Top 25 talk

[wooscotsfan]

Final: #10 Wooster 80  Mount Union 73

Wooster gets a solid win over a Mount Union team picked to win the OAC conference this season.

[wooscotsfan]

Final: #10 Wooster 91  St. Vincent 53

Wooster overwhelms the team picked to win the PAC this season.  Wooster was led by Dan Fanelly with 25 points, 10 boards and Xavier Brown with 21 points.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Went to the Hoopsville Tournament today.  Lots to see.  I was very impressed with WPI, Gwynedd Mercy, and Wittenberg.  Chicago was solid, but I expected more from the UAA preseason favorite.  Macon and Cabrini were as I expected.

WPI and Chicago were both good squads, but without much Senior contribution, they'll be much better next year.  Likewise, Wittenberg is very, very young.  They lost by 21, but they were right in the game the whole first half.  Loads of confidence and athleticism.

Gwynedd Mercy and Cabrini look very much alike; their matchups this year will be fun.  Cabrini has Aaron Walton Moss, but a load of young athletic players who have already jumped into the Cabrini style.  They'll be dangerous.

Macon was the most impressive - probably the team I would have ranked highest coming in.  Senior leadership, but also playing a freshman at PG for most of the game (pretty effectively).  Deep bench and lots of size.  I'll be interested to see how they fair in the ODAC.  Consistency will be a big focus for them this year.

Purchase doesn't have Neri - out for the year-  so they're mediocre at best.  Mary Hardin-Baylor just seems undermanned right now.  Sloppy and loose, lacking confidence.  They're the only two teams I wouldn't put in consideration for the rankings.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Great seeing you at the event, again, Hoops Fan. Sorry I couldn't chat more... but nice to chat when I could.

Neri isn't the only person Purchase lost... they have seven players (apparently) out with injury. They are completely out of sorts and Coach Charney won't mince words about that. However, dealing with this early will only make them better. Look for them to still battle for the Skyline title and make the NCAA tournament accordingly. As for Neri, I hope he considers returning for a fifth year. There were nine NBA scouts planning to make the trip to the Hoopsville Classic to see him play against Cabrini and Aaron Walton-Moss.

[sac]

Went to the Hoopsville Tournament today.  Lots to see. I was very impressed with WPI, Gwynedd Mercy, and Wittenberg.  Chicago was solid, but I expected more from the UAA preseason favorite.  Macon and Cabrini were as I expected.

WPI and Chicago were both good squads, but without much Senior contribution, they'll be much better next year. Likewise, Wittenberg is very, very young.  They lost by 21, but they were right in the game the whole first half.  Loads of confidence and athleticism.

Oberlin 65 Witt 63
Capital 63 Witt 46
Stevenson 75  Witt 65
Randolph-Macon 70 Witt 49

This is Witt's first 0-4 start since 1955.  There were probably players on that team who shot FT's underhanded.

[Darryl Nester]

Don't know if a new poll is coming tomorrow, but I needed to test my program anyway.  This is complete except for two games: Cabrini/WPI and Catholic @ SUNY-Purchase.

