Top 25 talk

[pjunito]

i never asked why they werent on your list. i have never seen your list, so how could i comment or ask about it.

well, maybe it is my perception,....about being pressured

the media gets their say -- you have an internet tv show,.. and their are writers on d3hoops that get their say.

i read some of it, watch some of it,. very little commentary or opinion in d3 sports on the part of the media.

patrick ewing misses a finger roll in a game 7 of a conference finals the media is all over him with commetary

a kid in d3 misses a finger roll that could have won the game for his team,-- no commetary from the media in articles about the game

i think this is one of the differences i am experiencing.

instead of talking about the players, the teams, and the games, the media, as i perceive it, as you are part of the media, are directly adressing fans opinions ---- but dont cover the sport the way the big sports are covered
, and maybe thats by the nature of d3 in general

hp.. I enjoy reading your post. You are passionate about Stockton Basketball and that is a good thing. I think everyone in these forums are passionate about d3 basketball and the schools they root for. I have no issues with you putting anyone in your top 25 at all..

But, I don't think other people need to agree with your ballet just because you get to high five the starting forward from RS.

You and everyone else have the right to their opinions and in reality the only thing that will change anything (in top 25 or anywhere else) is what happens on the court. If Stockton keeps winning, their will get votes.. if they win their conference, they go to the NCAA tournament.. there, they can prove to anyone how good they are.

One other note... I think your idea of media coverage for D3 sports is a little off. The "media" job is to sell their product ( they do this by reporting stories that are attractive to their viewers or readers). I believe D3hoops does a great job of this, but they can't have a person covering every single men and women team in division 3, not possible. So, they draw on national stories and have fun with the boards.

I'm enjoying all of the post over the last 17 day... Keep them coming.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

My guess at this weeks Top 25. Last week I had 23 of 25.

1)uw stevens point----------------18-0
2)cabrini----------------------------16-0
3)wpi---------------------------- ---16-1
4)wooster---------------------------15-2
5)amherst---------------------------15-2
6)washington u---------------------13-2
7)illinois wesleyan------------------15-3
8)wesley-----------------------------15-1
9)mary washington-----------------15-2
10)st norbert------------------------15-1
11)williams--------------------------14-3
12)uw whitewater------------------ 15-3
13)st thomas------------------------13-3
14)suny purchase-------------------14-0
15)albertus magnus-----------------15-1
16)bowdoin--------------------------15-1
17)augustana------------------------15-3
18)ohio wesleyan--------------------14-3
19)st marys md---------------------.12-4
20)messiah---------------------------14-2
21)wittenberg------------------------14-3
22)oglethorpe------------------------15-2
23)brockport state-------------------14-1
24)richard stockton------------------14-3
25)virginia wesleyan-----------------13-4

other teams considered:::
dubuque 16-1, texas-dallas 15-1, dickinson 16-1, whitworth 13-4, depauw 13-4

Just so we can see how hard it is to manage to get all but 2 or 3 teams here's my prediction for the new top 25... not my personal ranking (still have to work on that for the fan poll)

1) UW-Stevens Point
2) Cabrini
3) Wooster
4) WPI
5) Amherst
6) WashU
7) Illinois Wesleyan
8) St Norbert
9) Wesley
10) Williams
11) UW-Whitewater
12) St Thomas
13) SUNY-Purchase
14) Mary Washington
15) Wittenberg
16) Ohio Wesleyan
17) Albertus Magnus
18) Augustana
19) Bowdoin
20) Brockport St
21) Virginia Wesleyan
22) St Mary's
23) Whitworth
24) Texas-Dallas
25) Messiah

Compared to the last ranking I think Oglethorpe and Dubuque drop while Whitworth and UT-Dallas climb in. The next four teams (in alphabetical order) are Christopher Newport, Depauw, Dubuque, and Oglethorpe

[hplc2222]

if the 3 voters from the atlantic region all put stockton number 1, that would be 75 points, enough to get them in the top 25 maybe.lol

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I know at least one of the voters in that region... pretty sure he isn't going to do that ROFL

[hplc2222]

If Stockton had beat Brooklyn, didnt have the off game like that, and were 15-2. They would be 1 of 19 teams with at least 15 wins, and 1 of only 16 teams with at least 15 wins no more than 2 losses.

