Top 25 talk

[GnacBballFan]

Pj, you realize we just jinxed albertus into losing to JWU tomorrow right?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Gnac - you actually raise points that are a concern... not being able to put away opponents and making sure they get past Johnson and Wales. I have a wait and see approach right now... and now they have beaten Purchase which I waited on... and now I will see how they finish the week.

pj - I have seen AMC on video and while I see your points, they still don't blow me away. Quick point guard is nice, but it isn't like they are playing against the same competition they will see in the NCAA tournament. Three guys averaging 16+ points a game is nice, but most of their games are in a conference where that shouldn't surprise people. Sure, they played a lot of games on the road in the out-of-conference season, but there isn't a team on that list that blows me away:
- Lehman (10-8 & 5-5 in a weak CUNYAC)
- Mitchell (12-4 and 8-1 in a weak NECC)
- Newbury (1-16 and 1-7 in a weak NECC)
- New Jersey City (10-7 and 6-5 in an average NJAC)
- Central Connecticut State (sure D1... but they are 5-14 and 1-5 in the NEC)
- Elms (8-10 and 6-3 in the weak NECC)
- Purchase State (14-1 and 8-0 in the weak CUNYAC)

Out of conference, Division III opponent record: 55-46 with an SOS of roughly .460.

There has to be better competition than playing CUNYAC and NECC teams. They are in Connecticut, the LEC would be a good fit, so would NEWMAC teams. Yes, the conference isn't great, but that is when you take it upon yourself to find better competition outside of the conference and AMC doesn't have that on their resume. This team will be out of the NCAA tournament if they don't win the automatic qualifier.

[Just Bill]

hplc2222 (if we choose to believe him) was a college graduate and (from the dates he claimed for attending Stockton) was 50+ years old.  Absolutely no excuse for his behavior.

He was not a novice.  Scroll through the Atlantic Region NJAC and the "Top 25" he created as a thread.  He was perfectly capable of writing clearly and typing without errors.

Oh my goodness. I didn't realize that. He was actually using English over there. Punctuation! Capitalization! It's unbelievable. What on earth was he playing at? I guess it doesn't matter now.

[GnacBballFan]

Gnac - you actually raise points that are a concern... not being able to put away opponents and making sure they get past Johnson and Wales. I have a wait and see approach right now... and now they have beaten Purchase which I waited on... and now I will see how they finish the week.

pj - I have seen AMC on video and while I see your points, they still don't blow me away. Quick point guard is nice, but it isn't like they are playing against the same competition they will see in the NCAA tournament. Three guys averaging 16+ points a game is nice, but most of their games are in a conference where that shouldn't surprise people. Sure, they played a lot of games on the road in the out-of-conference season, but there isn't a team on that list that blows me away:
- Lehman (10-8 & 5-5 in a weak CUNYAC)
- Mitchell (12-4 and 8-1 in a weak NECC)
- Newbury (1-16 and 1-7 in a weak NECC)
- New Jersey City (10-7 and 6-5 in an average NJAC)
- Central Connecticut State (sure D1... but they are 5-14 and 1-5 in the NEC)
- Elms (8-10 and 6-3 in the weak NECC)
- Purchase State (14-1 and 8-0 in the weak CUNYAC)

Out of conference, Division III opponent record: 55-46 with an SOS of roughly .460.

There has to be better competition than playing CUNYAC and NECC teams. They are in Connecticut, the LEC would be a good fit, so would NEWMAC teams. Yes, the conference isn't great, but that is when you take it upon yourself to find better competition outside of the conference and AMC doesn't have that on their resume. This team will be out of the NCAA tournament if they don't win the automatic qualifier.

Dave I won't disagree with your points as I can see why you are waiting on then. The only one I guess I will disagree with is central ct state. They are still d1 scholarship players regardless of their record which is against other d1 opponents. It's most likely the best team albertus will face this yr regardless of whom they may run into

[GnacBballFan]

Gnac - you actually raise points that are a concern... not being able to put away opponents and making sure they get past Johnson and Wales. I have a wait and see approach right now... and now they have beaten Purchase which I waited on... and now I will see how they finish the week.

pj - I have seen AMC on video and while I see your points, they still don't blow me away. Quick point guard is nice, but it isn't like they are playing against the same competition they will see in the NCAA tournament. Three guys averaging 16+ points a game is nice, but most of their games are in a conference where that shouldn't surprise people. Sure, they played a lot of games on the road in the out-of-conference season, but there isn't a team on that list that blows me away:
- Lehman (10-8 & 5-5 in a weak CUNYAC)
- Mitchell (12-4 and 8-1 in a weak NECC)
- Newbury (1-16 and 1-7 in a weak NECC)
- New Jersey City (10-7 and 6-5 in an average NJAC)
- Central Connecticut State (sure D1... but they are 5-14 and 1-5 in the NEC)
- Elms (8-10 and 6-3 in the weak NECC)
- Purchase State (14-1 and 8-0 in the weak CUNYAC)

Out of conference, Division III opponent record: 55-46 with an SOS of roughly .460.

There has to be better competition than playing CUNYAC and NECC teams. They are in Connecticut, the LEC would be a good fit, so would NEWMAC teams. Yes, the conference isn't great, but that is when you take it upon yourself to find better competition outside of the conference and AMC doesn't have that on their resume. This team will be out of the NCAA tournament if they don't win the automatic qualifier.

And the only other point I'll bring up is that they are 20th in the Massey after last night. Not even sure if that prices anything but is worth noting

[GnacBballFan]

Means* jeez I feel like Hp with these typos

[Greek Tragedy]

Dave...