How They Fared

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	Record	Results
#1	614	UW-Whitewater	3-1	LOST to Cardinal Stritch, 66-71; won at #35 Hope, 82-80; def. Bluffton, 67-46; def. Trinity Int'l, 95-72
#2	526	Amherst	3-0	won at Anna Maria, 74-67; def. Johnson State, 108-60; def. Mount Ida, 100-72
#3	495	Augustana	4-0	def. Albion, 51-47; won at T#57 Mount St. Joseph, 71-57; won at Thomas More, 91-61; def. Rust, 91-69
#4	475	Illinois Wesleyan	2-1	LOST at Benedictine, 60-61; won at Buena Vista, 76-63; won at Illinois College, 89-64
#5	436	Williams	2-2	LOST to Southern Vermont, 68-75; LOST to Oneonta State, 68-74; def. Johnson State, 94-59; won at Wesleyan, 85-77
#6	415	Calvin	2-1	def. Anderson, 108-98; def. Waynesburg, 89-71; LOST to Ohio Wesleyan, 71-85
#7	393	UW-Stevens Point	2-1	def. St. John's, 70-59; LOST at #37 St. Olaf, 69-70; won at #35 Hope, 77-66
#8	350	Albertus Magnus	2-1	def. Lyndon State, 110-82; LOST at #33 Richard Stockton, 75-84; def. Mitchell, 119-88
#9	322	Washington U.	4-0	won at Rhodes, 85-71; won at Hendrix, 75-68; def. UW-Eau Claire, 72-61; won at #18 Wheaton (Ill.), 73-69
#10	309	Wooster	3-0	def. #20 Cabrini, 97-80; def. Mount Union, 80-73; def. St. Vincent, 91-53
#11	303	Randolph-Macon	3-1	won at #30 Mary Washington, 63-58; LOST at #24 Christopher Newport, 70-71; def. Mary Hardin-Baylor, 66-62; won at #45 Wittenberg, 70-49
#12	280	WPI	3-1	def. RPI, 66-55; def. Curry, 67-54; won at #39 Chicago, 81-79; LOST to #20 Cabrini, 61-68
#13	270	St. Thomas	3-0	def. UW-Eau Claire, 78-74; won at #32 Whitman, 96-86; won at #17 Whitworth, 90-69
#14	263	Dickinson	3-0	def. Valley Forge, 90-59; won at Salisbury, 87-70; won at Haverford, 75-57
#15	253	Emory	2-0	def. Oglethorpe, 104-77; def. Guilford, 77-75
#16	246	MIT	1-0	won at Gordon, 64-51
#17	232	Whitworth	1-2	def. D'Youville, 103-49; LOST to Rutgers-Newark, 72-74; LOST to #13 St. Thomas, 69-90
#18	222	Wheaton (Ill.)	2-2	def. Franklin, 80-66; LOST at Defiance, 65-67; def. Olivet, 94-67; LOST to #9 Washington U., 69-73
#19	218	Virginia Wesleyan	3-0	def. TCNJ, 91-60; def. Apprentice School, 87-68; def. Salisbury, 79-65
#20	164	Cabrini	3-1	LOST at #10 Wooster, 80-97; def. Eastern, 91-85; def. SUNY-Purchase, 90-65; def. #12 WPI, 68-61
#21	146	Scranton	3-1	def. Centenary (N.J.), 69-54; def. Alvernia, 57-54; LOST at Misericordia, 44-49; won at Elizabethtown, 65-54
#22	98	Texas-Dallas	3-0	def. Texas Lutheran, 92-77; won at MacMurray, 86-81; won at Webster, 69-48
#23	90	Babson	3-1	def. Salve Regina, 91-69; LOST to Bates, 51-54; def. Lasell, 87-65; won at Skidmore, 75-74
#24	83	Christopher Newport	2-1	def. #11 Randolph-Macon, 71-70; won at Washington and Lee, 64-53; LOST at Lynchburg, 66-90
#25	81	Centre	3-0	won at Maryville (Tenn.), 73-62; def. Transylvania, 74-72; def. Franklin, 74-60

