Top 25 talk

[hplc2222]

lol, how can i be wrong about saying a team ranked 30 playing againsat a team ranked 32, tomorrow, where one in 14-3, the other at 13-3,... that the winner wouldnt maintain where they are, or move slighntly higher?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I know they've lost seven games already, but I would be absolutely terrified to play Mary Hardin-Baylor right now.  Best seven loss team in d3, I think.

I believe that the established precedent on this board is that, if you are going to make such a statement, you must follow it up with detailed statistics.  Please begin with a list of all teams in D3 with 7 losses, and your analysis of the quality of those losses.  You can then move on to telling us why MHB deserves to be considered the best of that group. (And perhaps even better than some of the six- and five-loss teams.  We'll need a list of those, too.)  If, at some point, you feel obliged to post increasingly incoherent comments, and/or post in all caps, we would certainly understand.

Using Massey, here are the best X loss teams in the D-3 Universe:

0 - UW - SP
1 - Wooster
2 - Illinois Wesleyan
3 - UW - Whitewater
4 - Randolph Macon
5 - Wilmington
6 - Wheaton  (IL)
7 - Hope
8 - Schreiner
9 - Ohio Northern
10 - Salisbury St.
11- Heidelberg
12 - Pacific Luthern
13 - Washington (MD)
14 - Rust
15 - North Park
16 - D'Youville
17 - UC Santa Cruz

YMMV. Consult your dealer for options and accessories. If symptoms persist, treat with Wild Turkey and hammer.

Hope has 6 losses, Massey is incorrectly counting their exhibition loss to Grand Valley State.

But if Massey had the losses correctly, Hope wouldn't have made Smedindy's list at all, since 6-loss Wheaton beat them by 19!

[hplc2222]

jum sorery, but whoever canme up with that ,list, is not seeing what i am seeing

[hplc2222]

0 loss
uw stevens point-------------- 17-0  #1
cabrini---------------------------- 15-0  #3
suny purchase---------------- 13-0  #14
dubuqu----------------------------16-0  #25

1 loss
wooster------------------------- 15-1  #2
wpi-------------------------------- 15-1 #5
st norbert----------------------- 14-1 #11
wesley--------------------------- 14-1 #12
messiah------------------------- 14-1 #17
albertus magnus------------- 14-1 #20
oglethorpe---------------------- 14-1 #21
bowdoin-------------------------  14-1 #22
brockport state---------------- 12-1 #23
texas-dallas-------------------- 14-1 #29
husson--------------------------- 13-1 no votes

2 loss
illinois wesleyan-------------- 15-2  #4
amherst-------------------------- 14-2 #6
washington u------------------ 12-2  #8
augustana-----------------------15-2 #13
mary washington-------------14-2 #15
st vincent----------------------- 15-2  #38
staten islamd----------------- 14-2 # 46
genesco state-----------------11-2 #49
penn state behrend--------- 14-2 no votes

3 loss
uw whitewater---------------- 14-3 #7
williams------------------------- 13-3 #9
st thomas---------------------- 13-3 #10
wittenberg---------------------- 13-3 #18
ohio wesleyan---------------- 13-3 #19
dickinson----------------------- 13-3 #26
mount union--------------------13-3 #27
william paterson-------------- 14-3 #30
richard stockton---------------13-3 #32
colorado college-------------- 11-3 #36
scranton------------------------- 13-3 #51
endicott-------------------------- 13-3 no votes
lewis and clark---------------- 12-3 no votes
hilbert----------------------------- 11-3 no votes
centre----------------------------- 11-3 no votes
vassar----------------------------- 11-3 no votes
plattsburg state---------------- 11-3 no votes
nyu--------------------------------- 11-3 no votes


others receiving votes last vote
virginia wesleyan-------------- 12-4 #16
st marys md-------------------. 11-4 #24
whitworth------------------------ -12-4 #28
stevenson------------------------ 12-4 #31
christopher newport----------- 11-4 #33
auguburg-------------------------- 11-5 #34
depauw ----------------------------12-4 #35
rose-hulman----------------------12-4 #37
springfield------------------------ 12-4 #39
calvin------------------------------- 12-4 #40
babson---------------------------- 12-4 #41
emory------------------------------ 10-4 #42
mit----------------------------------- 11-4 #43
randolph macon---------------- 12-4 #44
hampden - sydney-------------10-6 #45
carthage---------------------------11-6 #47
eastern conneticut------------ 12-4 #48
marietta----------------------------12-4 #50


29  4-loss teams in the nation right now ( no votes last vote, but may want to keep an eye

louisiana college 9-4
concordia 11-4
marian 14-4
lakeland 13-4
milwalkie engineering 13-4
marymount 12-4
mcdaniel 12-4
sunyit 8-4
nicols 11-4
eastern nararene 10-4

mitchell 11-4
daniel webster 11-4
gwynedd-mercy 12-4
alfred 10-4
johnson and wales 12-4
defiance 12-4
guilford 12-4
lynchburg 12-4
bethany 13-4
juniata 12-4

