rankings today Stockton checks in at #8 and Brockport is right behind at #9. Massey also shows Stockton with a Strength of Schedule ranking of #29 and Brockport at #67. There are at least 15 teams in the D3 hoops Top 25 that have a SOS below these 2 teams. Some examples in the current Top 25 are, #20 Wesley #104, #16 Calvin #169, #14 St. Norberts #182, #8 WPI #363, #6 Amherst #138, #5 Williams #227.

It's time for both these schools to get some Top 25 recognition and move into the 20-25 range. Hope the voters see things as I do. 

       

Well you got half your wish. Stockton is ranked 23rd in the latest poll but still not enough love for Brockport State to get into the top 25.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week5

[magicman]

I think the voters should show Richard Stockton and Brockport State some top 25 love in the next poll. With all these teams with 2, 3 and even 4 losses in the Top 25, (and I realize that many of them have just recently picked up some of those losses due to the long pause since the last poll) I think it's time for some fresh blood.

Richard Stockton, now 10-1, has only a 2 point loss at conference rival William Paterson that's keeping them off the undefeated list.

Likewise, Brockport State's only blemish on their record, is a double overtime loss on the road at #21 SUNY-Purchase. The Golden Eagles had the lead late in regulation when Purchase hit a free throw with seconds left to send it to the extra sessions. If Brockport had won that game I believe they would be ranked in place of Purchase. Earlier there was an article on the front page referring to the Golden Eagles as Road Warriors since all 7 of their games have been in the visitors gym or on a neutral court. Their 1st home game of the season isn't until Jan. 14th. 

The Massey Ratings have had Stockton and Brockport in his top 25 for several weeks  and in his updated rankings today Stockton checks in at #8 and Brockport is right behind at #9. Massey also shows Stockton with a Strength of Schedule ranking of #29 and Brockport at #67. There are at least 15 teams in the D3 hoops Top 25 that have a SOS below these 2 teams. Some examples in the current Top 25 are, #20 Wesley #104, #16 Calvin #169, #14 St. Norberts #182, #8 WPI #363, #6 Amherst #138, #5 Williams #227.

It's time for both these schools to get some Top 25 recognition and move into the 20-25 range. Hope the voters see things as I do. 

       

Well you got half your wish. Stockton is ranked 23rd in the latest poll but still not enough love for Brockport State to get into the top 25.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2013-14/week5

mailsy,

To paraphrase MeatLoaf: "1 out of 2 ain't bad".

[nescac1]

Albertus Magnus (which just missed the top 25) is a team that bears close watching.  They typically post gaudy records vs. weak competition, and this year is no exception, winning all games v. D3 by double-digits.  But, they caught my attention with a narrow three point loss to D-1 Central Connecticut.  They are again led by Darius Watson, one of the top players in New England, but he has been joined by two JC transfers who are both posting impressive stats: 6'8 center and pronunciation nightmare Victor Ljuljdjuraj, who is averaging 15.4-9.2 and 4.2 blocks in less than 26 mpg and who had his best game vs. Central Conn, and PG Eian Davis, who is averaging 14.4-4.4-8.8 plus 2.2 steals.  That on paper seems like a very impressive three-man core.  They have good size across the board, with a starting group that goes 6'1, 6'2, 6'4, 6'5, 6'8, and a 6'6 sixth man (who is also a JC transfer).  They play no one of consequence going forward and will likely enter the tourney with no more than 3, and probably fewer, losses, while being a major unknown due to the lack of quality competition and the reliance on transfers. 

[gordonmann]

The other night I was monitoring all the scores on here and Carthage was playing Augustana, and something must have went haywire, because it was showing Carthage blowing out Augustana by like 30 points, and even had a final score showing Cathage won the game. I even checked the school paqes and it showed that.  The next morning when I got up, the score was totaly different and Augustana had won the game by a lot.

I noticed the same thing.  Someone accidentally posted the women's score to the men's page.  Carthage women beat Augustana by something like 30 points.

[madzillagd]

Dave posted his rankings and his thoughts on his latest poll.  Here's the link for those of you that didn't see it...  http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2014/01/07/daves-top-25-ballot-week-5/

You mentioned you were nervous about putting WPI up so high and you really should be.    I agree Williams didn't look great their first couple of games coming out the gate but a win at H-SC is solid and shouldn't be downplayed. Neither one of these teams is setting any milestones when it comes to SOS but of the two WPI has played no one (Massey SOS: Williams: 225, WPI 362).  WPI has only played 2 teams with winning records and at that those teams were 7-5 and 6-4.   The overall record of opponents: WPI 38-71, Williams 55-63.