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	Record	Results
#26	74	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	3-1	LOST to Ohio Northern, 67-71; won at Illinois Tech, 81-38; def. San Diego Christian, 69-53; def. Trinity (Texas), 64-54
T#27	73	Chapman	2-0	won at West Coast Baptist, 78-52; def. St. Katherine, 86-52
T#27	73	Wesley	1-2	LOST to Ramapo, 62-69; LOST at Gwynedd-Mercy, 70-85; def. Washington College, 67-34
#29	67	DePauw	3-0	won at Franklin, 79-60; won at Anderson, 71-52; won at Otterbein, 54-42
#30	64	Mary Washington	0-4	LOST to Lynchburg, 55-73; LOST to #11 Randolph-Macon, 58-63; LOST at Shenandoah, 61-69; LOST to Hampden-Sydney, 57-58
#31	62	St. Norbert	3-0	won at UW-Oshkosh, 67-50; def. North Park, 76-65; def. Monmouth, 75-47
#32	52	Whitman	2-1	def. D'Youville, 129-88; LOST to #13 St. Thomas, 86-96; def. Rutgers-Newark, 89-62
#33	48	Richard Stockton	5-0	def. Wilkes, 76-75; def. #8 Albertus Magnus, 84-75; def. Farmingdale State, 76-47; won at Stevens, 73-49; won at Misericordia, 67-64
#34	47	Springfield	4-0	def. SUNY-Cobleskill, 59-41; won at Vassar, 82-44; won at Western New England, 90-77; def. Elms, 62-56
#35	38	Hope	0-2	LOST to #1 UW-Whitewater, 80-82; LOST to #7 UW-Stevens Point, 66-77
#36	37	Eastern Connecticut	4-1	def. Newbury, 78-50; def. Colby, 74-53; def. Nichols, 80-56; LOST at Hartwick, 71-74; won at Oneonta State, 101-78
#37	31	St. Olaf	2-0	won at Bethany Lutheran, 102-70; def. #7 UW-Stevens Point, 70-69
#38	28	Hobart	1-0	won at Ithaca, 84-66
#39	19	Chicago	3-1	won at Lake Forest, 75-68; won at Dominican, 70-48; LOST to #12 WPI, 79-81; won at T#51 Stevenson, 73-71
#40	18	Brockport State	1-2	LOST to #46 Rhode Island College, 62-72; LOST at Roanoke, 61-83; def. St. Lawrence, 66-63
#41	16	Geneseo State	1-1	LOST to Wilmington, 81-83; won at Rose-Hulman, 73-57
#42	12	New Jersey City	2-2	def. Bridgewater State, 85-84; LOST at Franklin and Marshall, 57-63; LOST to Brooklyn, 73-88; def. Kean, 64-45
T#43	11	Bowdoin	3-0	won at Elms, 77-57; won at Westfield State, 68-56; won at St. Joseph's (Maine), 75-69
T#43	11	Plattsburgh State	2-1	won at Elizabethtown, 74-59; won at Lycoming, 78-64; LOST at Western Connecticut, 84-89
#45	10	Wittenberg	0-4	LOST at Oberlin, 63-65; LOST at Capital, 46-63; LOST at T#51 Stevenson, 65-75; LOST to #11 Randolph-Macon, 49-70
#46	8	Rhode Island College	3-1	won at #40 Brockport State, 72-62; LOST at Marymount, 59-67; won at Lasell, 75-57; def. T#57 Brandeis, 66-60
#47	7	Staten Island	1-2	LOST at Salem State, 66-74; won at Mass-Dartmouth, 71-65; LOST at Ramapo, 78-82
T#48	6	New York U.	2-2	def. John Jay, 80-51; LOST to Union, 62-64; LOST to Sage, 65-68; won at Manhattanville, 89-63
T#48	6	York (N.Y.)	1-1	LOST to McDaniel, 65-69; won at Penn State-Harrisburg, 69-61
#50	5	Widener	4-1	def. Penn State Lehigh Valley, 97-74; LOST to Misericordia, 53-62; def. Immaculata, 58-50; def. FDU-Florham, 75-49; won at Muhlenberg, 68-65
T#51	3	Morrisville State	1-2	LOST at Potsdam State, 61-64; LOST at Clarkson, 45-64; won at Vaughn, 87-78
T#51	3	Stevenson	3-1	def. Covenant, 77-55; def. Cairn, 68-56; def. #45 Wittenberg, 75-65; LOST to #39 Chicago, 71-73
T#53	2	Carthage	1-2	def. North Central (Minn.), 85-73; LOST to St. Francis (IL), 57-70; LOST to UW-La Crosse, 67-80
T#53	2	Tufts	2-2	LOST at Johnson and Wales, 52-74; LOST at Regis (Mass.), 59-71; def. Emerson, 70-49; won at Wentworth, 58-51
T#53	2	Dallas	0-0	IDLE
T#53	2	Grinnell	1-2	LOST at George Fox, 114-124; def. Blackburn, 136-112; LOST at Beloit, 109-118
T#57	1	Johns Hopkins	3-1	won at Lebanon Valley, 75-70; won at Keuka, 71-55; LOST to Alvernia, 59-63; won at Ursinus, 76-56
T#57	1	Purchase State	0-5	LOST at Colby, 70-73; LOST at Newbury, 68-72; LOST at Manhattanville, 65-70; LOST at #20 Cabrini, 65-90; LOST to Catholic, 62-69
T#57	1	Brandeis	0-2	LOST to Mass-Dartmouth, 76-78; LOST at #46 Rhode Island College, 60-66
T#57	1	Mount St. Joseph	2-1	def. Berry, 87-72; LOST to #3 Augustana, 57-71; won at Wilmington, 82-68

[magicman]

Glad to see you back Darryl. Plus K.

[Greek Tragedy]

Next week for poll. Nice work!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Next week for poll. Nice work!

I'm pretty sure there's a poll coming out tomorrow.

[Darryl Nester]

[EDIT] Oops -- never mind.  I see that there is a "University of Dallas" in addition to "Texas-Dallas."  My apologies to their fans.

