Top 25 talk

[David Collinge]

So, when does the new Top 25 come out? 

Sac, +1 for "jibe."

[wooscotsfan]

So, when does the new Top 25 come out? 

You mean the poll where Wooster can notch 4 more wins including beating Hope, which has the #2 SOS in the nation according to Massey, and Wooster doesn't even move one spot in the poll???

I guess "quality wins" don't count for much in this poll. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yeah, but Wooster gained 49 points in what was a very fluid poll. That's moving up on a lot of ballots... it just didn't add up for a move up the overall ballot. #SeeTheWholePicture

[smedindy]

When does Nate Silver weigh in on this poll?

[Greek Tragedy]

Husson enters the Top 25 and proceeds to lose to Colby on the road.

[iwumichigander]

So, when does the new Top 25 come out? 

You mean the poll where Wooster can notch 4 more wins including beating Hope, which has the #2 SOS in the nation according to Massey, and Wooster doesn't even move one spot in the poll???

I guess "quality wins" don't count for much in this poll. 

well, Dave has plenty of time to evaluate (prior to tonight) the other six of seven undefeated teams that did not make the Top 25😦😡

[D3HoopJunkie]

Pat or Dave,

What going on with the Around the Region Columns this year? I'm sure the reporters are busy and all but there just hasn't been as many columns this year as opposed to years past??? I really enjoy reading the "feel good" stories on teams from all around the country. Not to mention I don't think there has been 1 posted by the Northeast columnist yet?? There are certainly enough story lines going on in D3Hoops this year....No??

Not sure if this is the best spot to post this but didn't really see fit anywhere else just figured it was the most active spot recently. Perhaps a thread could be started for Around The Region where all of us posters can present topics on interesting stories if we hear of any? Just a thought

[Pat Coleman]

Pat or Dave,

What going on with the Around the Region Columns this year? I'm sure the reporters are busy and all but there just hasn't been as many columns this year as opposed to years past??? I really enjoy reading the "feel good" stories on teams from all around the country. Not to mention I don't think there has been 1 posted by the Northeast columnist yet?? There are certainly enough story lines going on in D3Hoops this year....No??

Not sure if this is the best spot to post this but didn't really see fit anywhere else just figured it was the most active spot recently. Perhaps a thread could be started for Around The Region where all of us posters can present topics on interesting stories if we hear of any? Just a thought

Around the East-Northeast has posted five columns this season:
http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/east-northeast/index

Everyone is filing on a regular basis -- it's only Atlantic/Mid-Atlantic where I am looking to still hire someone, after promoting Rob Knox to write Around the Nation.

[D3HoopJunkie]

Apologies Pat, I must have been looking in the wrong place on the website.

Thanks

[Pat Coleman]

We generally start a little slow because traffic is lower before the holidays and some of our writers also write (and I also edit) for D3football.com so it's a matter of priority, but we have been running them throughout.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Drove down the road a bit to see Dickinson play at Washington College tonight.  I was excited to see All-American Gerry Wixted play in person for the first time - then he didn't play a minute.  I asked a guy in a Dickinson hat after the game, he said, "Word is he punched someone in practice."  So there's that.

Even Wixted-less, this is a very, very good team - as good, if not better, than any I've seen so far this year.  They'll need to improve their defense and it's tough to judge intensity when you're playing a clearly inferior team, but, despite the score, they were solidly in control whenever they wanted to be.  A lot of height, although the bigs are a little thin, especially compared to typical Midwest front lines.  They've got talented, confident players at every position and a young, but definitely exciting bench.  Senior leadership, solid PG play - oh yeah, and an All-American power forward sitting on the bench.

Definitely some flaws - the team's a bit streaky (or at least they were tonight), prone to lapses in concentration and discipline, the aforementioned defense, which could be tighter.  They also have only one shoot (he's confident, has a quick trigger, and is capable of getting his own shot), so a tight zone can really push them out of their offense - which is all penetration and ball movement.