Plus we have the luxury of some common opponents:
RPI - WPI won by 16, Williams won by 25.
Curry - WPI won by 22, Williams won by 31.
Salem St - WPI won by 12, Williams won by 26. 

I think the voters got it right to put Williams ahead of WPI at this point. 

[pjunito]

Albertus Magnus (which just missed the top 25) is a team that bears close watching.  They typically post gaudy records vs. weak competition, and this year is no exception, winning all games v. D3 by double-digits.  But, they caught my attention with a narrow three point loss to D-1 Central Connecticut.  They are again led by Darius Watson, one of the top players in New England, but he has been joined by two JC transfers who are both posting impressive stats: 6'8 center and pronunciation nightmare Victor Ljuljdjuraj, who is averaging 15.4-9.2 and 4.2 blocks in less than 26 mpg and who had his best game vs. Central Conn, and PG Eian Davis, who is averaging 14.4-4.4-8.8 plus 2.2 steals.  That on paper seems like a very impressive three-man core.  They have good size across the board, with a starting group that goes 6'1, 6'2, 6'4, 6'5, 6'8, and a 6'6 sixth man (who is also a JC transfer).  They play no one of consequence going forward and will likely enter the tourney with no more than 3, and probably fewer, losses, while being a major unknown due to the lack of quality competition and the reliance on transfers.

Albertus does play SUNY Purchase (currently #18) on January 27 in New Haven. This will be a great measuring stick for Albertus. I agree with you NESCAC, this Albertus team is the best one under Mitch Oliver. The GNAC conference is a weak one, therefore Albertus won't get much respect. However, this team has good size, quickness and shoots the ball well (50% for field, averages 8 three's a game and makes 41% of those threes). Should be a fun conference season in New Haven.

[Pat Coleman]

The other night I was monitoring all the scores on here and Carthage was playing Augustana, and something must have went haywire, because it was showing Carthage blowing out Augustana by like 30 points, and even had a final score showing Cathage won the game. I even checked the school paqes and it showed that.  The next morning when I got up, the score was totaly different and Augustana had won the game by a lot.

I noticed the same thing.  Someone accidentally posted the women's score to the men's page.  Carthage women beat Augustana by something like 30 points.

Constantly reposting as well. I deleted that score three times over the course of the night before the school posting it finally noticed it was posting to the wrong team.

[wooscotsfan]

Final:  #2 Wooster 92  Kenyon 52

Convincing road win for Wooster as they bury Kenyon by 40 points.  Wooster was led by Doug Thorpe with 16 points.

[sac]

Interesting night

Augustana 81 Illinois Wesleyan 73

Stevens Point 61 Stout 60

Wittenberg 62  Ohio Wesleyan 60 OT

[ScotsFan]

Interesting night

Augustana 81 Illinois Wesleyan 73

Stevens Point 61 Stout 60

Wittenberg 62  Ohio Wesleyan 60 OT

Even more interesting was that Witt was down 45-23 with just over 16 minutes left in the game and held OWU to just 9 points the rest of the way to force OT at 54 all!    

[ronk]

 When do the 1st regional rankings come out?

[magicman]

When do the 1st regional rankings come out?

Usually the 1st part of February. Last year the 1st set was released on Wed. Feb. 6th, 2nd set on Feb.13th, 3rd set on Feb 20th, and the final set on Feb. 27th was the one we didn't get to see. The NCAA bids were announced on Feb. 28th I believe.

Last year the final day of the  conference tournaments was on Feb. 24th. This year the final day of the season is a week later. The last conference tournament won't be over until March 2nd. If the NCAA follows the same format they have in the past  of 3 published regional rankings and 1 hidden one, then I'm guessing this year it might be February 12th before we see the first set. Then one would follow on the 19th, the 26th, and the hidden one on March 5th. Of course they could give us an extra one this year and make the 1st one on Feb.5th, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.   

[Greek Tragedy]

Interesting night

Augustana 81 Illinois Wesleyan 73

Stevens Point 61 Stout 60

Wittenberg 62  Ohio Wesleyan 60 OT

Stout is a completely different animal at home. Games against Point are always entertaining and usually close. Stout did knock off Whitewater at home before heading to River Falls and taking one on the chin. River Falls had lost by 18 and 28 the previous two conference games. Go figure!

[John Gleich]

Interesting night

Augustana 81 Illinois Wesleyan 73

Stevens Point 61 Stout 60

Wittenberg 62  Ohio Wesleyan 60 OT

Stout is a completely different animal at home. Games against Point are always entertaining and usually close. Stout did knock off Whitewater at home before heading to River Falls and taking one on the chin. River Falls had lost by 18 and 28 the previous two conference games. Go figure!

Stout is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, wrapped in an enigma.