0 loss - 3
1 loss - 8
2 loss- 10
3 loss -16
4 loss - 45

I hope no one votes for a team with 5 losses or 6 losses this week.

Voters from the south will vote for Texas Dallas, from  the west Whitworth, from the altantic Stockton

I see it now I think.

Like I said weeks ago, wveryone knows who the Top 20 teams are

It is 21-25 thats hard, and really goes all the way out to 51 teams by voters

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

If everyone knew who the Top 25 teams are... we wouldn't have had 51 teams getting votes last week.

And IF Stockton beat Brooklyn... we can't live in that world. You like to talk about ifs and assumptions of wins in the future...

And back to not knowing my Top 25... I post it each week on Monday night or Tuesday morning. It is in the "Daily Dose" on the front page and we tweet it out as well (@d3hoopsville). You do a lot of research for stuff here, but you don't seem to do a lot of research in general.

[hplc2222]

I put this up the other day, but I think it is worth revisiting

Below are the 17 teams that ranked #21 to #37 last vote, showing the teams they lost to in season

If Dubuque is dropping out, the question really becomes which team ranked between 26-37 last vote is the 25th best team in the nation.

They all have losses, and maybe it is Texas Dallas, with the one loss to Trinity.

But the voters know more than me.

However if voters are basing the votes for 21-25 on region and not on merit, than it becomes something harder to see or understand

Thats why I have been repeatedly told it is about conferences and how many wins they get in the NCAA tourney.

But that doesnt explain why ramapo was ranked well inside the top 25 last year at a time i guess.

anyone of those teams 26-37 last time could be inside the top 25 if they didnt have 1 or 2 close losses that they took.

so it is really close among them all i think



oglethorpe----------------------15-2 #21- I have at 22
lagrange 10-7 by 8, Centre 12-3 by 5

bowdoin-------------------------15-1 #22  I have at 16
williams 16-1 by 5

brockport state---------------14-1 #23 I have at 23
suny purchase 14-0 by 8

st marys md-------------------12-4 #24 I have at 19
cabrini 16-0 by 6,  desales 10-7 by 10, mary washington 15-2 by 2, wesley 15-1 by 3,

dubuque-------------------------16-1 #25 I dropped out
loras 11-6 by 10

dickinson------------------------14-3 #26
juniata 12-5 by 2, randplf macon 13-4 by 6, franklin and marshal 12-5 by 9

mount union--------------------13-3 #27
bethany 14-4 by 18, rochester 7-8 by 7, capital 8-9 by 18

whitworth------------------------ 13-4 #28
colorado college 12-4 by 5, colorado college 12-4 by 16, uw stevens point 18-0 by 18,
george fox 12-5 by 13

texas-dallas---------------------15-1 #29
trinity 11-7 by 5

william paterson--------------14-4 #30
brooklyn 5-12 by 2, rutgers newark 13-5 by 2, ramapo 7-11 by 3,
richard stockton 14-3 by 24

stevenson------------------------13-4 #31
birmingham southern 9-6 by 1, oglethorpe 15-2 by 1, albright 10-7 by 7,
elizabethtown 7-10 by 2

richard stockton---------------14-3 #32
william paterson 14-4 by 2, montclair state 6-11 by 1, brooklyn 5-12 by 8

christopher newport-----------12-4 #33
emory 11-4 by 2, wesley 15-1 by 18, penn state harrisburg 6-11 by 3,
mary washington 15-2 by 11

augsuburg-------------------------11-6 #34
st thomas 13-3 by 18, gustavus adolphus 12-5 by 20,
concordia moorehead 8-9 by 9, uw whitewater 15-3 by 8,
st thomas 13-3 by 12, st olaf 13-4 by 19

depauw ---------------------------13-4 #35
washington u 14-2 by 11, wooster 15-2 by 16, rose hulman 13-4 by 3,
ohio wesleyan 14-3 by 11

colorado college-------------- 12-4 #36
northern colorado by 39, babson 13-4 by 3, schreiner 9-8 by 13,
trinity texas 11-7 by 15

rose-hulman---------------------13-4 #37
washington u 14-2 by 20, carroll 9-7 by 3, translyvania 6-11 by 3,
hanover 11-6 by 5

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

My comment about voting per region shouldn't be misconstrued into they are deciding teams that way over merit. I am indicating that teams are being selected based on their merit from those voters who may feel a team in their region has more merit than a team another voter feels strongly about in their region. They are all based on merit of some kind... not some conscious or unconscious rule that they have to have x amount of teams from their region.

