Top 25 talk

[sac]

It's been noted they did beat Centre and Carthage, but those games were before the New Year and we are at the end of February.

It's been noted they did lose  to Whitewater and Stevens Point, but those games were before Thanksgiving, we are at the end of February.   

[Greek Tragedy]

Thats not helping your argument for Hope being ranked.   

[madzillagd]

[KnightSlappy]

You're focusing on their losses but what about quality wins? Sure a tough schedule with mostly losses to top teams could be easily outweighed by some quality wins but I don't see it. Who have they beaten that makes them T25 worthy? I don't see having enough quality wins to justify Top 25 status but that's just me.

Who has St. Norbert beaten?
Who has Whitworth beaten?
What about Illinois Welsyan? -- one win over Wash U. that's it, but even Carthage did that and they're not ranked!
What about Wash U? They lost to 2 of their 3 CCIW opponents, and sure, they're undefeated in the UAA, but no one else in the UAA is even ranked!

As far as I can tell, only about four teams deserve to be in the Top 25.

[realist]

It is safe to say that not very many coaches or teams are going to say on selection day:  "Oh goody Hope is in our pod". 

[sac]

You're focusing on their losses but what about quality wins? Sure a tough schedule with mostly losses to top teams could be easily outweighed by some quality wins but I don't see it. Who have they beaten that makes them T25 worthy? I don't see having enough quality wins to justify Top 25 status but that's just me.

Who has St. Norbert beaten?
Who has Whitworth beaten?
What about Illinois Welsyan? -- one win over Wash U. that's it, but even Carthage did that and they're not ranked!
What about Wash U? They lost to 2 of their 3 CCIW opponents, and sure, they're undefeated in the UAA, but no one else in the UAA is even ranked!

As far as I can tell, only about four teams deserve to be in the Top 25.

Pretty much outlines in short form the difficulty of ranking a division that stays mostly regional and plays a limited 25 game schedule.

[smedindy]

You're focusing on their losses but what about quality wins? Sure a tough schedule with mostly losses to top teams could be easily outweighed by some quality wins but I don't see it. Who have they beaten that makes them T25 worthy? I don't see having enough quality wins to justify Top 25 status but that's just me.

Who has St. Norbert beaten?
Who has Whitworth beaten?
What about Illinois Welsyan? -- one win over Wash U. that's it, but even Carthage did that and they're not ranked!
What about Wash U? They lost to 2 of their 3 CCIW opponents, and sure, they're undefeated in the UAA, but no one else in the UAA is even ranked!

As far as I can tell, only about four teams deserve to be in the Top 25.

I didn't rank hope in my Top 25 but I certainly would call them frauds since they were ranked. In a universe of over 400 teams there's a wafer thin line between 25 and 26, or even between 25 and 30.

[Greek Tragedy]

None of those teams have 6 losses.   

Part of his argument is the quantity of losses, not the quality. I don't agree with this, mind you.

[NEHoopsFan99]

I just think there are more worthy teams

[Greek Tragedy]

I just think there are more worthy teams

Who and why? Just for argument's sake.

[Just Bill]

This Hope game in particular gives me pause, when I think about their credentials...

http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/boxscores/20140104_z46o.xml?view=plays

That's the 7th place team from the NACC, which is far, far from a power conference, going on the road and being tied with Hope with 3 minutes to play. A few made free throws for Edgewood down the stretch and that's a damaging loss.

Yes, they won, but that's not exactly a banner-waving win.

[sac]

This Hope game in particular gives me pause, when I think about their credentials...

http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/boxscores/20140104_z46o.xml?view=plays

That's the 7th place team from the NACC, which is far, far from a power conference, going on the road and being tied with Hope with 3 minutes to play. A few made free throws for Edgewood down the stretch and that's a damaging loss.

Yes, they won, but that's not exactly a banner-waving win.

Edgewood just knocked off MSOE this past weekend in their tournament, evidently they are capable of beating pretty good teams.   

[smedindy]

Team X playing Team Y won but didn't won by as much as I thought they should so reasons and stuff and things....

MOV is included in the independent Massey ratings so that's already taken that close win into consideration.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Finally posted my ballot... enjoy if you must... www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2014/02/25/daves-top-25-ballot-week-12-2/

[Greek Tragedy]

This Hope game in particular gives me pause, when I think about their credentials...

http://athletics.hope.edu/sports/mbkb/2013-14/boxscores/20140104_z46o.xml?view=plays

That's the 7th place team from the NACC, which is far, far from a power conference, going on the road and being tied with Hope with 3 minutes to play. A few made free throws for Edgewood down the stretch and that's a damaging loss.

Yes, they won, but that's not exactly a banner-waving win.

Edgewood just knocked off MSOE this past weekend in their tournament, evidently they are capable of beating pretty good teams.

They split with them during the regular season. Not a complete shock, though it was a 2 vs 7 game.