Top 25 talk

[smedindy]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

I'm pretty sure UW-Stevens is the best 0 team lost in the country.. But, I'll begin working on list today for everyone.

Don't sleep on Dubuque, man.  We have no idea what they could do against real competition.

They've faced real competition. All of their games are against real basketball teams!

[smedindy]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

Using Massey, here are the best X loss teams in the D-3 Universe:

0 - UW - SP
1 - Wooster
2 - Illinois Wesleyan
3 - UW - Whitewater
4 - Randolph Macon
5 - Wilmington
6 - Wheaton  (IL)
7 - Hope
8 - Schreiner
9 - Ohio Northern
10 - Salisbury St.
11- Heidelberg
12 - Pacific Luthern
13 - Washington (MD)
14 - Rust
15 - North Park
16 - D'Youville
17 - UC Santa Cruz

YMMV. Consult your dealer for options and accessories. If symptoms persist, treat with Wild Turkey and hammer.

[Gregory Sager]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

Using Massey, here are the best X loss teams in the D-3 Universe:

15 - North Park

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFloZbT99oE

[David Collinge]

0 - UW - SP
1 - Wooster
2 - Illinois Wesleyan
3 - UW - Whitewater
4 - Randolph Macon
5 - Wilmington
6 - Wheaton  (IL)
7 - Hope
8 - Schreiner
9 - Ohio Northern
10 - Salisbury St.
11- Heidelberg
12 - Pacific Luthern
13 - Washington (MD)
14 - Rust
15 - North Park
16 - D'Youville
17 - UC Santa Cruz

Hmmmm. Forget the well-known Massey WIAC bias, I think I detect a Posting Up HoF bias in there.

apologies if I have missed any

[sac]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

Using Massey, here are the best X loss teams in the D-3 Universe:

0 - UW - SP
1 - Wooster
2 - Illinois Wesleyan
3 - UW - Whitewater
4 - Randolph Macon
5 - Wilmington
6 - Wheaton  (IL)
7 - Hope
8 - Schreiner
9 - Ohio Northern
10 - Salisbury St.
11- Heidelberg
12 - Pacific Luthern
13 - Washington (MD)
14 - Rust
15 - North Park
16 - D'Youville
17 - UC Santa Cruz

YMMV. Consult your dealer for options and accessories. If symptoms persist, treat with Wild Turkey and hammer.

Hope has 6 losses, Massey is incorrectly counting their exhibition loss to Grand Valley State.

[hplc2222]

but seriously,......... if William Paterson beats Richard Stockton tomorrow,.. to get to a sn eaky 15-3, having beat Stockton twice then, at this point,..... then William Paterson will be inside the Top 26

NO?

and if Richard Stockton wins thne game,.. they maintain their position at 32,.. maybe move up to 26-31?

no?

any opinions of this particular bubble game tomorrow?

[hplc2222]

0 loss - 4
1 loss - 11
2 loss -  9
3 loss - 18
4 loss - 44
5 loss -  35
6 loss - 40
7 loss - 43

= 204 teams

204 teams out of 416 teams in D3 have no more than 7 losses.

161 teams have no more than 6 losses.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

but seriously,......... if William Paterson beats Richard Stockton tomorrow,.. to get to a sn eaky 15-3, having beat Stockton twice then, at this point,..... then William Paterson will be inside the Top 26

NO?

and if Richard Stockton wins thne game,.. they maintain their position at 32,.. maybe move up to 26-31?

no?

any opinions of this particular bubble game tomorrow?

Will Pat could crack the top 25 if they win depending on the teams ahead of them.
Stockton has no chance after losing to Brooklyn on Monday. A 2nd loss and they'll receive no votes, win and they might hang on to just a couple.

[hplc2222]

like I said earlied, there is only 8 D3 teams in the nation with at least 15 win and no more than 3 losses,...... William Patterson 14-3 #30, wins AT Stockton 13-3, tomorrow,.. then Willian Paterson emerges as the Top NJAC team, at 15-3, and a Top 25 national team, with king-gilchrist as one 0of the best players in the nation,   having beat Stockton twice theoreticaly.

But we also have Rutgers Newark at 12-5 , winners of 6 in a row, and a preseason coaches favorite in conference.

any opinions on this game tomorrow?

[hplc2222]

no, I think that if Stockton wins the game to get to 14-3,.. they would masintaion a position inside the Top 32,........ with a chance in future weeks to get higher, like you said, depending on how many losses other teams suffer

but that is why they play the games

this game is preobably the most intriguing game tomorrow in the nation

it is a pre-cursor to who will come out of the NJAC

[hplc2222]

LET ME WORD IT ANOTHER WAY, ........ there are 42 teams in the nation with 3 or less losses,.. both stockton and william peterson have 3 losses,..... we can know , that some of those 42 teams are losing tonight, tommorow, or sunday,....