And you put teams up that have x, y, z number of losses ... but comparing those records is not apples to apples.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

In your list of teams, look at the total records of the teams that each of them lost to (for example Oglethorpe has 2 losses to a combined 22-10 opponent record).  When you do that you will see that there is 1, just 1 team who has lost to a combined record under .500.  Richard Stockton (3 losses to a combined 25-27 record).

You have to consider who they lost to, not just the fact that they lost.

[GnacBballFan]

if the 3 voters from the atlantic region all put stockton number 1, that would be 75 points, enough to get them in the top 25 maybe.lol

They lost at home to Brooklyn lol not happening

[GnacBballFan]

And yes I think that was sarcasm from hp, but after all these posts idk to be honest lol

[hplc2222]

would a one point win against a 7-9 team be better than a [point loss? UW stevens point had a close one this season too i think in vegas.
if i were to be really sacrcastic id say they shaved points-- but that would be just stupid and bitter.

[hplc2222]

I really did not want to know this much about the process. I did not join here, and come on here for the purpose of learning all this stuff.

But for many years I would come to the site to see the Top 25 list each week, to see if stockton got on it--- like magic

mystery of it.

now a lot of the mystery is gone

too complicated to figure of the records of who lost to who, then carry it out 3-4 removed times out , so on and so fourth

other factors are involved

like days of week games are played-- for example if a team is used to playing on wednesdays and saturdays, and they throw in a monday or sunday game, thats tuff

or you might get up for a great team and win, then be so beat up lose to a worse team

the best teams rise to the top through this

this is why everyone right now with 3 or less losses- 37 teams-- are all up for condieration in my book

0 loss (3)
uw stevens point-------------18-0  #1 
cabrini-----------------------  16-0  #3
suny purchase----------------14-0  #14

1 loss (8)
wpi------------------------------16-1 #5
st norbert-----------------------15-1 #11
wesley--------------------------15-1 #12
albertus magnus---------------15-1 #20
bowdoin------------------------15-1 #22
brockport state-----------------14-1 #23
dubuque------------------------16-1 #25
texas-dallas---------------------15-1 #29


2 loss (10)
wooster--------------------------15-2  #2
amherst--------------------------15-2 #6 
washington u--------------------14-2  #8
mary washington----------------15-2 #15
messiah-------------------------14-2 #17
oglethorpe----------------------15-2 #21
st vincent-----------------------15-2  #38
staten island--------------------15-2 # 46
genesco state-------------------13-2 #49
husson--------------------------14-2  no votes

3 loss (16)
illinois wesleyan----------------15-3  #4
uw whitewater---------------- -15-3 #7
williams-------------------------14-3 #9
st thomas---------------------- 13-3 #10
augustana----------------------15-3 #13
wittenberg----------------------14-3 #18
ohio wesleyan------------------14-3 #19
dickinson------------------------14-3 #26
mount union--------------------13-3 #27
richard stockton----------------14-3 #32
scranton-------------------------14-3 #51
penn state behrend-------------14-3 no votes
hilbert----------------------------14-3 no votes
centre--------------------------- 13-3 no votes
vassar----------------------------13-3 no votes
plattsburg state------------------13-3 no votes

[KnightSlappy]

I just ran all the numbers, and it turns out that Richard Stockton is the best team in D3. Also, it's looking like Rust will end up with all of the All-Americans.

[smedindy]

I just ran all the numbers, and it turns out that Richard Stockton is the best team in D3. Also, it's looking like Rust will end up with all of the All-Americans.

Oh, you know it's true!