Top 25 talk

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

obviously all the voters dont agree on who is a top 25 team, otherwise 51 teams would not have had votes last time.
their is much difference among the ballots it seems, 20 coachs/sports writers voted for stockton right?

Well technically they could have if 20 out of the 25 pollsters all placed them 25th. But that seems highly unlikely that you'd have that many people all agree on the #25 team.
It could also have been just 4 people who placed them 21st. Or an 18th, 19th, and 21st. But if I had to guess on how many out of 25 had them on their ballot I'd probably guess about 6 or 7.

[hplc2222]

how do you know how many voters there are?
The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.

we know 25 coaches vote, out of 416, but we have nol idea how many media members vote.

[hplc2222]

who gets the media votes, does stephan a smith vote from espn?

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

how do you know how many voters there are?
The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.

we know 25 coaches vote, out of 416, but we have nol idea how many media members vote.

No, it's 25 total between coaches, SID, and media. If I remember correctly each of the 8 regions has three voters and the 25th vote belongs to Pat? If not him then someone connected to the d3 sites.
Another way to check is count the #1 votes. In the last poll UWSP got 23, Wooster and Cabrini each got 1 for a total of 25.

[hplc2222]

oh, ok, people are picking stockton at any rate, and many other teams, as 51 teams got votes, that means a lot of disagreement about who is a top 25 team in the nation.

they do vote on merit right?

they dont just vote for good teams in their region for the sake of trying to increase the index number do they?

[Greek Tragedy]

The man behind the curtain, some call him Oz, gets the 25th vote.

My opinion is that Richard Stockton may lose votes. The loss to Brooklyn hurts more than their win vs William Paterson, IMHO.

[Greek Tragedy]

There is a 100-point gap between 13 and 14. I think that's where the big indecision comes in. Then, between 14th and 22nd its less than 100 points separating those slots. RS has to get twice as many points as they currently have to make this week's Top 25. Its noted that with all the carnage, it may take less than 40 points in this upcoming poll to crack the Top 25.

[hplc2222]

but a lot of people lost games everyone cant move down, so, just have to see. 23 people acutaly make up the vote, but 6 billion people give or take a billion, have the right to make up their own top 25 for fun.

I have to admitt I feel pressured on here for weeks, since i started on this site, to somehow - fall in line- with the way the vote goes.

the guy from hoopesville was even saying he tried to explain to me 3 times that i shouldnt put stockton in my list.

i just have to ignore the pressure and have the entertainment and enjoyment i want out of it.

it wopuld be like the ncaa contacting a sports fan at large cause they thought miami should be in the top 25.

come on man.

[Greek Tragedy]