Any 3 loss team standing on monday morning deserves votes

probably william peterson will get to 2r at 15-3 with the 2nd win againsat stockton,...... or stockton will get to 14-3,... and mai ntain their position

you can talk abouit the brooklyn game all you want,.. it was on a sunday afrternoon,.....

stockton is not used to playiong on sunday, usualy wednesday and saturday

and i knew that would be a tricky game

thneyu held brookyn to 63 points,..... and brooklyn is capavble of putting up 100

3 losses aint a dceath nail, .. 4 losses is

understand?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

All teams with three losses or less are not equal based just on their record... you seem to keep missing that point.

For example, UW-Stevens Point is undefeated and #1... Dubuque is undefeated and now #25. If everything was equal... shouldn't they be ranked 1 and 2? Splitting first place votes?

And smedindy... Salisbury got rid of "State" many years ago

[hplc2222]

the top 60 teams in the nation right now, as ofd this morning

60 team list
(no more than 3 losses or recieved votes last vote)

0 loss
uw stevens point-------------- 17-0  #1
cabrini--------------------------15-0  #3
suny purchase---------------- 13-0  #14
dubuqu-------------------------16-0  #25

1 loss
wooster------------------------- 15-1  #2
wpi-------------------------------15-1 #5
st norbert----------------------- 14-1 #11
wesley--------------------------- 14-1 #12
messiah------------------------- 14-1 #17
albertus magnus------------- ---14-1 #20
oglethorpe---------------------- 14-1 #21
bowdoin------------------------- 14-1 #22
brockport state------------------ 12-1 #23
texas-dallas-------------------- -14-1 #29
husson---------------------------13-1 no votes

2 loss
illinois wesleyan------------------ 15-2  #4
amherst-------------------------- 14-2 #6
washington u------------------ --12-2  #8
augustana-----------------------15-2 #13
mary washington----------------14-2 #15
st vincent------------------------ 15-2  #38
staten islamd----------------- --14-2 # 46
genesco state--------------------11-2 #49
penn state behrend--------- ---14-2 no votes

3 loss
uw whitewater------------------ 14-3 #7
williams------------------------- 13-3 #9
st thomas---------------------- 13-3 #10
wittenberg----------------------13-3 #18
ohio wesleyan----------------- 13-3 #19
dickinson----------------------- 13-3 #26
mount union--------------------13-3 #27
william paterson-------------- 14-3 #30
richard stockton---------------13-3 #32
colorado college-------------- 11-3 #36
scranton-----------------------13-3 #51
endicott------------------------ 13-3 no votes
lewis and clark---------------- 12-3 no votes
hilbert---------------------------11-3 no votes
centre--------------------------- 11-3 no votes
vassar-------------------------- 11-3 no votes
plattsburg state---------------- 11-3 no votes
nyu-------------------------------11-3 no votes


others receiving votes last vote
virginia wesleyan-------------- 12-4 #16
st marys md-------------------.11-4 #24
whitworth-----------------------12-4 #28
stevenson-----------------------12-4 #31
christopher newport----------- 11-4 #33
auguburg----------------------- 11-5 #34
depauw -------------------------12-4 #35
rose-hulman--------------------12-4 #37
springfield-----------------------12-4 #39
calvin----------------------------12-4 #40
babson---------------------------12-4 #41
emory--------------------------- 10-4 #42
mit------------------------------- 11-4 #43
randolph macon---------------- 12-4 #44
hampden - sydney--------------10-6 #45
carthage-------------------------11-6 #47
eastern conneticut-------------- 12-4 #48
marietta--------------------------12-4 #50

[hplc2222]

i understand uw stevens point and the one or even 2 loss teams right now, have real shot at the championship,......

but of the 42 teams in the nation with no more than 3 losses, 33 had votes ,.. 9 did not

stockton sits at 32, william paterson at 30

they play each lother saturday

ikt is a bubble game

voters already have them inside, in this

so the winner of the game gets recopgnition

i do get it

usualy one team from the conference njac gets recopgnitrion, and 2 teams get in the ncaa tourney

they havnt had a win since stocktopn made the finals

but

i am not even talki g about that

i am talkingt about at least 1 team, the winnewr of tommorows game, william patterson at stockton,.. maintaining a postion yo at least get a favorable game inj the ncaa tourney

am i really wrong ?

[iwumichigander]

Yes