Top 25 talk

[hplc2222]

nj got hammered with a snow storm, but the roads are clear right now and most everyones shoveled out, the game shouldnt be postponed, but i see it is
they probabl,y closed the school for classes today, who knows.

it sucks they arent playing today, they needed this game against kean. kean is 9-6.

you hold brooklyn to 63 points in your building you should win that game.

but they just didnt have the hot hand.

if they get hot they can have 6 players in double figures.

thats why they play they games

[Greek Tragedy]

Brookyln was only 5-10. RS only beat Kean by 5 before. They were probably itching to play to get that bad taste out of their mouths. Now they have to wait nearly a week to play again.

[hplc2222]

basicaly the stockton loss to brooklyn was on the point guard kevin johnson

he cantr dish, he cant swish, he double dribbles constantlym, cant drive, gets balls stolen,.. and despite is they were 13-2

gerry needs to considere replacing him

[hplc2222]

to answer the question, ... based on kevin jognson not being able to play on a level. ca;pable of competing,.. william patterson could roll all over stockton saturday

[Greek Tragedy]

You've quickly soured on your boys.

Johnson was hardly the only one to have a bad game. Yeah, 1-7 isn't good, but the team only shot 30%. Blamon was 3-14, Reuben 1-6, and Williams 1-9. Previously, Kevin Johnson had a pretty good all-around game against Ramapo: 5 pts, 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 3 steals.

Just a week ago you were sure they were a Top 25 team, now you think they'll get rolled all over by a team they lost to by just 2 points on the road.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

"Postponed" has had a good week so far.  If they keep this up through Sunday, perhaps they can get some votes in the next poll.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	UW-Stevens Point	17-0	won at UW-Platteville, 76-61; 01/25 at UW-La Crosse
#2	594	Wooster	15-1	def. Allegheny, 73-68; 01/25 at #35 DePauw
#3	581	Cabrini	15-0	def. Marywood, 82-68; def. Neumann, 94-68; 01/25 at Keystone
#4	513	Illinois Wesleyan	15-2	def. North Central (Ill.), 72-57; 01/25 at T#44 Carthage
#5	501	WPI	15-1	def. Clark, 81-69; 01/25 at Wheaton (Mass.)
#6	494	Amherst	14-2	won at #9 Williams, 82-70; 01/25 at Trinity (Conn.)
#7	460	UW-Whitewater	14-3	LOST at UW-La Crosse, 83-88; 01/25 at UW-River Falls
#8	447	Washington U.	12-2	01/24 at Case Western Reserve; 01/26 at Carnegie Mellon
#9	424	Williams	13-3	LOST to #6 Amherst, 70-82; 01/25 vs. Hamilton
#10	395	St. Thomas	13-3	LOST at St. John's, 69-77; def. #34 Augsburg, 82-70
#11	373	St. Norbert	14-1	won at Beloit, 76-56; 01/25 vs. Cornell
#12	331	Wesley	13-1	01/23 at Penn State-Harrisburg; 01/25 at Southern Virginia
#13	329	Augustana	15-2	def. Millikin, 72-57; 01/25 at Elmhurst
#14	219	SUNY-Purchase	12-0	01/21 at Yeshiva postponed; 01/23 at Sage; 01/25 vs. St. Joseph's (L.I.)
#15	211	Mary Washington	13-2	01/22 vs. Southern Virginia postponed; 01/23 vs. Southern Virginia; 01/25 at York (Pa.)
#16	182	Virginia Wesleyan	12-4	LOST at T#44 Randolph-Macon, 62-78; 01/25 vs. Washington and Lee
#17	178	Messiah	13-1	01/23 at Widener; 01/25 at Hood
#18	170	Wittenberg	13-3	won at Kenyon, 66-54; 01/25 at Allegheny
#19	162	Ohio Wesleyan	13-3	def. Oberlin, 81-72; 01/25 vs. Denison
#20	159	Albertus Magnus	14-1	def. Rivier, 73-52; def. Elms, 113-97; 01/25 at Lasell
#21	149	Oglethorpe	14-1	01/24 vs. Centre; 01/25 vs. Sewanee
#22	123	Bowdoin	14-1	def. Maine-Presque Isle, 82-51; 01/25 vs. Colby
#23	78	Brockport State	12-1	def. Buffalo State, 84-69; 01/24 at Oneonta State; 01/25 at New Paltz State
#24	74	St. Mary's (Md.)	11-4	01/22 vs. #33 Christopher Newport postponed; 01/25 at Marymount
#25	40	Dubuque	16-0	won at Coe, 66-56; 01/25 at Loras