In a season where no team gives you complete confidence, I think they're well placed in the Top Five and I wouldn't feel bad about voting them #1 if the teams above them struggle at some point.

[Darryl Nester]

How They Fared (So Far)

Top 25

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#1	622	Washington U.	11-0	01/10 at #34 Chicago
#2	598	Augustana	12-1	def. #28 Elmhurst, 58-56; 01/10 vs. North Park
#3	560	UW-Whitewater	11-2	def. UW-Superior, 88-57; 01/10 vs. UW-Stout
#4	526	Dickinson	11-1	won at Washington College, 88-81; 01/10 vs. Ursinus
#5	511	St. Thomas	10-1	def. Macalester, 96-45; 01/10 vs. Concordia-Moorhead
#6	504	Emory	10-1	01/10 at Rochester
#7	430	WPI	11-1	def. Springfield, 73-53; 01/10 at MIT
#8	426	Virginia Wesleyan	10-2	won at #37 Lynchburg, 83-82; 01/10 vs. Washington and Lee
#9	367	Marietta	12-0	01/10 at Ohio Northern
#10	354	North Central (Ill.)	12-1	won at Millikin, 62-46; 01/10 at Wheaton (Ill.)
#11	322	Franklin and Marshall	12-0	won at Swarthmore, 83-65; 01/10 vs. Washington College
#12	321	Richard Stockton	12-1	won at New Jersey City, 58-56; 01/10 vs. Ramapo
#13	301	Albertus Magnus	9-1	won at Rivier, 87-68; 01/08 at Norwich; 01/10 vs. St. Joseph's (Maine)
#14	289	Wooster	10-2	def. Kenyon, 77-63; 01/10 vs. Oberlin
#15	275	Babson	11-1	won at Emerson, 67-43; 01/10 at Springfield
#16	208	Randolph-Macon	10-2	def. Bridgewater (Va.), 63-45; 01/10 vs. Guilford
#17	202	Ohio Wesleyan	10-2	def. Wittenberg, 75-63; 01/10 vs. Allegheny
#18	190	Amherst	8-2	won at #21 Eastern Connecticut, 59-51; 01/09 at Hamilton; 01/10 at #38 Williams
#19	121	UW-Stevens Point	10-3	def. UW-Platteville, 74-55; 01/10 at UW-Oshkosh
#20	107	St. Norbert	11-1	won at Lawrence, 81-72
#21	105	Eastern Connecticut	10-3	LOST to #18 Amherst, 51-59; 01/10 at Mass-Boston
#22	102	Illinois Wesleyan	9-4	won at Wheaton (Ill.), 77-68; 01/10 vs. Carthage
#23	98	Husson	8-2	LOST at Colby, 94-99; 01/10 vs. Maine Maritime
#24	88	Scranton	10-2	def. Drew, 73-69; 01/08 at Susquehanna; 01/10 vs. Goucher
#25	79	Centre	9-2	01/09 vs. Birmingham-Southern; 01/11 vs. Millsaps