I don't think anyone is pressuring you to do anything. Some of us are just disagreeing with you!  We are using various forms of information to back up our views.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	UW-Stevens Point	18-0	won at UW-Platteville, 76-61; won at UW-La Crosse, 91-72
#2	594	Wooster	15-2	def. Allegheny, 73-68; LOST at #35 DePauw, 74-78
#3	581	Cabrini	16-0	def. Marywood, 82-68; def. Neumann, 94-68; won at Keystone, 94-84
#4	513	Illinois Wesleyan	15-3	def. North Central (Ill.), 72-57; LOST at T#44 Carthage, 73-80
#5	501	WPI	16-1	def. Clark, 81-69; won at Wheaton (Mass.), 83-69
#6	494	Amherst	15-2	won at #9 Williams, 82-70; won at Trinity (Conn.), 67-61
#7	460	UW-Whitewater	15-3	LOST at UW-La Crosse, 83-88; won at UW-River Falls, 62-42
#8	447	Washington U.	14-2	won at Case Western Reserve, 77-64; won at Carnegie Mellon, 94-81
#9	424	Williams	14-3	LOST to #6 Amherst, 70-82; def. Hamilton, 88-68
#10	395	St. Thomas	13-3	LOST at St. John's, 69-77; def. #34 Augsburg, 82-70
#11	373	St. Norbert	15-1	won at Beloit, 76-56; def. Cornell, 84-62
#12	331	Wesley	15-1	won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 66-63; won at Southern Virginia, 84-65
#13	329	Augustana	15-3	def. Millikin, 72-57; LOST at Elmhurst, 74-83
#14	219	SUNY-Purchase	14-0	01/21 at Yeshiva postponed; won at Sage, 76-73; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.), 67-63
#15	211	Mary Washington	15-2	def. Southern Virginia, 113-79; won at York (Pa.), 63-57
#16	182	Virginia Wesleyan	13-4	LOST at T#44 Randolph-Macon, 62-78; def. Washington and Lee, 85-54
#17	178	Messiah	14-2	won at Widener, 95-87; LOST at Hood, 77-78
#18	170	Wittenberg	14-3	won at Kenyon, 66-54; won at Allegheny, 61-43
#19	162	Ohio Wesleyan	14-3	def. Oberlin, 81-72; def. Denison, 83-75
#20	159	Albertus Magnus	15-1	def. Rivier, 73-52; def. Elms, 113-97; won at Lasell, 101-91
#21	149	Oglethorpe	15-2	LOST to Centre, 47-52; def. Sewanee, 82-69
#22	123	Bowdoin	15-1	def. Maine-Presque Isle, 82-51; def. Colby, 64-59
#23	78	Brockport State	14-1	def. Buffalo State, 84-69; won at Oneonta State, 81-79; won at New Paltz State, 78-69
#24	74	St. Mary's (Md.)	12-4	01/22 vs. #33 Christopher Newport postponed; won at Marymount, 52-49
#25	40	Dubuque	16-1	won at Coe, 66-56; LOST at Loras, 66-76

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	38	Dickinson	14-3	LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 58-67; won at Swarthmore, 80-52
#27	33	Mount Union	13-3	LOST at Capital, 70-88; won at Muskingum, 73-50
#28	27	Whitworth	13-4	won at Whitman, 84-80; def. Lewis and Clark, 81-65
#29	24	Texas-Dallas	15-1	won at University of the Ozarks, 84-63; def. University of the Ozarks, 97-76; def. Texas-Tyler, 76-72
#30	21	William Paterson	14-4	won at John Jay, 91-71; def. TCNJ, 83-56; LOST at T#31 Richard Stockton, 57-81
T#31	20	Stevenson	13-4	LOST at Elizabethtown, 63-65; def. Arcadia, 80-78
T#31	20	Richard Stockton	14-3	LOST to Brooklyn, 55-63; def. #30 William Paterson, 81-57
#33	18	Christopher Newport	12-4	01/22 at #24 St. Mary's (Md.) postponed; won at Frostburg State, 84-41
#34	16	Augsburg	11-6	def. St. Mary's (Minn.), 97-60; LOST at #10 St. Thomas, 70-82; LOST at St. Olaf, 63-82
#35	15	DePauw	13-4	won at Wabash, 70-60; def. #2 Wooster, 78-74
T#36	11	Colorado College	12-4	won at Johnson & Wales (CO), 75-65; def. Southwestern, 74-57; LOST to Trinity (Texas), 48-63
T#36	11	Rose-Hulman	13-4	LOST at Hanover, 62-67; def. Transylvania, 66-38
#38	10	St. Vincent	15-2	def. Waynesburg, 87-68
#39	9	Springfield	13-4	won at Coast Guard, 73-60; def. Clark, 94-76
#40	8	Calvin	13-4	def. Trine, 71-49; won at Olivet, 95-53
#41	7	Babson	13-4	def. #43 MIT, 65-47; def. Coast Guard, 76-56
#42	6	Emory	12-4	won at New York University, 86-82; won at Brandeis, 94-88
#43	5	MIT	12-4	LOST at #41 Babson, 47-65; def. Emerson, 71-66
T#44	3	Randolph-Macon	13-4	def. #16 Virginia Wesleyan, 78-62; won at Roanoke, 70-57
T#44	3	Hampden-Sydney	10-7	LOST at Guilford, 72-74; LOST at Randolph, 73-76
T#44	3	Staten Island	15-2	def. Kean, 83-72; def. York (N.Y.), 80-75; def. Brooklyn, 86-58
T#44	3	Carthage	12-6	LOST at Elmhurst, 70-73; def. #4 Illinois Wesleyan, 80-73
#48	2	Eastern Connecticut	13-4	def. Keene State, 84-53; won at Rhode Island College, 73-58
T#49	1	Geneseo State	13-2	def. Fredonia State, 79-63; won at New Paltz State, 92-82; won at Oneonta State, 83-69
T#49	1	Marietta	13-4	def. Capital, 82-72; won at Wilmington, 78-76
T#49	1	Scranton	14-3	won at Drew, 82-72; def. Catholic, 92-82