Do you take non conference SOS into consideration?  Teams like Purchase, Albertus play in weak conference.. Conference combine record is 77-90, that's TGHIJGSTO^TM!!!  There is nothing Albertus can do about that other than win their games by a healthy margin (Which they have, winning by an average of 16.6 points per game). They played on the road a lot this season and have 3 players who average over 16 points a game. And they have the quickest guard in the nation by far. I don't think you have seen them play Dave. If you have, no way they are not already in your top 25.

[pjunito]

Hey Dave,

you make great points.. Would love for Oliver to schedule more competitive games... I don't think he isn't trying to. It is odd that no Western CT, no Wesleyan, and no Trinity this year. Albertus use to play these teams all the time, and also played Coast Guard and Conn College. None of these teams are on the schedule this year for various reasons. Albertus scrimmaged WPI this year, but no actual game.  This will always hurt their SOS.. But, no of the teams I just mentioned (besides WPI) are having great seasons. So, it's not like they dumped great teams off their schedule.

But, your points are valid and I can't argue with the SOS and the quality of the GNAC.

However, I do disagree on the automatic qualifier. Albertus could be ranked third in the region at the end of the year. I think they have a legit shot at getting one of the Pool C bids...


GNAC< I didn't mean to jinx.. If Albertus beats JWU and St. Joes this week... And If they continue to play well.

[pjunito]

Dave...

Do you take non conference SOS into consideration?  Teams like Purchase, Albertus play in weak conference.. Conference combine record is 77-90, that's TGHIJGSTO^TM!!!  There is nothing Albertus can do about that other than win their games by a healthy margin (Which they have, winning by an average of 16.6 points per game). They played on the road a lot this season and have 3 players who average over 16 points a game. And they have the quickest guard in the nation by far. I don't think you have seen them play Dave. If you have, no way they are not already in your top 25.

Thanks Greek. Didn't know if the ^tm was officially recognized yet.

[GnacBballFan]

Gnac - you actually raise points that are a concern... not being able to put away opponents and making sure they get past Johnson and Wales. I have a wait and see approach right now... and now they have beaten Purchase which I waited on... and now I will see how they finish the week.

pj - I have seen AMC on video and while I see your points, they still don't blow me away. Quick point guard is nice, but it isn't like they are playing against the same competition they will see in the NCAA tournament. Three guys averaging 16+ points a game is nice, but most of their games are in a conference where that shouldn't surprise people. Sure, they played a lot of games on the road in the out-of-conference season, but there isn't a team on that list that blows me away:
- Lehman (10-8 & 5-5 in a weak CUNYAC)
- Mitchell (12-4 and 8-1 in a weak NECC)
- Newbury (1-16 and 1-7 in a weak NECC)
- New Jersey City (10-7 and 6-5 in an average NJAC)
- Central Connecticut State (sure D1... but they are 5-14 and 1-5 in the NEC)
- Elms (8-10 and 6-3 in the weak NECC)
- Purchase State (14-1 and 8-0 in the weak CUNYAC)

Out of conference, Division III opponent record: 55-46 with an SOS of roughly .460.

There has to be better competition than playing CUNYAC and NECC teams. They are in Connecticut, the LEC would be a good fit, so would NEWMAC teams. Yes, the conference isn't great, but that is when you take it upon yourself to find better competition outside of the conference and AMC doesn't have that on their resume. This team will be out of the NCAA tournament if they don't win the automatic qualifier.

I guess I shoulda never said I don't disagree with you lol. But another thing is, you said it worries you albertus might not be able to put teams away. But why is that? Besides last night, in a game they didn't put away but managed to win by 8, what other game have they failed to put away? I don't wanna turn this into an albertus saga like Richard Stockton, just some fair points being questioned is all

[pjunito]

TGHIJGSTO^TM!!!   GNAC   TGHIJGSTO^TM!!!


Dave, I think the reason GNAC and I are so gitty... (Can I use "gitty" in a sports forum or did that go out of style in the 90's? ) is because we've seen other Albertus teams, probably seen over 150 games last 8 years. And we've been gitty about two other teams the 2009-10 team and the 2011-12 team (both went to second round of NCAA tournaments). But, this team is so much better than any of those.

But, again.. Dave, I respect your opinion and enjoy listening to Hoopsville and reading you daily dose. Keep up the good work.

[northb]

TGHIJGSTO^TM!!!   GNAC   TGHIJGSTO^TM!!!


Dave, I think the reason GNAC and I are so gittygiddy... (Can I use "gittygiddy" in a sports forum or did that go out of style in the 90's? ) is because we've seen other Albertus teams, probably seen over 150 games last 8 years. And we've been gitty giddy about two other teams the 2009-10 team and the 2011-12 team (both went to second round of NCAA tournaments). But, this team is so much better than any of those.

But, again.. Dave, I respect your opinion and enjoy listening to Hoopsville and reading you daily dose. Keep up the good work.

fixed it for you, and yes you can use it

[KnightSlappy]

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html?m=1

Is this the most up-to-date efficency rankings? Dated 12/18/13

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-basketball-efficiency.html

These numbers are now five days old, but more updated than the previous set.

NOTE: These are completely different than the numbers I've been running for the Pool C board (and sending to Dave for Hoopsville). The SOS here is NOT the NCAA's SOS.

[David Collinge]

TGHIJGSTO^TM!!!

You sure you want to be paying royalties on this? To....him?

[Greek Tragedy]

I bought the rights to TGHJIGSTO^TM