Others receiving votes

Rank	Pts	Team	W-L	Results
#26	76	Chapman	11-0	won at Occidental, 99-68; 01/10 vs. #29 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
#27	60	St. Olaf	10-1	won at St. Mary's (Minn.), 81-50; 01/10 vs. Hamline
#28	41	Elmhurst	11-2	LOST at #2 Augustana, 56-58; 01/10 at Millikin
#29	40	Claremont-Mudd-Scripps	8-2	01/08 at Caltech; 01/10 at #26 Chapman
#30	39	Cortland State	8-1	LOST to New Paltz State, 73-78; 01/09 vs. Oswego State
#31	35	Middlebury	9-0	won at Plattsburgh State, 63-53; 01/09 at #36 Bates; 01/11 at Tufts
#32	24	Hampden-Sydney	10-2	def. Randolph, 59-57; 01/10 at Bridgewater (Va.)
#33	17	Dubuque	11-1	def. Central, 79-63; 01/10 vs. Wartburg
#34	13	Chicago	8-3	01/10 vs. #1 Washington U.
#35	12	Hardin-Simmons	10-1	01/08 vs. LeTourneau; 01/10 vs. East Texas Baptist
#36	11	Bates	9-2	def. Brandeis, 60-55; 01/09 vs. #31 Middlebury
#37	8	Lynchburg	8-4	LOST to #8 Virginia Wesleyan, 82-83; 01/10 at Eastern Mennonite
#38	6	Williams	9-3	01/09 vs. T#44 Trinity (Conn.); 01/10 vs. #18 Amherst
#39	5	Hope	7-5	LOST at Trine, 62-65; 01/10 vs. Calvin
T#40	3	Rowan	11-1	def. Montclair State, 66-53; 01/10 at Kean
T#40	3	Western Connecticut	8-2	LOST to Mitchell, 92-95; 01/08 at Mass-Dartmouth; 01/10 vs. Plymouth State
T#42	2	Johns Hopkins	10-2	won at Haverford, 80-78; 01/10 vs. Swarthmore
T#42	2	William Paterson	10-2	def. Kean, 68-58; 01/10 at Rutgers-Newark
T#44	1	Cal Lutheran	8-2	def. Redlands, 71-56; 01/10 at Pomona-Pitzer
T#44	1	Christopher Newport	9-3	won at Wesley, 75-62; 01/10 vs. Penn State-Harrisburg
T#44	1	Trinity (Conn.)	10-2	won at Manhattanville, 75-60; 01/09 at #38 Williams; 01/10 at Hamilton

[HOPEful]

A bunch of losses by the highly debated 20+ teams... (Obviously, Hope won't be moving up :/)

Winner of Chapman v. Claremont Mudd Scripts on Saturday has to be moving into the top 25, no? Maybe replacing Husson? Or E. Connecticut?

[sac]

A bunch of losses by the highly debated 20+ teams... (Obviously, Hope won't be moving up :/)

Winner of Chapman v. Claremont Mudd Scripts on Saturday has to be moving into the top 25, no? Maybe replacing Husson? Or E. Connecticut?

Probably Elmhurst because they proved they can play with Augustana, but not Albion because losing by two to Augustana proves Augustana might not be good.  

[Pat Coleman]

A bunch of losses by the highly debated 20+ teams... (Obviously, Hope won't be moving up :/)

Winner of Chapman v. Claremont Mudd Scripts on Saturday has to be moving into the top 25, no? Maybe replacing Husson? Or E. Connecticut?

Chapman has played a lot of those west coast schools that are just schedule filler. The records listed below are records vs. D3 opponents.

Chapman (11-0)
Nov. 19   7:30 PM   at West Coast Baptist (1-3)   W, 78-52
Nov. 22   7:30 PM   St. Katherine (0-2)   W, 86-52
Nov. 28   1:00 PM   at UC Santa Cruz (7-10) •   W, 68-37
Nov. 29   1:00 PM   Whitman (8-4) @ Santa Cruz, Calif. •   W, 72-67
Dec. 5   7:30 PM   Bristol (0-2)   W, 85-65
Dec. 13   7:30 PM   La Sierra (0-3)   W, 89-72
Dec. 22   7:30 PM   at La Sierra (0-3)   W, 81-58
Dec. 29   4:30 PM   Oberlin (6-6) •   W, 72-50
Dec. 30   4:30 PM   St. Joseph's (Bklyn.) (8-4) •   W, 75-68 OT
Jan. 3   7:00 PM   at Whittier (7-4) * •   W, 82-68
Jan. 6   7:30 PM   at Occidental (5-4) * •   W, 99-68
Jan. 10   4:00 PM   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (8-2) * •   
Losses: