Top 25 talk

[GnacBballFan]

Could see some new teams in top 25 for sure, Richard Stockton most likely not one of them

[hplc2222]

This coming week Richard Stockton plays Brrooklyn 4-11 on Monday, Kean 9-5 on Wednesday, and William Paterson 12-3 on Saturday

If they win all 3 of those games to get to 16-2, will they be in the Top 25 then?

[Mr. Ypsi]

This coming week Richard Stockton plays Brrooklyn 4-11 on Monday, Kean 9-5 on Wednesday, and William Paterson 12-3 on Saturday

If they win all 3 of those games to get to 16-2, will they be in the Top 25 then?

Probably, but such a question cannot be answered in isolation - depends on what other teams do.

[John Gleich]

This coming week Richard Stockton plays Brrooklyn 4-11 on Monday, Kean 9-5 on Wednesday, and William Paterson 12-3 on Saturday

If they win all 3 of those games to get to 16-2, will they be in the Top 25 then?

Probably, but such a question cannot be answered in isolation - depends on what other teams do.

This, right here, is the absolute key to everything here, hplc2222.

Richard Stockton isn't playing in a bubble. And it isn't just pure wins and losses that matters, it matters WHO the wins and losses are against.  And WHO the wins and losses of other teams being considered are against.

Wins against Ramapo, Brooklyn College, and Kean aren't ones that will drive RS up in the rankings, per say. None of them are banner wins. They are, however, questionable losses, should RS drop a game to them.

The game against William Patterson is more important for RS, it's the biggest game, by far, left on the schedule. But based on the schedule, RS really SHOULDN'T lose another game. They'll be favored in each one.

Then, it's up to them to make some noise if they get to the NCAA tournament, which no one from their conference has managed to do since RS's trip to Salem in '09, as has been noted here.

[wooscotsfan]

Final: #2 Wooster 69  #9 Wittenberg 62

Nice road win for the Wooster Scots in a big rivalry game with the Tigers.  Scott Purcell led Wooster with 14 points

[David Collinge]

It's been a rough couple of weeks for Wittenberg, albeit against (mostly) stiff competition. A week ago Wednesday, they fell behind Ohio Wesleyan by 22 in the second half before roaring back to claim a brilliant overtime victory. The following Saturday they barely survived lowly Hiram by 1, then on Wednesday DePauw blew their stripes off by 26. Tonight they fell behind Wooster by 19 early in the second half. They did pull themselves together and stage another nearly miraculous comeback, closing to within 3, but this time could not seal the deal. Although the Old Tigers may hang on to a top 25 slot, I think they have seen the last of the top 10 for a while.

And oh by the way, Ohio Wesleyan, who couldn't hold their large second-half lead against Witt, won today at DePauw, who could and did, by 11. So much for the transitive property of D3 hoops.

[hplc2222]

very difficult to find the illinois wesleyan vs wheaton ill score---- the live score and auduio and video isnt working, the games not updated on neither teams own website, and its not showing on d3 hoops,lol

im watching the end of oglethorpe though ok.

[Mr. Ypsi]

very difficult to find the illinois wesleyan vs wheaton ill score---- the live score and auduio and video isnt working, the games not updated on neither teams own website, and its not showing on d3 hoops,lol

im watching the end of oglethorpe though ok.

I watched a very good video, and fairly quick stats updates - don't know what your trouble may have been.  IWU won 78-71 - game ended about a minute ago.

Generally your best bet is to go to the hoe team's website for directions, though the d3hoops.com links worked perfectly.

[jaybird44]

IWU 78, Wheaton 71:  final.

Twitter is a great way to get updates on many D3 teams.  This website's Twitter feed is very reliable and posted frequent updates on the IWU/Wheaton game.

[hplc2222]

Current status of 51 teams who would all like to be in the Top 25

32 teams with no more than 2 losses
(19 are in Top 25 last vote)
undefeated
UW Stevens Point-----------16-0----#1
Cabrini ----------------------13-0----#3
SUNY Purchase------------- 12-0---#17
Dubuque---------------------15-0--- #40         
Husson-----------------------13-0----no votes

1 loss
Wooster--------------------- 15-1-----#2         
WPI --------------------------13-1 -----#5
St Norbert------------------- 13-1-----#12
Wesley----------------------- 13-1 ----#14   
Messiah-----------------------13-1---- #15       
Bowdoin----------------------13-1-----#19       
Albertus Magnus-------------12-1----- #23 
Oglethorpe------------------ 14-1------#24         
Brockport State------------- 11-1-----#28         
Texas Dallas----------------- 12-1------#35   