Other teams to watch (as suggested by posters on this board)

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
---	---	Penn State-Behrend	14-3	won at Hilbert, 55-52; def. Pitt-Bradford, 69-57; LOST at Pitt-Greensburg, 61-65
---	---	Plattsburgh State	13-3	def. Potsdam State, 73-58; won at Buffalo State, 87-83; won at Fredonia State, 77-42

[hplc2222]

I watched part of the game at carthage last night on here. They do it up. Huge crowd of fans, the introductions are over the top like it was the knicks at madison square garden or something.

They treat it like big time.

Stockton be lucky to get 50 paying fans in the 3000 seat sports arena, located about 100 yards from the dorms.

I wonder if that has anything to do with this appearant skew I have mentioned from time to time.

[iwumichigander]

The man behind the curtain, some call him Oz, gets the 25th vote.

My opinion is that Richard Stockton may lose votes. The loss to Brooklyn hurts more than their win vs William Paterson, IMHO.

Agree.  RS lost in their house to a 5-11 BC does not hep get votes.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

but a lot of people lost games everyone cant move down, so, just have to see. 23 people acutaly make up the vote, but 6 billion people give or take a billion, have the right to make up their own top 25 for fun.

I have to admitt I feel pressured on here for weeks, since i started on this site, to somehow - fall in line- with the way the vote goes.

the guy from hoopesville was even saying he tried to explain to me 3 times that i shouldnt put stockton in my list.

i just have to ignore the pressure and have the entertainment and enjoyment i want out of it.

it wopuld be like the ncaa contacting a sports fan at large cause they thought miami should be in the top 25.

come on man.

Nothing like misspelling the show's name while trying to indicate I said something I didn't. I have not explained to you three times that you shouldn't put stockton on your list. You are welcome to... but I have explained when you have asked why I haven't put them on my list. That is a big difference. You are welcome to your opinion as I have mine, but it doesn't mean I don't disagree with your opinion.

Back to the voters... 25 total... three from each of the eight regions, comprised of coaches, SIDs, and media members. I am one of those voters and I believe I represent the Mid-Atlantic Region (being one of the three from that region). Pat Coleman is the 25th vote and does not represent a specific region. And not one person votes only on teams from his region and such. However, most of those in their regions have that frame of reference, so you do get teams who get a few votes spread out across the country. I myself may "represent" the MA region, but I take a much more national look at things - though this year there have been a number of MA teams who have deserved Top 25 attention unlike many recent years.

[hplc2222]

i never asked why they werent on your list. i have never seen your list, so how could i comment or ask about it.

well, maybe it is my perception,....about being pressured

the media gets their say -- you have an internet tv show,.. and their are writers on d3hoops that get their say.

i read some of it, watch some of it,. very little commentary or opinion in d3 sports on the part of the media.

patrick ewing misses a finger roll in a game 7 of a conference finals the media is all over him with commetary

a kid in d3 misses a finger roll that could have won the game for his team,-- no commetary from the media in articles about the game

i think this is one of the differences i am experiencing.

instead of talking about the players, the teams, and the games, the media, as i perceive it, as you are part of the media, are directly adressing fans opinions ---- but dont cover the sport the way the big sports are covered
, and maybe thats by the nature of d3 in general

[Pat Coleman]

oh, ok, people are picking stockton at any rate

Before the loss to Brooklyn, yes.