Top 25 talk

[KnightSlappy]

I wish one of you guys with time on their hands would KenPom this thing. I think some of you do, but publish it with bells and whistles and orangutangs.

I do know it's nigh near impossible to get all of the box scores, etc. because some teams are reluctant or worse.

I had the spreadsheet started and updated through late January, but it was just too much to keep up with. Having to copy/paste box score data from each game took too much time.

Maybe if we had an army of volunteers chipping in...

Someone take 3-4 conferences each?

I also ran into the issue of some box scores being incomplete or incorrect.

Mayhaps I'll share a google document with my schedule page and anyone that wants to can fill in some games. If we get there then great. If not, then we don't.

(I can tell you that, through February 3, I had Cabrini #15)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Of COURSE the SOS doesn't measue how good a team Cabrini is Dave. SOS measures STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE, it's not a power ranking. Big difference.

Also, the NCAA's SOS (or any SOS defined as 2/3 OWP and 1/3 OOWP) doesn't necessarily do a good job of defining a team's actual strength of schedule. And WP and SOS would mean much more if you could also add in MOV. But then we're basically back to Massey.

Right.  It comes back to confidence.  You can look at Team A and Team B and say, "they both look pretty good."  If Team A has a strong SOS and Team B has a weak SOS - that doesn't necessarily change your opinion that they're similarly talented teams, it just gives you more confidence for one and less for the other.

It's still a judgment call.

I am not a stat guy or someone great with metrics.  I'm sure there are fantastic ways to figure out a real power ranking - figuring in pace of play and team tendencies and actual performance, etc.  I'm still not sure we'd get enough cross pollination in d3 for that to work on more than a regional level, though.

[madzillagd]

The current Top 10 with their NCAA primary/secondary data:

#1 UWSP      5-1-0   .587   
#2 UWWW    3-1-0   .572
#3 Wash U    6-2-0   .601
#4 IWU         5-2-0   .558
#5 St Nor      0-1-0   .496  1-0-0
#6 Cabrini     2-0-0   .492
#7 Amherst   8-0-0   .588   0-1-0
#8 Wooster   5-1-0   .556   1-1-0
#9 Williams   4-2-0   .558   1-0-0
#10 Wesley   3-0-0   .521   

[Pat Coleman]

The current Top 10 with their NCAA primary/secondary data:

#1 UWSP      5-1-0   .587   
#2 UWWW    3-1-0   .572
#3 Wash U    6-2-0   .601
#4 IWU         5-2-0   .558
#5 St Nor      0-1-0   .496  1-0-0
#6 Cabrini     2-0-0   .492
#7 Amherst   8-0-0   .588   0-1-0
#8 Wooster   5-1-0   .556   1-1-0
#9 Williams   4-2-0   .558   1-0-0
#10 Wesley   3-0-0   .521

Leaves off one pretty important one.

[madzillagd]

We get to see the W/L on the list every week so I figured I didn't need to add that too. 

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Upset watch in Franklin... Grizzlies lead #24 Rose-Hulman 59-50 more than halfway through the 2nd half on Senior Night

[Greek Tragedy]

Not looking good now. 69-66, RH with 24 seconds to go. No upset for the Grizz

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Not looking good now. 69-66, RH with 24 seconds to go. No upset for the Grizz

This is Indiana... no lead in any sport is ever safe
RHIT went on a 14-2 run after being down 64-57. But now with Franklin down 71-66 Grizzlies get a quick 3 and steal the inbounds. Couldn't get the shot to tie fall though and Rose survives 71-69.

[Greek Tragedy]

The wheels have completely fallen off the Dubuque bandwagon. They just lost their 3rd in a row.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

(deleted-complete report below)

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (Complete)

The final report for the season.

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	624	UW-Stevens Point	24-1	won at UW-Oshkosh, 70-51; def. UW-Stout, 72-49
#2	575	UW-Whitewater	22-3	won at UW-Eau Claire, 82-57
#3	567	Washington U.	22-2	def. Case Western Reserve, 87-61; def. Carnegie Mellon, 83-79
#4	526	Illinois Wesleyan	22-3	def. North Park, 107-61; won at #32 Wheaton (Ill.), 97-88
#5	508	St. Norbert	22-1	won at Ripon, 78-62; def. Illinois College, 90-63
#6	496	Cabrini	23-1	won at Neumann, 84-72; def. Keystone, 86-73; def. Immaculata, 77-66
#7	492	Amherst	22-3	def. Colby, 82-72
#8	444	Wooster	22-3	won at Allegheny, 89-57; def. Oberlin, 82-53
#9	443	Williams	22-3	def. Tufts, 87-77
#10	391	Wesley	22-2	def. Penn State-Harrisburg, 70-40; def. T#44 St. Mary's (Md.), 64-62
#11	379	St. Thomas	21-4	won at Gustavus Adolphus, 73-68; LOST to St. John's, 69-76
#12	333	WPI	22-3	def. Wheaton (Mass.), 58-46; won at Clark, 65-60
#13	297	Whitworth	20-5	def. Whitman, 79-76; LOST at Lewis and Clark, 70-73
#14	279	Brockport State	22-3	LOST at Oswego State, 83-95; def. New Paltz State, 86-66; def. Oneonta State, 86-71
#15	273	Albertus Magnus	23-2	won at Johnson and Wales, 96-81; def. Emmanuel, 95-78
#16	267	SUNY-Purchase	23-2	won at NYU-Poly, 78-55; def. Sage, 84-65; LOST at St. Joseph's (L.I.), 61-65
#17	228	Texas-Dallas	22-3	won at Concordia (Texas), 94-72; LOST at Mary Hardin-Baylor, 71-75
#18	122	Ohio Wesleyan	19-6	won at Oberlin, 93-60; LOST to #36 DePauw, 63-64
#19	99	Mary Washington	20-5	won at Southern Virginia, 103-97; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 82-56
#20	95	Randolph-Macon	20-5	def. Hampden-Sydney, 90-67; won at Washington and Lee, 68-62
#21	73	Staten Island	24-2	def. Medgar Evers, 111-65; def. CCNY, 85-47
#22	62	Wittenberg	19-6	def. Kenyon, 80-71; won at Hiram, 86-60
#23	50	Centre	20-4	def. Hendrix, 71-55; def. Rhodes, 70-52
#24	48	Rose-Hulman	20-5	won at Franklin, 71-69; LOST at Mount St. Joseph, 57-69
#25	46	Scranton	22-3	def. Moravian, 67-61; def. Goucher, 93-76

