Top 25 talk

[WUPHF]

And I don't say that as a CCIW partisan, because it certainly wouldn't break my heart if Grey Giovanine never had a chance to cut down the nets in Salem.

+1

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat, when can we expect to see the pre-season poll?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat, when can we expect to see the pre-season poll?

BTW, this is not to complain you are tardy or anything.  Official practice doesn't even start for two more days, so we can't even know of unexpected (non-graduating-senior) losses until then; then I suppose you need a couple of weeks to call top 50 coaches to write up your 'cheat-sheets' for the voters.  About Nov. 1st?

[Pat Coleman]

We do have the requests out to schools. Deadline is later this week, then it'll take me a couple days to go through and format the info and send it to voters, so I would say middle of next week.

[madzillagd]

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/10/defending-champs-return-to-top-spot

It's out.  Apparently not everybody got the memo on what Williams lost.  #25 would have been generous and a nice nod to last year's effort but #5 is pretty ridiculous at this point. 

[sac]

I count 60 teams receiving votes, 10 more than last years pre-season poll.

[Pat Coleman]

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2014/10/defending-champs-return-to-top-spot

It's out.  Apparently not everybody got the memo on what Williams lost.  #25 would have been generous and a nice nod to last year's effort but #5 is pretty ridiculous at this point.

We sent the memo to everyone but the challenge as a voter is to determine who in the heck to put above them and there is no consensus. You can look at the vote total drops -- 88 points to No. 2 alone, to see where people think there are gaps.

[Pat Coleman]

Good demonstration here.

Votes for Williams by place in the poll: 0   3   1   4   5   0   0   2   0   2   1   0   0   3   0   2   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0 (one voter left Williams off entirely)

[Greek Tragedy]

Pretty shocked to see Point #7.

[mailsy]

Cabrini at 20. They only play the number 10, 11, 12, 14 and 21st ranked teams as part of their OOC games. Wow!! Four of their first 6 games against ranked teams. It certainly might give us an idea of how this team will do this year.

[Pat Coleman]

Agreed on that, too. But would Albertus be better?

[AndOne]

And I don't say that as a CCIW partisan, because it certainly wouldn't break my heart if Grey Giovanine never had a chance to cut down the nets in Salem.

+1

The entire CCIW feels exactly the same way. If you took a poll of CCIW fans, especially those who regularly post on D3Hoops and who are, in my opinion, the most knowledgable about the goings on within the conference, Coach G would win the Most Disliked Poll by a wide margin. And, I think a vote among his fellow coaches would yield the same result.

He may be the nicest guy in Rock Island off the court, and anyone who says he isn't a great tactical coach just plain doesn't know basketball. However his on court antics/rants are legendary, especially including his stomp, stomp, stomp dance, running wave-off dance, and his famous world record coat toss routine.

As far as Augie's pre-season ranking, I think the voters nailed that one.

[D3HoopJunkie]

Pat, not to sound like a homer cause Lord knows I am but when you say would Albertus be better? My answer is yes. Believe me I am more than happy and excited for this team as pre-season 8th. I think it is a justifiable ranking but when you look at what Albertus returned and what teams like Williams and Point lost is it really that "crazy" to place Albertus ahead of them? Certainly the reputation of these 2 teams precedes them but if we are looking at it from the perspective of what talent and depth teams returned from last years rosters which is what I believe "pre-season" should be ranked on I really feel that Albertus could have been placed ahead of these 2 programs.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

As a voter, I can tell you this... this was the biggest clusterf--- of a pre-season vote I have ever tried to figure out. I actually asked for permission to start at #10 - and was justifiably laughed at . There just isn't any good answers this year... way to many questions from #1 on down. Usually I pride myself in having a ballot that is relatively close, though pre-season can be slightly off, to the overall poll... my ballot this year doesn't even look like the final ballot. I will probably put mine together and place it online (though, I don't have any real insight on this one)... so you can compare.

[WUPHF]

There just isn't any good answers this year... way to many questions from #1 on down.

It is always interesting hearing voter perspective since I do not have the time to follow the other conferences, let alone the UAA, but I figured this was the case when I read the list and noticed Washington University in the Top 10 and Emory in the Top 25.