2 loss
Illinois Wesleyan------------ 14-2---  #4           
Amherst----------------------13-2---- #6             
Washington U----------------11-2---- #7           
UW  Whitewater------------- 14-2--- #8             
Williams-----------------------13-2---#10           
St Thomas------------------- 12-2----#11           
Augustana------------------- 14-2----#13           
Mary Wahington------------- 13-2-----#20
Dickinson--------------------- 13-2----#33
Richard Stockton------------- 13-2-  -#36
NYU----------------------------11-2----#37-         
St Vincent---------------------14-2--- #42           
Staten Island----------------- 12-2 -- no votes
Mount Union------------------ 12-2 ---no votes
Genesco St--------------------10-2 --- no votes       
Hilbert------------------------- 12-2 ---no votes
Penn State Behrend------ ----12-2 -  no votes

teams with 3 or more losses that received votes last vote
09   Wittenberg--------------------12-3
16   St. Mary's (Md.)--------------11-4  
18   Virginia Wesleyan------------12-3  
21   Wheaton (Ill.)----------------10-6               
22   Ohio Wesleyan---------------12-3 
25   Colorado College-------------10-3    
26  Christopher Newport ---------11-4 
27  Whitworth---------------------10-4     
29  Marietta-----------------------11-4   
30  Emory--------------------------9-4        
31  DePauw -----------------------11-4   
32  William Paterson---------------12-3   
34  Springfield--------------------11-4   
38  Hope---------------------------9-6
39  Babson------------------------11-4
41  Calvin-------------------------11-4
43  UW-Platteville----------------11-5       
44  Oswego State----------------10-4       
45  Stevenson--------------------11-3     

Washington U, NYU, Emory, and Stevenson play on Sunday. Whitworth plays 11pm Saturday

Then we can vote. lol

[hplc2222]

This weeks Top 25 pick was easy to do. What I did was take my list of the Top 51 teams, eliminated 21 teams based on either low or no votes last vote and it became really easy to see the list in my head. I cut and paste teams as I eliminated the remaining teams onto the Top 25 list. I assumed that Washington U wins today and NYU losses dropping to 3 losses. Maybe I dropped Washington too far but to me it looks right.

1 UW Stevens Point------------16-0
2  Wooster----------------------15-1
3 Cabrini------------------------13-0
4  Illinoins Wesleyan-----------14-2
5 WPI---------------------------13-1
6 Amherst----------------------13-2
7 UW Whitewater--------------14-2
8 Wesley----------------------- 13-1
9 Williams----------------------13-2
10 St Thomas------------------12-2
11 Messiah---------------------13-1
12 St Norbert------------------13-1
13 Washington U--------------12-2 (assuming they win sunday for 12th win)
14 Augustana------------------14-2
15 Suny Purchase-------------12-0
16 Bowdoin--------------------13-1
17 Mary Washington----------13-2
18 Albertus Magnus-----------12-1
19 Dickinson------------------ 13-2
20 Richard Stockton---------- 13-2
21 Oglethorpe-----------------14-1
22 Wittenberg-----------------12-3
23 Brockport State------------11-1
24 Virginia Wesleyan----------12-3
25 Ohio Wesleyan-------------12-3

others that were considered
Dubuque 15-0, Texas Dallas 12-1, St Vincent 14-2. St Marys Md. 11-4, Wheaton 10-6

Richard Stockton is one of 20 teams in the Nation with at least 13 wins and no more than 2 losses. Their 2 losses on the road by a combined 3 points. are 6-0 at home, 7-2 on the road.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Your posting your ballot before games are even played on Sunday?!

[hplc2222]

yes, basicaly, i knew this morning whitworth already won last night, and i could basicaly pencil in Wshington U beating NYU today. Emory nor Stevenson werent getting in even if they win today.

So yeah, I figured ouyt my Top 25 this morning.

[hplc2222]

aren't sports fans allowed to to that? lol,... ESPN makes up whos better on monday a week before games are even played, sheesh.

Plus, normaly I may not have done it, but it WAS so cut and dry this week. Very easy list.

I spent the entire day yesterday from 8am to 11pm monitoring and watching the games, making and updating my list of the 51 teams, and studying all the teams wins-losses, as best I could

and spent all night in bed sleeping thinking aqbout the list.

It was really easy to wake up this morning and make my Top 25 list.

I am analytical by trade and nature.

So yeah. I put it out

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Well I don't think you are giving Stevenson much credit... beat a previously undefeated Messiah squad and has now beaten two then-ranked Top 25 teams this season. Also, what happens if Wash U actually does lose (only winning by 8 close to halftime)? Finally, your Top 25 this week is completely different from last week... you dropped Wash U why? The problem I see is you are too analytical and not looking at the big picture or who these teams are and who they are actually playing (or who their opponents are actually playing).