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	40	Richard Stockton	21-4	won at Rowan, 75-72
#27	39	Bowdoin	19-5	LOST to Trinity (Conn.), 67-71
#28	37	Babson	20-5	won at Coast Guard, 72-63; won at MIT, 53-42
#29	34	Hope	19-6	won at Kalamazoo, 110-78; won at Adrian, 73-56
T#30	31	Augustana (Ill.)	19-6	won at North Park, 91-61
T#30	31	Dickinson	20-5	won at Muhlenberg, 92-86; LOST to Franklin and Marshall, 57-72
#32	30	Wheaton (Ill.)	17-8	LOST to #4 Illinois Wesleyan, 88-97
#33	29	Geneseo State	20-5	LOST at Cortland State, 53-65; def. Oneonta State, 68-63; def. New Paltz State, 79-68
#34	20	Calvin	20-5	def. Olivet, 83-63; def. Albion, 83-57
#35	15	Oglethorpe	19-6	LOST at Birmingham-Southern, 59-75; LOST at Millsaps, 67-75
#36	13	DePauw	18-7	def. Wabash, 75-74; won at #18 Ohio Wesleyan, 64-63
#37	12	Mount Union	20-5	won at #46 Marietta, 81-77; LOST at Wilmington, 77-84
T#38	11	St. Olaf	20-5	def. Macalester, 78-54; won at Bethel, 62-40
T#38	11	Dubuque	21-4	LOST at Buena Vista, 75-77; won at Luther, 72-66
T#38	11	Eastern Connecticut	20-5	def. Western Connecticut, 74-59; won at Southern Maine, 68-58
#41	10	Messiah	19-5	def. Widener, 80-69; LOST at Alvernia, 63-69
#42	9	Plattsburgh State	21-4	won at Potsdam State, 76-61; def. Fredonia State, 87-63; def. Buffalo State, 88-73
#43	8	Virginia Wesleyan	19-6	def. Shenandoah, 93-74; won at Guilford, 75-57
T#44	5	St. Mary's (Md.)	18-7	won at T#47 Christopher Newport, 69-64; LOST at #10 Wesley, 62-64
T#44	5	William Paterson	20-5	won at Ramapo, 81-61
#46	4	Marietta	19-6	LOST to #37 Mount Union, 77-81; def. John Carroll, 94-87
T#47	1	Milwaukee School of Engineering	21-5	def. Wisconsin Lutheran, 84-70; LOST to Edgewood, 70-76
T#47	1	Christopher Newport	17-8	LOST to T#44 St. Mary's (Md.), 64-69; won at Marymount, 59-56
T#47	1	Springfield	19-6	def. Emerson, 76-66; won at Clark, 76-64; def. Coast Guard, 83-60

[monsoon]

Thanks for all of your work with this again this year, Darryl.

[Greek Tragedy]

Great work, like usual. +1

[NEHoopsFan99]

Not entirely sure how 19-6 Hope ended up on the rankings this week. Of all the teams on the Top 25 bubble they're the least impressive in my eyes. Personally I don't think any team with 6 or more losses should be ranked at this point pre-conference tourney. Luckily the NCAA knows better than the polls do.

[John Gleich]

Not entirely sure how 19-6 Hope ended up on the rankings this week. Of all the teams on the Top 25 bubble they're the least impressive in my eyes. Personally I don't think any team with 6 or more losses should be ranked at this point pre-conference tourney. Luckily the NCAA knows better than the polls do.

Of Hope's 6 losses, four of them are to current #1 UW Stevens Point, current #2 UW Whitewater, current #4 IWU, and Cornerstone (MI) currently #3 in NAIA D-I.

Their other two losses were to Wheaton, who finished second in the CCIW and played Saturday night for a share of the conference title and the top seed in their tournament, and Albion, tied for third in the MIAA.

They started the year out 3/4 but have won 16/17.


Sometimes a little more digging is required to understand the rationale of a ranking.  While it does make sense to look at the season as a whole (i.e. the win/loss record), WHO a team beats or loses to matters... as well as how they're doing right now.