Top 25 talk

hplc2222 · January 13, 2014, 02:16:32 PM

Not so sure Brockport deserves a Top 25 this week,..... let us wait and see how many losses they have when they get to 11 wins. Their are 24 teams in the nation with at least 11 wins and no more than 2 losses. Only 15 of them were in the Top 25.

hplc2222 · January 13, 2014, 02:25:09 PM

I guess, but really dont know enough yet, to say if Brockport rolls off like 5 or 6 in a row from this point, they will be in the Top 25.
All these teams are battling to get inside the Top 25. Last weeks vote was the important vote , because of the 3 week layoff in voting, and now everyones into conference play fully.

I wouldnt be suprised if Richard Stockton dropped out, but I wouldnt be suprised if they stayed in. ATA 11-2, 6-0 OUT OF CONFERENCE, THE 2 LOOSES COMING BY A COMBINED 3 POINTS ALL ON THE ROAD,....

Give them another week to prove it.

People want Wheaton in there at 4 losses.

we will see.

smedindy · January 13, 2014, 02:42:43 PM

Vote in the posters poll - you'll have a say there and a debating platform

I voted for Brockport there.

Greek Tragedy · January 13, 2014, 02:56:57 PM

We always welcome new posters.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · January 13, 2014, 03:06:21 PM

hplc... the question Titan Q is asking you is also the head-to-head with IWU and Wash U... a game that IWU won. So if you have Augustana ahead of IWU for head-to-head reasons... shouldn't Wash U be behind IWU for the same reason?

hplc2222 · January 13, 2014, 03:23:16 PM

Washington did not lose this week,.. this poll is a week to week poll, is it not? They were 7 even after that loss, and did not lose this week, since Illinois Wesleyan lost a game , they drop, , not out of the Top 25, but behind everyone I had move up 1,....

magicman · January 13, 2014, 03:25:26 PM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 13, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
We always welcome new posters.

Greek,

What's this WE stuff?...You got worms?

We, in the posters poll, just got a message from you on yesterday evening that you were out.

Say it ain't so Greek? A poll with only 1 of our WIAC insiders instead of the usual 2 would seem out of sorts. Please reconsider. What's another couple of hours of lost sleep.

Titan Q · January 13, 2014, 03:46:16 PM

Quote from: hplc2222 on January 13, 2014, 03:23:16 PM
Washington did not lose this week,.. this poll is a week to week poll, is it not? They were 7 even after that loss, and did not lose this week, since Illinois Wesleyan lost a game , they drop, , not out of the Top 25, but behind everyone I had move up 1,....

I think you have to keep the objective of the poll in mind though. The poll is ultimately supposed to provide a snapshot of the best 25 teams, in order. It's not necessarily supposed to be about automatically moving teams up and down each week based on results within the week.

I think a ballot starts to look odd when you end up with your situation of Wash U over IWU. I think it's fair to say that any completely neutral fans who saw that game would agree that IWU is a better team than Wash U. (And to clarify, I don't think one head-to-head result should always dictate where teams are ranked relative to each other -- but that one was pretty convincing.)

Just some healthy discussion. I appreciate your passion and interest in the top 25 picture!

hplc2222 · January 13, 2014, 03:55:33 PM

good, so Stockton's loss by 1 point at Montclair, should not affect their standing in the Top 25, as overall, after all the 3 week layoff, the voters think they are one of the Top 25 teams in D3.

as far as welcoming new people posting,.. I have felt welcomed by Pat Coleman ever since I started 3 or 4 weeks ago.

IT REALLY DOESNT MATTER FOR THE TOP TEAMS, UNLESS SOMEONE CAN COME OUT AND SAY HOW THEY DETERMINE HOME COURTS IN THE FIRST 2 ROUNDS.

It is all about bubble teams, and teams / schools, that catch lightening in a bottle, and teams that arent in the mid west or great lakes region, from eastern areas, that have decent programs,...

don't get upset at me by nit picking is someones 4 or 6,...... etc,,,,,

its basically about the Top 62

hplc2222 · January 13, 2014, 04:59:51 PM

titan q - i dont HAVE to do anything but live and die, how dare you,... come on man,

I have been objection on my Top 25,.. i got 22 of 25 last week, and I hope to do the same this week

why do you feel the need to pick on me?

hplc2222 · January 13, 2014, 05:05:37 PM

Just cause I am not a lacky for the mid west and great lakes region, is no reason to come after me on here

I put UW Stevens Polint 1,.... what is your problem?

hplc2222 · January 13, 2014, 05:07:23 PM

you want to really say want i think and not what i know -- i will put St Thomas at 2

WUPHF · January 13, 2014, 05:11:36 PM

Quote from: Titan Q on January 13, 2014, 03:46:16 PMI think a ballot starts to look odd when you end up with your situation of Wash U over IWU. I think it's fair to say that any completely neutral fans who saw that game would agree that IWU is a better team than Wash U.

I think even the WUSTL partisans would agree that IWU is the better team. I know I do. As much as I hate to say it, IWU is probably a much better team at this point, though that last meeting was certainly not our best effort.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · January 13, 2014, 05:13:07 PM

hplc... a couple of notes:

- Titan Q is not picking on you... but when you put your ballot out there, many will look to ask you questions and even disagree with what you have put out there - I should know... I put my ballot out each week for all to see. I am ONE voter and it is more for people to see how a voter votes and thinks. Titan Q isn't picking on you as much as he is asking your thinking. He does have a point as well since the Top 25 has never been a week to week poll in determining who the top teams are just that week... but overall. So voters like myself do not ignore an IWU vs. Wash U game and while we take note of what happened to week to week we consider the overall picture as well (how each is weighted varies voter to voter and team to team).

- Remember, the Top 25 is NOT used by the NCAA to determine jack-squat. It is something used nationally as a gauge all season long and most importantly something to discuss... the NCAA has very different criteria that is far more restrictive when it comes to voting.

- With that last statement in mind... you write (without the caps): "It really doesn't matter for the top teams, unless someone can come out and say how they determine home courts in the first two rounds." The answer is they do say. How bubble teams and Pool B and Pool C teams are selected to the NCAA tournament; how teams are regionally ranked are the same factors at play for hosting. Also in play are geographical considerations (busing three teams to one location instead of flying one, two or three teams) and whether it is the men's right to host or the women's per each weekend are deciding factors. All of this is out there... it is not hidden... it is very well known.

Titan Q · January 13, 2014, 05:20:29 PM

Quote from: hplc2222 on January 13, 2014, 04:59:51 PM
titan q - i dont HAVE to do anything but live and die, how dare you,... come on man,

I have been objection on my Top 25,.. i got 22 of 25 last week, and I hope to do the same this week

why do you feel the need to pick on me?

Quote from: hplc2222 on January 13, 2014, 05:05:37 PM
Just cause I am not a lacky for the mid west and great lakes region, is no reason to come after me on here

I put UW Stevens Polint 1,.... what is your problem?

Are you being serious or joking around? Just making sure you don't really think I am "picking on you" or "coming after" you. If you think that, you have dramatically misinterpreted my conversation with you. I was just inquiring into your rankings and providing an opinion of my own in response.