[hplc2222]

claremont-mudd scripps 11-4
cal lutheran 13-4
hobart 10-4
mount st mary 12-4
farmingdale state 11-4
hood 12-4
macmurray 11-4
st olaf 12-4
grinnell 11-4

[hplc2222]

hoopeville never talks about the Njac, yet they are relevant nationaly, have won  a championship, rowan, hbave made final fours,.... usualy get 2 or or in thne past 3 teams in the ncaa tourney

this is the nj/myc market

to totally ignore the njac on hoopseville, is notr tight,

this one guy on here likes to list the 13 or 14 ncaa tournets stevens point has made, stocktons made 13 too

is isnt right to ignore the njac

[Mr. Ypsi]

hplc2222, +k to you, both for your hard work and for keeping a good humor about the good-humored ribbing.  BUT, while I find your lists interesting and even somewhat useful, I hope that you understand that listing W-L records without any consideration of WHO teams played is virtually meaningless in isolation.  Just for one example, Husson got to 13-0 without receiving a single top-25 vote (and probably not even being very seriously on any voter's radar).  Why?  Because they don't play a single top-100 team the entire season!  On the other hand, Virginia Wesleyan is currently ranked 16th despite four losses.  Why?  Because they have played a number of very tough teams (and beaten some).

With 416 teams in d3, it would be theoretically possible to go 0-25 yet be the 26th best team (or higher, if some of the losses were to the same team twice).  Likewise to go 25-0, yet be the 26th worst (or lower).  Neither of these will ever happen of course, but the point remains.

[hplc2222]

you m issed my point,....... i am talikng about the 30th ranked team in the nation, playing againsy the 32nd ranked team in the nation tomorrow,.... and hoopseville totally disreagardes tgis game, and the conference

this is what i am talkinbg about
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becausae if william patterson win this game to get to 15-3, already ranked at 30, and beating stocktton twice,.. with one opn the top 10 best scoreers in the nation, this is somethin g that needs to be mentioned

[hplc2222]

oglkethorope just scored 47 points in a gamne , a loss,..... and you want to put down stockton,... come on man,. tghese are d3 players,... they arent olympic quality athletes

anyone can lose

but comke on man 47 points, are you kiddingv me

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

oglkethorope just scored 47 points in a gamne , a loss,..... and you want to put down stockton,... come on man,. tghese are d3 players,... they arent olympic quality athletes

anyone can lose

but comke on man 47 points, are you kiddingv me

Nope... not kidding you. Amazingly not every game is a 90-88 type of score.
How about NJ City (who is currently middle of the pack in the NJAC) who won a game 39-38... in OT. They were home to conference foe Rutgers-Camden just 9 days ago when these two teams combined to score 70 points in regulation.

[sac]

Cincinnati(18-2) 44 Pittsburgh(17-2) 43

[hplc2222]

'don't just say things to say things'

pk

so oglethorpr gets away with lodsing a game by scoring only 47 points, but stockton doesnt get saway with losing to holding brooklyn to 63


CAtcg 22

which has always been my argument on here

NJAC HATERS

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

'don't just say things to say things'

pk

so oglethorpr gets away with lodsing a game by scoring only 47 points, but stockton doesnt get saway with losing to holding brooklyn to 63


CAtcg 22

which has always been my argument on here

NJAC HATERS

They're not getting away for only scoring 47, but we also aren't making a big deal about it like you are. The fact is they lost. It doesn't matter if the score was 47-52 or 87-92. They lost and will drop when the next rankings come out.

And your argument is comparing apples and oranges... Oglethorpe scored 47 while Stockton gave up 63 isn't valid because it's not the same comparison. It's either Oglethorpe scored 47 while Stockton managed to score 55, or it's Oglethorpe only gave up 52 while Stockton gave up 63. Either way both teams lost.


I had been impressed with the changes in your demeanor the past few days but I'm starting to feel like the old hplc is returning whenever someone disagrees with your opinion which is unfortunate to see.

[frodotwo]

'don't just say things to say things'

pk

so oglethorpr gets away with lodsing a game by scoring only 47 points, but stockton doesnt get saway with losing to holding brooklyn to 63


CAtcg 22

which has always been my argument on here

NJAC HATERS

I'm pretty sure Oglethorpe will not "get away" with a loss. It will in all surety drop them from their lofty #21 ranking, possibly even out of the top 25. As a for instance, Marietta was ranked #19 in weekly poll #5 and then lost on the road to 6-5 Ohio Northern and then dropped out of the Top 25 to #29 the following week.

A home loss to a 4-11 team certainly does not translate to a "good loss" for any team, so even though 4 teams ahead of Dick Stockton lost, I don't think they would pass Whitworth or UT-Dallas if they happen to beat Willy Paterson. Conversely if Paterson beats Stockton it may be enough to catapult them to #25 past Whit and UTD. That's up to the voters and in my mind three wins in the week should be enough to do so.

I don't think anyone hates the NJAC, they are just not thought of highly enough on the national scene right now. Strange that 5-11 Brooklyn College is 3-0 against  3 teams from the NJAC even though Massey has them rated as only the 290th best team in D3.

[sac]

Richard Stockton was really a John Hancock hater.