The correct information for the University of Dallas is:

Rank	Pts	Team	Record	Results
T#53	2	Dallas	4-0	def. UC Santa Cruz, 64-57; def. Redlands 75-73; def. Howard Payne, 71-56; def. Sul Ross State, 79-76

How They Fared

Rank	Pts	Team	Record	Results
...
#22	98	Texas-Dallas	3-0	def. Texas Lutheran, 92-77; won at MacMurray, 86-81; won at Webster, 69-48
...
T#53	2	Dallas	0-0	IDLE

Oops -- I guess I was not paying attention to all of the messages my program was spitting out last night, or I might have noticed that UT-Dallas is apparently listed twice in the Preseason Top 25: once as "#22 Texas-Dallas" and once toward the end of the "Others Receiving votes" list as "Dallas."  (They weren't idle; my program simply could not access any information about them.)

TALOK ABOUT PEOPLE INJ TECNOLY INDUSTRY DROPPIONG TGHE BALL;

[Greek Tragedy]

Next week for poll. Nice work!

I'm pretty sure there's a poll coming out tomorrow.

OK. I guess that would be 2 weeks then.

[Gregory Sager]

TALOK ABOUT PEOPLE INJ TECNOLY INDUSTRY DROPPIONG TGHE BALL;

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Went to the Hoopsville Tournament today.  Lots to see. I was very impressed with WPI, Gwynedd Mercy, and Wittenberg.  Chicago was solid, but I expected more from the UAA preseason favorite.  Macon and Cabrini were as I expected.

WPI and Chicago were both good squads, but without much Senior contribution, they'll be much better next year. Likewise, Wittenberg is very, very young.  They lost by 21, but they were right in the game the whole first half.  Loads of confidence and athleticism.

Oberlin 65 Witt 63
Capital 63 Witt 46
Stevenson 75  Witt 65
Randolph-Macon 70 Witt 49

This is Witt's first 0-4 start since 1955.  There were probably players on that team who shot FT's underhanded.

To be fair, that's one of the tougher opening stretches in the country.  They're going to have more than their share of rough patches this year, but there are only two seniors on the roster.  They play good minutes and leadership roles, but neither of them is irreplaceable.  One of the things that stands out is when young players come out of the gate believing they belong on the court.  Witt was full of them.  It was fun to watch the dueling freshman #5s on the floor for Witt and Macon.  The early results had me expecting nothing from Witt and they way over-delivered.

And, for what it's worth, we might see FT percentages improve if more people were willing to shoot them underhanded today.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Tried to watch a little tonight to see EConn and MIT - both games were blowouts, but I noticed MIT has 5 of its top 6 guys at 6'6" or taller.  They seem to be playing only 6 again this time around (as they did famously in their recent deep run).  We'll see how it goes, but it's got to be a little intimidating to some teams.

For comparison, both WPI and Chicago had entire starting fives shorter than 6'6"

[Mr. Ypsi]

Went to the Hoopsville Tournament today.  Lots to see. I was very impressed with WPI, Gwynedd Mercy, and Wittenberg.  Chicago was solid, but I expected more from the UAA preseason favorite.  Macon and Cabrini were as I expected.

WPI and Chicago were both good squads, but without much Senior contribution, they'll be much better next year. Likewise, Wittenberg is very, very young.  They lost by 21, but they were right in the game the whole first half.  Loads of confidence and athleticism.

Oberlin 65 Witt 63
Capital 63 Witt 46
Stevenson 75  Witt 65
Randolph-Macon 70 Witt 49

This is Witt's first 0-4 start since 1955.  There were probably players on that team who shot FT's underhanded.

To be fair, that's one of the tougher opening stretches in the country.  They're going to have more than their share of rough patches this year, but there are only two seniors on the roster.  They play good minutes and leadership roles, but neither of them is irreplaceable.  One of the things that stands out is when young players come out of the gate believing they belong on the court.  Witt was full of them.  It was fun to watch the dueling freshman #5s on the floor for Witt and Macon.  The early results had me expecting nothing from Witt and they way over-delivered.

And, for what it's worth, we might see FT percentages improve if more people were willing to shoot them underhanded today.

True, dat - but that's how girls shoot free throws!

And I can recall several players who might have done better if they did hook shots from the line (MUCH higher percentage than when they faced the basket from the field), but might drive the coach to drink!