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	38	Dickinson	13-3	LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 58-67; 01/25 at Swarthmore
#27	33	Mount Union	13-3	LOST at Capital, 70-88; won at Muskingum, 73-50; 01/25 vs. Heidelberg
#28	27	Whitworth	12-4	won at Whitman, 84-80; 01/25 vs. Lewis and Clark
#29	24	Texas-Dallas	13-1	won at University of the Ozarks, 84-63; 01/23 vs. University of the Ozarks; 01/25 vs. Texas-Tyler
#30	21	William Paterson	14-3	won at John Jay, 91-71; def. TCNJ, 83-56; 01/25 at T#31 Richard Stockton
T#31	20	Stevenson	12-4	LOST at Elizabethtown, 63-65; 01/25 vs. Arcadia
T#31	20	Richard Stockton	13-3	LOST to Brooklyn, 55-63; 01/25 vs. #30 William Paterson
#33	18	Christopher Newport	11-4	01/22 at #24 St. Mary's (Md.) postponed; 01/25 at Frostburg State
#34	16	Augsburg	11-5	def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 97-60; LOST at #10 St. Thomas, 70-82; 01/25 at St. Olaf
#35	15	DePauw	12-4	won at Wabash, 70-60; 01/25 vs. #2 Wooster
T#36	11	Colorado College	11-3	won at Johnson & Wales (CO), 75-65; 01/24 vs. Southwestern; 01/25 vs. Trinity (Texas)
T#36	11	Rose-Hulman	12-4	LOST at Hanover, 62-67; 01/25 vs. Transylvania
#38	10	St. Vincent	15-2	def. Waynesburg, 87-68
#39	9	Springfield	12-4	won at Coast Guard, 73-60; 01/25 vs. Clark
#40	8	Calvin	12-4	def. Trine, 71-49; 01/25 at Olivet
#41	7	Babson	12-4	def. #43 MIT, 65-47; 01/25 vs. Coast Guard
#42	6	Emory	10-4	01/24 at New York University; 01/26 at Brandeis
#43	5	MIT	11-4	LOST at #41 Babson, 47-65; 01/25 vs. Emerson
T#44	3	Randolph-Macon	12-4	def. #16 Virginia Wesleyan, 78-62; 01/25 at Roanoke
T#44	3	Hampden-Sydney	10-6	LOST at Guilford, 72-74; 01/25 at Randolph
T#44	3	Staten Island	14-2	def. Kean, 83-72; def. York (N.Y.), 80-75; 01/25 vs. Brooklyn
T#44	3	Carthage	11-6	LOST at Elmhurst, 70-73; 01/25 vs. #4 Illinois Wesleyan
#48	2	Eastern Connecticut	12-4	def. Keene State, 84-53; 01/25 at Rhode Island College
T#49	1	Geneseo State	11-2	def. Fredonia State, 79-63; 01/24 at New Paltz State; 01/25 at Oneonta State
T#49	1	Marietta	12-4	def. Capital, 82-72; 01/25 at Wilmington
T#49	1	Scranton	13-3	won at Drew, 82-72; 01/25 vs. Catholic

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Penn State-Behrend	13-2	won at Hilbert, 55-52; 01/23 vs. Pitt-Bradford; 01/25 at Pitt-Greensburg

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

[Darryl Nester]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

[pjunito]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

I'm pretty sure UW-Stevens is the best 0 team lost in the country.. But, I'll begin working on list today for everyone.

[Greek Tragedy]

Or the best 0 loss team. I say tomato, you say tomato! 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

I'm pretty sure UW-Stevens is the best 0 team lost in the country.. But, I'll begin working on list today for everyone.

Don't sleep on Dubuque, man.  We have no idea what they could do against real competition.

[hplc2222]

0 loss - 4
1 loss - 11
2 loss -  9
3 loss - 18
= 42teams

4 loss = 44 teams

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

UMHB has dealt with it all this year including two of their best players in car accidents at the beginning of the season. My interview with Coach DeWeese was very interesting as he talked about the challenges they have had to deal with this season. That being said, seven losses is seven losses and unless they win the conference the only teams that have to be terrified is their own conference.

[John Gleich]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

I'm pretty sure UW-Stevens is the best 0 team lost in the country.. But, I'll begin working on list today for everyone.

Don't sleep on Dubuque, man.  We have no idea what they could do against real competition.

LOL

Ya know, bad schedule or not... I've been saying it for years. Beat the teams on the schedule you have, don't hypothetically beat teams that aren't on your schedule. The hypothetical games don't count, but the real ones do.


If a team is supposed to be ranked, then PROVE it by winning your games (uh, the real ones). Plain and simple.

[hplc2222]

60 team list
(no more than 3 losses or recieved votes last vote)

0 loss
uw stevens point-------------- 17-0  #1
cabrini--------------------------15-0  #3
suny purchase---------------- -13-0  #14
dubuqu-------------------------16-0  #25

1 loss
wooster--------------------------- 15-1  #2
wpi-------------------------------- 15-1 #5
st norbert----------------------- --14-1 #11
wesley---------------------------- 14-1 #12
messiah--------------------------- 14-1 #17
albertus magnus------------- ----14-1 #20
oglethorpe------------------------ 14-1 #21
bowdoin------------------------- - 14-1 #22
brockport state------------------- 12-1 #23
texas-dallas----------------------- 14-1 #29
husson----------------------------- 13-1 no votes

2 loss
illinois wesleyan----------------- 15-2  #4
amherst-------------------------- 14-2 #6
washington u-------------------- 12-2  #8
augustana------------------------15-2 #13
mary washington----------------14-2 #15
st vincent------------------------ 15-2  #38
staten islamd-------------------- 14-2 # 46
genesco state--------------------11-2 #49
penn state behrend------------- 14-2 no votes

3 loss
uw whitewater------------------ 14-3 #7
williams------------------------- 13-3 #9
st thomas---------------------- -13-3 #10
wittenberg---------------------- 13-3 #18
ohio wesleyan-------------------13-3 #19
dickinson----------------------- -13-3 #26
mount union---------------------13-3 #27
william paterson---------------- 14-3 #30
richard stockton-----------------13-3 #32
colorado college---------------- 11-3 #36
scranton-------------------------13-3 #51
endicott--------------------------13-3 no votes
lewis and clark------------------ 12-3 no votes
hilbert----------------------------11-3 no votes
centre----------------------------11-3 no votes
vassar--------------------------- 11-3 no votes
plattsburg state----------------- 11-3 no votes
nyu------------------------------- 11-3 no votes


others receiving votes last vote
virginia wesleyan----------------- 12-4 #16
st marys md-------------------.-- 11-4 #24
whitworth------------------------ 12-4 #28
stevenson------------------------ 12-4 #31
christopher newport------------- 11-4 #33
auguburg------------------------- 11-5 #34
depauw ---------------------------12-4 #35
rose-hulman----------------------12-4 #37
springfield------------------------ 12-4 #39
calvin------------------------------12-4 #40
babson---------------------------- 12-4 #41
emory----------------------------- 10-4 #42
mit-------------------------------- 11-4 #43
randolph macon------------------ 12-4 #44
hampden - sydney----------------10-6 #45
carthage---------------------------11-6 #47
eastern conneticut--------------- 12-4 #48
marietta---------------------------12-4 #50

playing today of those 60 teams - washington u, centre, oglethorpe, brockport state, husson, genesco state, nyu,  emory, vassar, plattsburg state, colorado college, lewis and clark